All those who say they won't vote for Kerry - this thread is for you

[Snoggera]

You are obviously uneducated, ignorant, and incapable of sympathy or empathy for others. Thank you for being here to spread your developmentally disabled falsehoods and incoherent statements, but I would like for you to go somewhere else.

This is not my message board, but it IS the Democratic Underground. Not disruptor's anonymous.

Thank you for going away. I am sick to the point of ulcers of reading what you have to say.

Vote Kerry. If you care about the Constitution and the history of America.

[JohnKleeb]

1. I just wish people would give the guy a chance

I dare you to find me a perfect f-ing candiate. I dont agree with the man on everything but damnit, he'll make a damn good president. Some of his programs will directly benefit me like his education program. Its just a shame, that we demand perfection, things will get better. Change happens in steps not giant big leaps.

[Snoggera]

4. you are wise beyond your years

That education program will become a reality if he is elected (and the Senate tilts during his term). It is one of the most important aspects of his "platform", and needs to be told to everyone in high school or in that general age group. It is a great program, and has not gotten any press.

[JohnKleeb]

9. I saw that you liked it Snog you mentioned it

and I really liked it, someone else was inspired by it too. This in fighting makes me upset, I am sorry but Ive had it up to here with this shit, we have the best nominee of my life time and people trash the man like hes some asshole, hes a man who has a great respect for our values.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

6. Good point, JohnKleeb.

[JohnKleeb]

12. Kerry's programs will directly benefit some of us

Kerry's education plan will enable my family to send all their children to colleges of their choice. Kerry will make sure that that Catholics of Ireland are NOT treated like they are inferior. Kerry will do what Bush can not and thats genuinely help people! I am sorry Ive lost my cool but really, when will we ever have a genuinely perfect president or even a candiate, FDR had the internment camps as his bad deed, and other things
like not supporting civil rights but do I love FDR, hell yeah I do, do I disagree with Kerry on some, yes, but do I like and admire him, yes. God, we are so lucky to have him as our nominee, I realyl think so.

[XanaDUer]

21. Go JK!

:bounce:

[JohnKleeb]

32. thanks

I just have to get this off, I am sick of having to defend Kerry to my own party, there is a big differance between Kerry and Bush, and anyone can see that.

[Andromeda]

95. If someone so young can see the importance

of voting for Kerry in this election then others who seem to be wavering in their support should take a few pointers from you and look at all the issues instead of focusing on the ones they disagree with.

You rock, John!:yourock:

[George_Bonanza]

15. Kleeb's a great guy

For a guy his age, it'd be very easy to fall into stubborn "my way or the highway" political mentality.

[JohnKleeb]

20. hah thanks

I try, really though, Ive nearly had it, I dont like Dick Gephardt being compared to Joe Lieberman, I dont like Lieb being compared to Miller either. You want a bushlite democrat? he switched to the GOP a copule of days back because he loved bush so much he decided to join his own party.

[DaveinMD]

2. I posted this elsewhere, but here it is again

I am so sick of people on the left making the perfect the enemy of the good. This is why the right keeps beating us. Because if we don't get everything our way, we pick up our toys and go home. If this continues, we're going to live in a country where there is no social safety net, where people are jailed for voicing dissent, where social security is eliminated, where the income tax is eliminated and more regressive taxation is in place and more terrible things. If this is what you want, vote for Nader or stay home. If you want to change things for the better, vote for John Kerry.

[Snoggera]

7. You have completely misunderstood my message

read and think before responding next time.

edit: I'm a shmuck. Sorry!

[Sparkly]

18. I think he was agreeing with you, Snoggera

At least that's how I read it. :hi:

[XanaDUer]

22. Me, too.

n/t.

[DaveinMD]

24. yes I was agreeing

with the top post.

[Snoggera]

28. whoops!

Sorry if that is so. I may be imperfect at times, though I strive for mediocrity!

:toast:

[DaveinMD]

31. no problem

it happens to everyone.

[SharonAnn]

3. Our Republican neighbor says he's voting for his first Democrat

this November. Kerry for President! Yeay!!

He can't believe how bad Bush is and how many people just won't recognize it.

[Old and In the Way]

Even Republicans can figure this out.

True, FReepers will support GWB regardless....because they are married to their fantasy. But I think there will be many Republicans, in the privacy of the voting booth, who will vote to put sanity, intelligence, and hope back in the WH.

