Bush Record On Minority Concerns

[demwing]

I'm having a debate about Bush's record with minority issues, and have been hit with the seemingly accurate claim that minority home ownership has gone up under Bush.

To record highs!

Is there any decent resource that gives a clear picture of Bush's triumphs and failures regarding minority concerns?

[mark414]

1. i think

those record numbers are merely a result of a continuation of clinton policies as opposed to new bush policies. i could be wrong though, anyone?

[demwing]

2. Kick

hoping that I get more than 1 response to this.

We have the idea that Bush is bad for minorities, based on voter issues in 2000 and his stance on affirmative action, but what else can be said about Bush/Minorities?

This homeownership rates seems to be the result of a successful Bush push for minority home ownership. Does ANYONE have anything to dispute or confirm this?

[sangh0]

3. It's Clinton's policies

If all you're going to look at is the numbers, no one is going to be able to satisfy your request. We can cite the Clinton policies responsible for this, but we can't make you consider them. Since you havent given ANY indication that you will consider the policies (and ignored the one response that cites Clinton's policies) and since you seem to accept the Bush*ist claims without any consideration of the policies that led to that result, exactly what are you asking for?

This homeownership rates seems to be the result of a successful Bush push for minority home ownership

Why do you buy, without any question, the Bush* spin?

[sangh0]

4. Gee, and you seemed so concerned about this issue

.

[demwing]

5. Whats your point, that I should sit here and pray for a little attention?

How ridiculous.

[sangh0]

6. My point - Where did you get the idea that Bush* really is "pushing"

black home ownership, as opposed to just SAYING he's for it?

[demwing]

9. Run A Google search for "Bush, Minority, Home, ownership" Like I Did

CNN: "Bush aims to boost minority home ownership"
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/06/17/bush.minority.homes/

JET: "Bush promotes national minority home ownership plan - National Report - Brief Article"
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_2_102/ai_88582467

BET.com- "Courting Minorities, Bush Promotes Homeownership"
http://www.bet.com/articles/0,1048,c1gb3060-3724-1,00.html

Good enough to start?

[sangh0]

10. No, that's a terrible start. Did you even read those articles?

Those three articles do not include ONE mention of any program or policy that Bush* has actually implemented. It only mentions plans that Bush* promotes.

So again I ask you, "Why do you believe what Bush* says?"

[demwing]

14. Enough

You have nothing helpful to say.

[demwing]

7. Why are you being so negative?

I googled for information, read a bit about Bush's so called "push for minority home ownership" found that there seemed to be some basis for the claim, then came her to ask the oipinions of those who would have more information than I.

The first post thought it MIGHT be Clinton's policies, but cited nothing.

You claim you can quote the policy, but gave me NOTHING.

Then you rag all over me as if I support Bush, which I DONT, and if you ever read any of my posts here, or under my alter ego Demwing, or look at my website that I tag on every post, you would know that. Talk about lazy...

Well, sangho, kiss my ASS. KISS MY ASS.

[sangh0]

8. Why do you believe Bush*?

You say that you looked and found "some basis for the claim" but for some odd reason, you don't explain what that basis is, even though I have asked.

You claim you can quote the policy, but gave me NOTHING.

You're the thread-starter. Why don't YOU go first? You claim that there is "some basis" for Bush* claims, so why won't you share that info with us?

Then you rag all over me as if I support Bush, which I DONT

No, I didn't rag anything, and certainly not "as if" you support Bush*. However, you *DO* seem to think that Bush* has been "pushing" this issue and deserves some credit for the rising rate of black home ownership, but YOU WON'T TELL US WHY.

And then you complain when I point this out.

[SemperEadem]

12. proposing or "pushing" an idea

and funding and implementing it are two different things.

"Bush aims(but misses the mark) to boost minority home ownership"

"Bush promotes(but fails to implement) national minority home ownership plan - National Report - Brief Article"

"Courting Minorities, Bush Promotes(but fails to implement) Homeownership"


What you've found online is what you're only going to find online: Bush is pushing the concept, but he has done NOTHING but talk.

