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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 06:22 PM
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Factcheck.org Debunks Smeartboat liars! read all about it!!!
http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231

Summary


A group funded by the biggest Republican campaign donor in Texas began running an attack ad Aug. 5 in which former Swift Boat veterans claim Kerry lied to get one of his two decorations for bravery and two of his three purple hearts.
But the veterans who accuse Kerry are contradicted by Kerry's former crewmen. One of the accusers says he was on another boat "a few yards" away during the incident which won Kerry the Bronze Star, but the former Army lieutenant whom Kerry plucked from the water that day backs Kerry's account.

Analysis
 

"Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" is a group formed March 23 after Kerry wrapped up the Democratic nomination. It held a news conference May 4 denigrating Kerry's military record and his later anti-war pronouncements during the 1970's. The group began running an attack ad Aug. 5 in which 13 veterans variously say Kerry is "not being honest" and "is lying about his record."




SBVT Ad "Any Questions?" 


John Edwards: "If you have any questions about what John Kerry is made of, just spend 3 minutes with the men who served with him."


(On screen: Here's what those men this of John Kerry)


Al French: I served with John Kerry.


Bob Elder : I served with John Kerry.


George Elliott: John Kerry has not been honest about what happened in Vietnam.


Al French: He is lying about his record.


Louis Letson: I know John Kerry is lying about his first Purple Heart because I treated him for that injury.


Van O'Dell: John Kerry lied to get his bronze star...I know, I was there, I saw what happened.


Jack Chenoweth: His account of what happened and what actually happened are the difference between night and day.


Admiral Hoffman: John Kerry has not been honest.


Adrian Lonsdale: And he lacks the capacity to lead.


Larry Thurlow: When he chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry.


Bob Elder: John Kerry is no war hero.


Grant Hibbard: He betrayed all his shipmates...he lied before the Senate.


Shelton White: John Kerry betrayed the men and women he served with in Vietnam.


Joe Ponder: He dishonored his country...he most certainly did.


Bob Hildreth: I served with John Kerry...


Bob Hildreth (off camera) : John Kerry cannot be trusted.



Where the Money Comes From


Although the word "Republican" does not appear in the ad, the group's financing is highly partisan. The source of the Swift Boat group's money wasn't known when it first surfaced, but a report filed July 15 with the Internal Revenue Services now shows its initial funding came mainly from a Houston home builder, Bob R. Perry, who has also given millions to the Republican party and Republican candidates, mostly in Texas, including President Bush and Republican Majority Leader Tom DeLay, whose district is near Houston


Perry gave $100,000 of the $158,750 received by the Swift Boat group through the end of June, according to its disclosure report .


Perry and his wife Doylene also gave more than $3 million to Texas Republicans during the 2002 elections, according to a database maintained by the Institute on Money in State Politics . The Perrys also were among the largest Republican donors in neighboring Louisiana, where they gave $200,000, and New Mexico, where they gave $183,000, according to the database 


At the federal level the Perrys have given $359,825 since 1999, including $6,000 to Bush's campaigns and $27,325 to DeLay and his political action committee, Americans for a Republican Majority, according the a database maintained by the Center for Responsive Politics .


The Silver Star


Several of those who appear in the ad have signed brief affidavits, and we have posted some of them in the "supporting documents" section to the right for our visitors to evaluate for themselves.
One of those affidavits, signed by George Elliott, quickly became controversial. Elliott is the retired Navy captain who had recommended Kerry for his highest decoration for valor, the Silver Star, which was awarded for events of Feb. 29, 1969, when Kerry beached his boat in the face of an enemy ambush and then pursued and killed an enemy soldier on the shore.
Elliott, who had been Kerry's commanding officer, was quoted by the Boston Globe Aug 6 as saying he had made a "terrible mistake" in signing the affidavit against Kerry, in which Elliott suggested Kerry hadn't told him the truth about how he killed the enemy soldier. Later Elliott signed a second affidavit saying he still stands by the words in the TV ad. But Elliott also made what he called an "immaterial clarification" - saying he has no first-hand information that Kerry was less than forthright about what he did to win the Silver Star.
What Elliott said in the ad is that Kerry "has not been honest about what happened in Viet Nam." In his original affidavit Elliott said Kerry had not been "forthright" in Vietnam. The only example he offered of Kerry not being "honest" or "forthright" was this: "For example, in connection with his Silver Star, I was never informed that he had simply shot a wounded, fleeing Viet Cong in the back."