[JohnKleeb]

23. you know what saddens me

we're gaining new republican voters who see hey this Kerry guy has a great set of values, a great vision then we got our purists, sigh. Makes me sad. I cant help it, I like Kerry.

[XanaDUer]

39. Curious...

did something bad happen to him/her since ShrubCo took over?

Loss of job, insurance, etc.?

I am always curious what sends them over to the Light Side! ;)

[ibemee]

5. Be nice to Repubs.... :-)

Analyst Says Bush Needs `Miracle' to Win Re-Election
George W. Bush would need a "miracle" to win the presidential election as the war in Iraq becomes increasingly unpopular, a political analyst told members of the Business Council of Alabama. Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, said if the election was held now, Democratic nominee John Kerry "would win very handily." The war is the biggest factor hurting Bush's re-election chances, he said, noting that if the president hadn't ordered the U.S. invasion of Iraq last year, he likely would be leading in 45 states and heading toward a landslide victory. "He really will need a miracle to win, and the last miracle was for Harry S. Truman," Sabato told the Birmingham News after his speech at the council's governmental affairs conference in Point Clear. Truman pulled his upset presidential victory in 1948. Sabato said Bush also must deal with a mediocre economy and a sour mood among voters that sees the economic glass as half empty. Democratic Lt. Gov. Lucy Baxley, who joined dozens of legislators listening to Sabato's speech, said his national perspective offered an interesting contrast to the view from Alabama, which tends to vote heavily Republican in presidential elections.
Gadsen Times (Alabama) - August 9, 2004

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

11. Hmm.....

[Snoggera]

13. If Alabama goes blue, I'll have a heart attack

and come back as a reincarnated Jesus.

Anything can happen this election! The people are fired up! Did you read the threads/stories about the Kansas backtrack?

Good things are happening, and for good reason.

[NEDem]

8. Amen!

[greatauntoftriplets]

10. It is easier to catch flies with honey than with vinegar.

And I HAVE read your post. Insults are not productive.

[Desertrose]

16. thanks , my thought too

Why piss off possible dem voters. We don't have to adore or admire Kerry...just vote for him.

[DaveinMD]

19. people

are saying that they aren't voting for him because he doesn't agree with them 100 percent. That is self-defeating and its why the right keeps whipping our butts in recent elections.

[Desertrose]

26. yeah well you can't *make* them vote....

My slogan is "Vote Kerry-he's not Bush"

What is self defeating IMHO is that we try to please everyone!

I am not too hopeful of big change with him but at least he's not a whack job like * and his minions!

[greatauntoftriplets]

27. As I stated above....

Insults are not productive. Neither is name calling. Ever see a 1950s era movie called "Friendly Persuasion"? Think on the name a bit....

[DaveinMD]

30. I'm not insulting anyone

I'm stating the truth. We keep losing because we keep making perfect the enemy of the good. If you want a conservative supreme court and another war or two, stay home or vote Nader. If you want to change the country for the better, vote for John Kerry. Those are your choices. They are the only choices.

[JohnKleeb]

34. cant we just realize that Kerry is a good guy

with good intentions, hes not perfect but damnit, will anyone be truly perfect. I am sorry, I dont like losing my cool but as I said, I had differances with my own political hero FDR, and FDR is a Demigod to me.

[greatauntoftriplets]

35. The OP is engaging in insults and name calling.

You seem to be in agreement with him/her.

And please don't presume to tell me my choices.

[mike_c]

47. I'm not going to vote for him because he's pro war....

I disagree with many of his other positions-- he's a corporate tool, IMO-- but I'd vote for him in spite of those disagreements if he just had the courage to admit he was wrong about Iraq and to take an opposition stance against the illegal, immoral, and imbecilic invasion. Kerry's support for the Iraq invasion is doing as much to further the goals of the PNAC as the lies and provocations Bush used to sell his war.

I don't expect "100 percent agreement" from any politician, but there are still thresholds that I will not cross. I've said it before and I'll say it again: if Kerry repudiates his IWR vote and opposes a continued U.S. presence in Iraq (or influence through some other agency, such as a puppet government), I'll set aside all of my other differences in a skinny minute. I won't like him-- he's far too centrist for my political tastes, but I'll vote for him. But not until he convinces me that he opposes the shrub on Iraq.

[DaveinMD]

51. have fun

with 4 more years of George Bush.

[Snoggera]

33. You are Correct!

I love your sigs. Kucinich is great (an honest man).

