Chicago Sun-Times: Keyes v. Obama is like Good v. Evil, say Repubs

[iconoclastic cat]

From the http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-sen09.html">Chicago Sun-Times:

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In fact, Republican Jim Oberweis, who flanked Keyes onstage along with other GOP candidates who lost in the primary to Ryan, called the race with Obama no less than "a debate between good on the right and evil on the left."
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Have they lost yet? Losers.

[qanda]

1. I've been hearing a lot of that talk

Good and evil-- it's very scarey to me.

[murielm99]

4. Don't worry. They are whistling in the dark.

We Illinois people are not stupid enough to fall for that.

We have our wingnuts, but Obama's supporters outnumber them.

[Nickster]

7. Amen to that! n/t

[Fovea]

2. Yeah, there is the twisted face of compassionate conservatism

Like the Eisenstat picture of Goebbles in blackface.

[buycitgo]

10. whoaaaaa

never seen that one

hope I can google it

[Fovea]

20. Goebbles is not in blackface,

I meant that it is a picture like that of Goebbles, only in blackface.

The picture of Goebbles in a chair being dictatorial and malign is very famous.

[benburch]

3. What bits of excement these GOPers are!

Damn.

How can you call a fine man like Obama evil?

Says a lot more about them than it does about him if you ask me!

[wndycty]

5. They seek to divide us. . .

:kick:

[The Magistrate]

6. Keyes Will Not Get Thirty Percent Of The Vote

This will cost the Republicans seats in Congress, and in the state legislature....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[aldian159]

9. No doubt

Good point, Magistrate

[buycitgo]

17. did you see the trib poll today?

it's here

he's getting less than twenty percent on the TRIB!!!!

hadehodehodeHAH

[benburch]

21. Nope...

You are totally correct.

Most white Illinois Republicans are either overt or closet racists, and will never vote for a black man under any circumstances.

[The Magistrate]

24. And To Make It Worse, Mr. Burch

Sen. Obama is the paler of the two...what is a bigot to do?

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Walt Starr]

27. The bigots may go with Jerry Kohn

He's the pro-life Libertarian.

[The Magistrate]

29. Perhaps He Will Edge Out Keyes, Sir

Big fun for all, eh?

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Walt Starr]

31. My fondest desire is for Keyes to come in third

IF not that, I'll settle for him getting less than 29% of the vote, which was his worst showing in a Senate race. That's what he got against Mikulski in 1992.

[nickinSTL]

37. pro-life Libertarian?

BS. You can't be both a Libertarian and pro-life, at least in the sense of wanting the government to put it's nose into the decision between a woman and her doctor. Runs completely counter to the Libertarian philosophy.

[Walt Starr]

Wanna bet?

He's the Libertarian candidate:

http://www.kohn2004.org/abortion.shtml

[nickinSTL]

51. just because`

the Libertarians are supporting the idiot doesn't mean his position ISN'T contrary to the SUPPOSED Libertarian agenda.

If they're supporting him, and particularly if they DO support the pro-life position, then they are just another branch of theo-fascists.

[Walt Starr]

43. Wanna bet?

He's the Libertarian candidate:

http://www.kohn2004.org/abortion.shtml

[benburch]

46. How the hell...

can a Libertarian be pro-Life??? It used to be that the nright to privacy was part of the platform???

[Walt Starr]

26. The GOP doesn't have the state legislature

The State Senate is currently 32 Democrats, 26 Republicans and 1 independent.

The State General Assembly is currently 66 Democrats and 52 Republicans.

Unfortunately, not many seats are in jeopardy, however, you are correct that overall they will end up losing seats after this. It'll just take a few election cycles.

The only state wide office held by a Republican is the State Treasurer, Judy Baar Topinka, who was bearing much of the blame in the current debacle. She tried to win this battle, and lost.

Unfortunately for the conservatives, whomsoever won the battle to get their candidate in this spot will ultimately LOSE the Civil War raging in the Illinois GOP.

The conservative movement in the IL GOP will be pronounced dead after the polls close on November 2nd.