You asked about it being put into motion, not that he just spat it out as rhetoric at some newsconference. There is nothing google is going to find for you because it hasn't happened yet.

[demwing]

13. Which is exactly why I came here for help

and I get a ration of accusations.

I knew that what I saw on line made it "seem" as if Bush were responsible. If I believed that I would have stopped there.

I look at DU as a valuable resource of information and opinion. I refuse to be pushed into withdrawing from that viewpoint.

Still, all I am hearing is that I shouldn't believe the internet - and I already KNOW that. What I need is a resource that I CAN use.

ANY help?

[SemperEadem]

17. well, no--that part of the story hasn't materialized, so you're not going

to find anything to back up your claim.

[oasis]

11. Does the loss of 3 million jobs create an economic atmosphere for

increased home ownership for minorities? It just doesn't make sense. More Bushevik number fudging, and fabricating.

[demwing]

15. Exactly - it DOESN"T make sense!

Can anyone help me MAKE sense of this?

[demwing]

16. OK, More specifics - Here's the claim.

From: http://www.gopteamleader.com/myissues/view_issue.asp?id=2016

Minority Home Ownership Initiative: Minority homeownership is at an all-time high. In June 2002, the President announced the goal of increasing the number of minority homeowners by at least 5.5 million families before the end of the decade. The Census estimates an increase of 1.54 million minority homeowners since the President launched his initiative. The President signed the American Dream Downpayment Act into law, which will help an additional 40,000 low-income families each year own homes. In his FY 2005 budget, President Bush proposed the Zero-Downpayment Initiative for Federal Housing Administration (FHA)-insured single-family mortgages for first-time homebuyers.

I've found where Bush made such statements/proposals. (see post #6)

According to one census document, homeownership has remained fairly steady from 2002 to 2004, raising from 67% to 68%, but no word on minority ownership there, so I can neither confirm nor deny the claim.

I've found infor from Colorado and Florida that minority home ownership is on the rise, but that makes sense becausethose states have growing minority populations.

My every instinct tells me that the claims of Bush and minority home ownership is bogus, but I can' PROVE it, not without some help.

Anyone?

[demwing]

18. Again, please help shed some light

I'm searching as best as my time and resources allow.

Does anyone have a fast track answer that refutes the Repuke's statement that Bush has grown minority home ownership?

Something simpole will do, like a chart that shows that minority home ownership has grown at the same rate as all home ownership, or that minority ownership has grown in direct relation to % of the population.

[demwing]

19. OK, I ditched work and did it the hard way...

According to the Census Bureau figures from years 1995 - 2003:
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/housing/hvs/annual02/ann02t20.html

The average yearly % of increase in home ownership, 1995-2003:

White: 1.008%
Black: 1.015%
Hispanic: 1.013%
Asian: 1.013%
Native: 0.997%
All: 1.007%

The average yearly % under Bush (01-03), with diff. from overall averages:

White: 1.007% (-.001%)
Black: 1.006% (-.009%)
Hispanic: 1.003% (-.010%)
Asian: 1.022% (+.009%)
Native: 0.989% (-.008%)
All: 1.004% (-.003%)

The average yearly % under Clinton (95-00), with diff. from overall averages:

White: 1.008% (same)
Black: 1.020% (+.005%)
Hispanic: 1.019% (+.006%)
Asian: 1.008% (-.005%)
Native: 1.002% (+.011%)
All: 1.008% (+.001%)

As we can see, both whites and minority groups (excepting Asians) faired better under Clinton than Bush, with Bush slowing down growth for all groups--again excepting Asians.

Thanks anyway... :)

[LimpingLib]

20. Where did that $15 billion for aids in Africa go?

Ill agree Bush is the best president ever for minoritys (says little to nothing , infact is shows how sad our nations track record is) IFFFFFFF the funding actualy gets to Africa.