[JohnKleeb]

36. and I gave 100 dollars to his campaign

In fact, many of the original Kerry supporters I know were very respective towards him, and we learned from each other about our candiates, its how I became a Kerry defender, I knew that the man was a good man, and they knew that about Dennis too.

[oasis]

14. but..but Kerry never brought me a pony for my birthday.

:nopity:

[uconnyc]

17. As someone posted in a different thread:

SUPREME COURT!
SUPREME COURT!
SUPREME COURT!
SUPREME COURT!
SUPREME COURT!
SUPREME COURT!

Suck it up people!

[Zynx]

41. Indeed. The Supreme Court is critical.

Kerry politically can't take a number of stands on social issues you would like to hear, just as Clinton did, but his court appointments will take care of them.

[ranosgol]

25. No vote for Kerry is a Yes vote for Bush

I do not agree with Kerry on every issue. If I looked for someone whom I agreed on every issue I would have to run for office myself. I know the Nader people will say there is no difference in parties. It is true in some respects especially on economics most even in DNC are trickle down people, The only way we can shift this back to sanity is to start slow we have to move the DNC from Republican Light to at least being a Moderate party. The only way to do that is one race at a time. Americans hate change that is too quick it must happen over time.

[MercutioATC]

29. The last time I checked, we could vote for whomever we choose.

I'm voting for Kerry (while holding my nose) but you don't have to vote for Kerry to be a Democrat.

I agree that it's an important issue, but I don't think wearing jackboots is helping the cause.

[Snoggera]

42. So

the title of, and gist of the thread wasn't aimed for you.

Good for you for voting your noseless conscience! That's good enough for me!

[MercutioATC]

50. Im just suggesting we let Skinner make the decision as to who belongs here

Your rant notwithstanding, this IS the "Democratic Underground" and I have yet to see a voting requirement in the TOS.


It seems pretty clear to me.

[elperromagico]

37. One reason why I will vote for John Kerry:

The Courts.

The President of the United States appoints, with the advice and consent of the Senate, justices of the Supreme Court and of the circuit and district courts of the United States. Come 20 January 2005, either John Kerry or George W. Bush will be performing this task. Nader won't be doing it. Badnarik won't be doing it. That is not raining on someone's parade; it is a simple fact.

Let's look at the Supreme Court in particular. There you have three justices who are either very old or have been reportedly talking about retirement: Stevens, Rehnquist, and O'Connor.

Let's suppose for a moment that, come 2005, one of them decides to retire or one of them drops dead. Stevens is possibly the most liberal person on the court. O'Connor is well known as the swing vote on the Court. Many key decisions in the past nine years have been 5-4 decisions - there's no breathing room there at all.

Who do you want appointing Stevens' or O'Connor's replacement? Remember that Nader won't do it. Badnarik won't do it. It's either Kerry or Bush.

And remember as well that the average tenure of a Supreme Court justice is roughly 15 or 16 years. Many justices have stayed far longer. Five of the nine currently on the court have stayed longer than that. One of them was appointed by a President who has been out of office for exactly 30 years. We're talking long-term impact here.

So whose appointees do you want - say, twenty or thirty years down the line - making decisions about reproductive rights, gay rights, the environment, the death penalty, and all the other issues the Supreme Court deals with every year?

I, for one, want Kerry's appointees. Not Bush's. And you can talk about protest votes all you want - you can apply all the litmus tests you want - that decision is as plain as could be.

[Egnever]

38. yes yes fall in line

Demand less, settle be a good sheeple.

Sorry Kerry is not my idea of the best candidate offered up in this race. In fact i despise him.

If George bush wasn't such a disaster he wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hell in this election.

Best candidate in years my ass. His piss poor support for the gay community alone disqualifies him on that.

We all have our issues that are near and dear to our heart. Kerry comes close to mine in only a couple of places and diverges widely from them in many others.

I dont give a rats ass how sick you or anyone else is of me not singing the praises of john Kerry.

America is a melting pot of divergent opinions deal with it.

[elperromagico]

40. Who is the best candidate offered up in this race?

I'm just curious.

[Egnever]

43. I guess that would depend on you now wouldnt it?

my opinion of who is best and yours may be different but it doesnt make either one of us right.

john kerry may dovetail most closely with your beliefs maybe sharpton doevetailed most closely with mine. Point is for any person thier best candidate is the one that spoke to thier beliefs and issues. John kerry is not that candidate for me.