[The Magistrate]

30. They May Still Lose A Couple, Sir

There will be lot on the other side who will simply stay at home in disgust, and not many on our side who will. There will be surprises....

"It's a strange world, and the longer you're in it the stranger it gets."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[buycitgo]

8. I heard them talking about that last night

WLS had two maniacs on

while discussing that, they said that, while Obama himself is not evil, the policies that he espouses ARE evil

draw your own inferences

they couldn't have been more obvious

these people are SO delusional

[DaveSZ]

11. I notice

I notice the far right is aligning itself more and more with fundamentalism in the last 20 years.

[Zynx]

12. Good Lord! What a nutcase!

[Feanorcurufinwe]

13. Dueling messages

Obama message: let's unite America to solve our problems

Keyes message: my opponent is evil




Which message will resonate with the voters? lol

[Southsideirish]

14. I thought I knew who Keyes was - he's much worse! Already he's

come out with with the name calling and throwing insults around to Obama. I don't think that's going to work here. He's on to all the usual wedge issues, flag, faith and hated liberalism - what a joke. He's 20 years behind the times. I don't think he'll get 5% of the vote.

[No Mandate Here.]

15. I guess we shouldn't take toomuch for granted,

but this seems to be a 100 yard race, and Obama has a 90 yard head start.

With everyone's eyes foirmly staring at Keyes and the Ill Rethugs, it will be interestiing to see just how LOW they go. I remember a chant from a hot August night in 1968- right there in Chicago...


"The Whole World is Watching! YThe whole world is watching!"

[tigereye]

16. OH for God's sake

Keyes doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being elected. He's not even from Illinois. They are crazed. (shakes head) God I despise the right.

[poliguru]

18. He doesn't have all the Repubs on board yet

I could be wrong (I've been out of town), but as of last Friday both former Govs. Thompson and Edgar have reserved their endorsement for Keyes until he shows them what he's about. And Topinka said Keyes is going to have to show Repubs like her (moderate) that he can work with them and address real issues.

[Rich Hunt]

23. that's funny

I think they're all going to crawl under a table and hide until after the election.

[SemperEadem]

33. yeah, I read that, too

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/Illinois+State+News/story/DAA569010233921A86256EE900762882?OpenDocument&Headline=Keyes\\'+candidacy+will+expose+rift+within+GOP

it seems that the Illinois GOP has a division problem on its hands, and it comes down to how far to the right they're willing to allow their platform to drift. There appears to be a small contingent of uber-rightwingnuts that really want to hijack the party and moderates like Thompson and Edgar are totally drawing back in reserve.

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While Keyes' candidacy solves one problem for the GOP, it generates another: His far-right views on most major issues will, once again, highlight the deep fissure in the Illinois GOP between moderates - like former Govs. Jim Edgar and James Thompson - and the more conservative wing, which has been trying for years to move the party rightward.

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"You just have to look at the remarkable unenthusiasm of Jim Edgar and Jim Thompson ... for this candidate," political scientist John S. Jackson, SIU Carbondale said. "No one could miss the implications of what they are not saying."

Conservatives, too, say they recognize that the choice of Keyes is likely to highlight the party's internal conflicts. But they say that they needed a dramatic answer to the Obama juggernaut and that now it's the moderates' turn to hold their tongues and get on board.

"The state party is divided in the same way the national party is divided. The difference in Illinois is that the more moderate branch tends to run the board," noted Jackson. "The hard-right decided they wanted this ... but it will magnify the fault lines" with moderates.

Granted, Obama's got draw and dynamism, but he's been grooming himself through being a state senator, so it's not like Obama was sprung on them at the last minute. They had no one warming up in the bullpen of credibility? And who's the morality party?

Perhaps the Ill GOP should have just "taken one for the team" this time around and not backed a sure loser... don't fight against the tide--wait for it to go out first before bailing out the house.