In the Globe story, Elliott is quoted as saying it was a "terrible mistake" to sign that statement:


George Elliott (Globe account): It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here. . . . I knew it was wrong . . . In a hurry I signed it and faxed it back. That was a mistake.



In his second affidavit, however, Elliott downgraded that "terrible mistake" to an "immaterial clarification." He said in the second affidavit:


Elliott (second affidavit): I do not claim to have personal knowledge as to how Kerry shot the wounded, fleeing Viet Cong. 



Elliott also said he now believes Kerry shot the man in the back, based on other accounts including a book in which Kerry is quoted as saying of the soldier, "He was running away with a live B-40 (rocket launcher) and, I thought, poised to turn around and fire it." (The book quoted by Elliott is John  F. Kerry, The Complete Biography, By The Reporters Who Know Him Best.)


Elliott also says in that second affidavit, "Had I known the facts, I would not have recommended Kerry for the Silver Star for simply pursuing and dispatching a single, wounded, fleeing Viet Cong." That statement is misleading, however. It mischaracterizes the actual basis on which Kerry received his decoration.


The official citation shows Kerry was not awarded the Silver Star "for simply pursing and dispatching" the Viet Cong. In fact, the killing is not even mentioned in the official citation. The citation - based on what Elliott wrote up at the time - covers Kerry's decision to attack rather than flee from two ambushes, including one in which he "led a landing party." It says Kerry first attacked an "entrenched enemy" less than 50 feet away: "Unhesitatingly, Lieutenant (junior grade) Kerry ordered his boat to attack as all units opened fire and beached directly in front of the enemy ambushers. This daring and courageous tactic surprised the enemy and succeeded in routing a score of enemy soldiers." It says "many enemy weapons" were captured. Later, 800 yards away, Kerry's boat encountered a second ambush and a B-40 rocket exploded  "close aboard" Kerry's boat. "With utter disregard for his own safety, and the enemy rockets, he again ordered a charge on the enemy, beached his boat only ten feet away from the VC rocket position, and personally led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy." There is no mention of enemy casualties at all. Kerry was cited for "extraordinary daring and personal courage . . . in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of intense fire."
Elliott had previously defended Kerry on that score when his record was questioned during his 1996 Senate campaign. At that time Elliott came to Boston and said Kerry acted properly and deserved the Silver Star. And as recently as June, 2003, Elliott called Kerry's Silver Star "well deserved" and his action "courageous" for beaching his boat in the face of an ambush:


Elliott (Boston Globe, June 2003): I ended up writing it up for a Silver Star, which is well deserved, and I have no regrets or second thoughts at all about that. . . . (It) was pretty courageous to turn into an ambush even though you usually find no more than two or three people there.



Elliott now feels differently, and says he has come to believe Kerry didn't deserve his second award for valor, either, based only on what the other anti-Kerry veterans have told him. He told the Globe Aug. 6:


Elliott: I have chosen to believe the other men. I absolutely do not know first hand.


More here: http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=231
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 06:26 PM
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1. Kerry's website did a good job too
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 06:27 PM
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2. fact check is usually pretty good, is this a new one or the one from
last week?

Hola mijo!! :hi:
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 06:37 PM
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3. I don't know I just found this and got excited because
We all know the truth and what sources are good, but when making the case to neo-cons or swing voters you can't throw obvious "liberal" sources as proof, and of course the argument can always be made "well Kerry says on his site it's a lie? big deal of course he's gonna cover himself"

BUT when you got groups like factcheck who have gone after Democrats as well as Repubs making the case THEN you got something strong to drive on.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 06:48 PM
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4.  Factcheck is a Republican front designed to obscure the truth.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-09-04 07:21 PM
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5. That doesn't mean that they won't get some stories right
even a blind hog will find an acorn sometimes....

That being said, I agree with you, though if their analysis is correct, then their Republican ties can be used to our advantage with folks like O'Liely, who can't very well call them "socialists" or some such thing....
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