[elperromagico]

45. Didn't ask that.

I wanted your opinion. I know my opinion.

You say Kerry's not the best candidate for you. Who then is?

[Egnever]

46. don't care what you asked

what difference does it make?

[elperromagico]

49. So there is no best candidate?

What are you being so defensive about? You said Kerry wasn't the best candidate for you. I'd just like to know that you've found somebody better.

[MercutioATC]

52. No, he said that Kerry was "not my idea of the best candidate offered up

in this race". The statement has nothing to do with current candidates, it just states that he believes there were better possibilities.

Personally, I agree. I really dislike Kerry.

[elperromagico]

54. Once again, who's better in this race?

Fine, if we're going by the broad terms you define... I don't think Kerry is "the best candidate offered up" either. I think FDR would be a far stronger candidate. I also think Superman would be a great candidate. But they aren't in the race.

Who's better than Kerry in this race?

[MercutioATC]

58. Now? It's Kerry. "In this race" from the beginning? Dean's my choice.

He was consistent and he had less "baggage" in terms of agreeing with the Republicans' legislation than Kerry does.

I've said it before, Kerry's vote on the IWR shows me he's one of two things:

1) a political opportunist who votes the way he has to to get re-elected, or

2) a complete moron who trusts an opposition President surrounded by hawks to "do the right thing".

I hope it's #1, but you'll forgive me for not being thrilled with that explanation.

[elperromagico]

At last, a straight answer.

Your candor is much appreciated. :)

[MercutioATC]

68. That's just MY answer. I'll let Egnever speak for himself.

[elperromagico]

72. It was good to read your thoughts all the same.

I am always interested in what my fellow DUers think, even if I don't always agree with them. :)

[MercutioATC]

75. Thanks. We might not agree, but I'm glad we're all here sharing opinions.

[Egnever]

57. Kerry is better than Bush

Put em on a scale and Kerry eeks out a win. Doesn't make me like the fact that I am left with a choice of what to me appears to be two bads.

There were multiple choices for me in the primaries I would have settled for easily. Kerry is not one of them. I will choke down the bile as I vote for this pretender in November.

When gore ran against bush for example I was whole heartedly behind Gore. I would have loved to see him as my president. I long to be back in a place where I liked my choices.

I will help to get bush out with my vote but posts like the one that begins this thread make me want to puke.

All I see in Kerry is another politician willing to say anything to get elected and unwilling to stand up for anything in case it prevents him from getting elected. I don't believe a thing that comes out of his mouth.

its like waiting for another bush to get in office again. I feel the same dread. I doubt he will or could be as bad as bush has been but the feeling of remorse is still there.

[DaveinMD]

62. the totality

of Kerry's career is that of a great Democrat and yes even a liberal. But throw that all out. There is such a huge difference in this election it boggles my mind that people still can think there isn't.

[Egnever]

71. Hmm thats debatable.

Over all his record doesn't horrify me the way bushes does until of course bush got in office. Since that time I haven't liked it one bit.

There are other things in his overall record that i also disagree with him on.

But yes you are right over all his past record isn't that bad. Its not something I am very impressed by either except perhaps when it comes to the environment.

[DaveinMD]

77. I don't see

how you can not see the difference. ON choice he's 100 percent. YOu mention the environment. He was a big supporter of the Clinton economic program that Bush is undoing. These are all important issues and just the tip of the iceburg.

[Egnever]

84. what do you mean see the difference?

???

[elperromagico]

69. Thank you.

Good to read your thoughts. :D

[Egnever]

76. My pleasure

and my apologies for being defensive but the original post set my teeth on edge.

[elperromagico]

82. It's not a big deal.

The problem with the Internet sometimes is that it's impossible to convey one's tone. So I'm sorry if I came across as attacking your viewpoint. I simply wanted to hear more of your opinion.

[Snoggera]

44. So, go find Perfect-Land

and tell me how it is through postcards.

Dream on about the way the world works, and the world will smash you to bits.

[Egnever]

48. lol black and white

with us or against us.

I don't play that BS when it comes from bush and I don't play it when it comes from Dem's like you either.

The world is full of grey.

[DaveinMD]

55. not in this case

if you want 4 more years of Bush, sit it out or vote for Nader. If you want to get rid of Bush, vote for Kerry. There are no other choices. Its that simple.