[poliguru]

38. Funny

I liked this part of the article:

<Conservatives, too, say they recognize that the choice of Keyes is likely to highlight the party's internal conflicts. But they say that they needed a dramatic answer to the Obama juggernaut and that now it's the moderates' turn to hold their tongues and get on board.>

Shut up, Edgar and Thompson! Get on board with us, we're running things, and if you don't like it, you're...UNPATRIOTIC!!!

[AntiCoup2K4]

19. Keyes is a liar and a hypocrite

And if you would have asked me a week ago, those are two names I didn't think I'd ever call him. But given his condemnation of Hillary's "carpetbagging", and pontificating that he would never consider doing such a thing, that is exactly what he has become.

GOP: the party of liars and hypocrites. What a slogan!

[TedsGarage]

22. Political Hit Man

I am appalled that the Republicans would import a radical like this to Illinois. One of the nice things about politics here is that we've been free of the polarizing culture wars that have scorched the rest of the country. The Democrats aren't leftists and the Republicans aren't wingnuts. Now the right-wing rump of the Illinois GOP has brought in this political hit man to dirty up Barack Obama, in case he wants to run for president someday.

If the Illinois Republican Party is in bad shape now, just wait until November. They'll be a fringe party, like the Libertarians and the LaRouchies.

[PopSixSquish]

25. I am Now Convinced that the ILL GOP Have Taken Up Drinking

These people are out of their minds.

[Walt Starr]

28. The 'Good vs. Evil' statement will cost Keyes at least ten points

on election day.

My hope is he'll take less than 29% of the vote on November 2nd, making this his worst showing ever in a Senate race.

My fondest desire is for him to come in third place behind Jerry Kohn, the Libertarian.

[liberalpragmatist]

32. I think the final margin will be something like this:

Obama: 72%
Keyes: 18%
Kohn: 10%

[fujiyama]

34. I can't wait

for Obama to kick his ass in Nov.

BTW, I'm goinna to put my :tinfoilhat: on and say that Obama should avoid small planes.

[MISSDem]

35. The conservatives think that all liberals or Democrats are

evil. The day that I put my Kerry bumper sticker on my car a man from the church I attend stopped me in the grocery store and said "I can't believe what I saw on your bumper!" He doesn't know me well enough to have been kidding, so...

[BayouBengal07]

36. Hmmmm...

"If there is a child on the south side of Chicago who can’t read, that matters to me, even if it’s not my child. If there’s a senior citizen somewhere who can’t pay for their prescription drugs, and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it’s not my grandparent. If there’s an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties." -Barack Obama


Sounds pretty evil to me.

[alarcojon]

40. What an inspiring speech it was...

and in the other corner is the one trick pony: I am good, and my opponent is EEEEVIL

[Tweed]

39. Alan Keyes is 100% correct

This is a battle of good vs. evil. Keyes is evil and Obama is good. Good will win.

[Inland]

41. Oberweiss trying to throttle Keyes campaign in crib

He thinks he should have been chosen to run. How better to start the next run than to make a statement that sounds good to crazy ass pubbie conservatives AND scuttles Keyes campaign?

[Zynx]

45. Oberweiss once said that Obama was to the left of Mao.

Would that make him Pol Pot? ;-)

[pschoeb]

42. Jim Oberweis is a racist nutjob

And everyone in Illinois knows it, because of his horrible primary ads. Having Jim Oberweis help the Keyes campaign will make sure it has even less potential to win(which would mean clear negative potential).

[complain jane]

44. I saw a clip of Keyes on the news today

and man that SOB is one crazy bastard.

[Ducks In A Row]

47. nope, it's the native son vs. the carpetbagger

but I guess it's ok when Keyes is the one holding the carpetbag

[dogman]

48. Keyes is here to give Illinois a wedgie.

We should give him a carpet bag with a pair of flip flops in it.

[shivaji]

49. Yeah, next they will call Obama a "baby killer"

[murielm99]

50. He already did that.

He was on WGN this morning for about fifteen minutes.

Keyes accused Obama of voting for some bill that allows babies born alive after abortions to be killed. In other words, he accused him of infanticide.

That creep Spike O'Dell did not even call him on it.