[Snoggera]

56. The world is full of a lot of things

and those that seem to be controlling it seem to look at black/white comparisons of everything. The thing to think about is that those in power not only see things that way, they implement ideologies to destroy various people, animals, and natural landscapes.

To vote anything other than Kerry is to be a fool. That is my educated opinion. If you choose not to, then happy days living in * hell.

I don't play bullshit either. I see reality. Do you?

[Egnever]

59. I see clearly

And in your reality there is no room for disention. In mine there is.

You play the bs with us or against us routine to your hearts content and I will continue to fight for the change I desire.

Your reality IS bullshit.

[DaveinMD]

61. dissent all you want

vote for Nader or don't vote and you will have to live with 4 more years of Bush. Vote for Kerry if you want to get rid of Bush. Its that simple.

[Egnever]

65. No its not that simple

Again there is a lot of grey.

bush can remain in office for the rest of my life if we turn the congress around so that he no longer controls it. He can still do damage but the damage at least would be limited. He couldn't even seat the supreme court justices everyone is so worried about if we did that.

I am more than motivated to change my local representatives because of this. Unfortunately for me because I disagree with Kerry on issues this would have the effect of rubber stamping his ideas through. Its a catch 22.

Nothing is ever so simple as black or white and if you live in a world where you think they are you are delusional or stupid.

[DaveinMD]

74. it is that simple

Dems controlled the senate and Bush 1 still appointed Clarence Thomas.

If you want to get rid of Bush, the only way is to vote for Kerry. Any other vote is a vote for more of the same.

We keep losing elections because we expect perfection from our candidates. Kerry is a good man, with a good record on so many issues the progressive community cares about. We shouldn't let one issue blow it.

[Egnever]

83. horse shit

we keep losing elections because we keep nominating pantywaists as candidates.

People don't want a BS artist they want someone willing to stand up for what they believe in.

I don't agree with half the crap that comes out of McCain's mouth but i would vote for him in heart beat over either of these two pretenders. Because I feel comfortable that I know where he stands and that he is willing to take a stand.

Look at what the people who vote for bush say they like about him. He is decisive. People want a leader not someone who will tell them what they want to hear.

The line about we lose elections because we don't have the perfect candidate is crap. We lose because we are unwilling to stand for anything unless it seems popular or politically safe to do so.

[DaveinMD]

86. that worked great

for McGovern and Mondale. We lost in 2000 because the Naderites needed a perfect candidate instead of voting for a good one in Gore. And now people are saying they won't vote for Kerry because he isn't perfect. That's why we're losing. Kerry said he doesn't regret his vote. He's standing by what he did, because it put teeth in the inspection process. He would have let the inspection take their course, which would have meant no invasion.

Like I said, if you want 4 more years of Bush, don't vote for Kerry.

[Egnever]

87. LOL

"He's standing by what he did, because it put teeth in the inspection process"

Sorry i have been paying attention throughout this election process. I watched the genesis of the whole i voted to put teeth into the inspection process bullshit that he finally settled on as his excuse.

Kerry is the flim flam man. The flip flopper title he has doesn't come from no where.

We won in 2000.

[DaveinMD]

88. we won in 2000

but we are not in power because of the Nader vote. Florida wouldn't have been close enough to steal and New Hampshire would have gone to Gore.

[Egnever]

89. Democracy aint pretty

And the fact that Dems are trying to prevent Nader or anyone from runing is a good reason not to vote Dem all by itself.

If gore hadn't played the three little bears in the debates (thank his no balls dlc handlers for that) Nader wouldnt have made a difference.

We need more choices not less.

May the best man win.

[DaveinMD]

90. in our system

its winner take all. Therefore, if you want to change the direction of the party, run in the primaries. A vote against Kerry is a vote for Bush. It is that simple. Gore wins without Nader. If Gore won, we wouldn't be in this predicament. He would have been a good president. NOt perfect, but good. But Nader spread his lie about there being no difference, and we got President Shrub.

[Egnever]

92. blah blah blah

its simple its simple

You are like a broken record.

You give Nader more power than he deserves.

Nader is the DLC's great excuse for their incompetence.

[DaveinMD]

94. its a fact

without Nader, Gore lives in the white House right now. This is a fact. YOu can argue that Gore ran a poor campaign and I'd agree. However, he still would be president if Nader wasn't in the race. And world would be a lot different right now.

What does that have to do with the DLC. I'm hardly a DLCer. I'm a labor Dem.

[Andy_Stephenson]

60. Wow...

Glad you said that and not me.

It's exactly how I feel.

In fact I agree with most everything you have said in this thread.

[Egnever]

93. Cheers!

:toast:

[CTLawGuy]

53. You can ask me to vote for Kerry

and I will vote for him, but do not force me to like him.

I understand all the arguments about how horrible a Bush second term would be, and they are persuasive. However, I still do not like Kerry. And it's not because I'm a perfectionist.

Kerry and I differ on many key issues.

Iraq War: Kerry voted to enable Bush to go to war (irrespective of what he THOUGHT he was voting for. I'm sure Kerry truly did not wish for the war to happen, but he went about it wrong.) He refuses to apologize for this mistake, or even say the war itself was a mistake. I don't want to send the message to the dems that this kind of spinelessness is ok.

Tax cuts: Kerry wants to keep part of Bush's budget busting tax cuts, hence ensuring that the budget probably won't get balanced for a long time. I believe all Bush's tax cuts should be repealed on the grounds that fully funded education, health care, and fully funded first repsonders and border security (as well as lowered state taxes)are better for the middle class than an extra 300 bucks.

Corporate taxation: Kerry wants to cut corp income taxes by 5% From his website: "99 percent of American businesses will get a tax cut under the Kerry-Edwards plan. " I think that most businesses pay too little in taxes. Furthermore, any money gained from Kerry's admirable plan to discourage job outsourcing, should be used for a much more important purpose than cutting corporate taxes further.

Gay rights: Though Kerry has fought for gay rights in the past, I'm unhappy that he has decided to endorse the MO gay marriage ban. I would require that states provide gay people with equal partnership rights. I think it is counterproductive to that goal to encourage gay marriage bans.


Kerry and I also agree about many things:

Abortion rights: We are both pro-choice, though I am annoyed that he would consider appointing pro-life judges.

Energy independence: We both favor finding alternative energy sources.


Funding NCLB: We are both in favor.



I am cool on Kerry because of our disagreement on several very important issues.

[Egnever]

91. Exactly!

Good post thanks for that!

[mike_c]

63. hey Snoggera-- maybe DU should require a pledge of support...

...for Kerry from anyone who wants to post here. Whaddya think?

[DaveinMD]

64. maybe

people that say they hate Bush should do all they can to get rid of him. Voting for Kerry is the only way to get rid of him in this election.

[MercutioATC]

66. Hmmm...isn't that a Cheney trick...the whole "loyalty oath" thing?

If DU ever required an oath to vote for any particular candidate, I'd bet a LOT of us would leave.

[DaveinMD]

70. not calling for an oath

just making the point clear. Nader or not voting=a vote for Bush. Kerry is the only choice if you want to get rid of Bush.

[MercutioATC]

73. Ah, it was the break between "maybe" and the rest of the sentence

that got me. I thought you were saying "Maybe" an oath should be required.

I agree with you, then. Kerry is the only vote to beat Bush.

[DaveinMD]

78. sorry

for the confusion. I'm frustrated right now because I don't like how people are willing to live with 4 more years of hell because Kerry isn't perfect.

[MercutioATC]

79. NP, I just took it wrong.

[athena]

97. I'm frustrated, too.

I thought people had learned a lesson in 2000.

If all those perfectionists and dreamers had just held their noses and voted for Gore, thousands of Iraqis would be alive now. All the anti-war people not voting for Kerry should consider that.

It's futile to try to talk sense into some people.

[Snoggera]

67. Maybe this is the most important election in our lifetimes

and bullshit no longer smells good? Maybe it's time to make a choice. Not between evil and lesser evil and retard fuck that will garner enough of the vote to be a thief, but to make a choice between fascism and democracy.

Is that clear enough for you? If not, then stay in your fantasy world while the bushistas take your rights and possibly life away.

[Name removed]

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[DaveinMD]

81. no thought police here

Its just reality. If you want to get rid of Bush, the only way is to vote for Kerry. Any other option is a step that helps keep Bush in office.

[Name removed]

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[athena]

96. Kerry is the best candidate Americans could have picked.

I, too, wish Kucinich could be president, but he didn't have a chance. Kerry is as liberal as anyone can be in the current political climate, while still being electable.

Plus, he's a national hero; plus he's respectable; plus the Bushies can't find anything in his past to defame him with.

He's almost too good to be true. People who refuse to vote for him are just malcontents.

[Moderator]

98. I'm locking this thread

it has long since outlived any usefulness it may have had.