Can Someone Please Post A Rational Argument For Voting For Bush

[Yavin4]

I'm serious. I just want a rational, reasoned argument as to why Bush deserves another four years as president. What accomplishments has he made that will give us hope for another four years? The one argument that I hear most often is that he's better on terrorism than Kerry. To which I ask, "What is Bush going to do about terrorism that Kerry wouldn't do?" Bush's record on terrorism is dismal. He has not made us safer, and his policy of pre-emption without a plan for nation-building leads to de-stabilized nations and our military bogged down in quagmires.

So again, I ask, "What's the rational argument for voting for Bush?"

[TreasonousBastard]

1. I honestly can't think of one.

[sundancekid]

2. "rational" and *b* in the same sentence is an oxymoron

sorry ... TRULY unable to conjure one up (even for kicks or a forced feasibility exercise)

[Xipe Totec]

3. Since You Asked....

I'm scared shitless that we're going to get saddled with a Pyrrhic victory. Boy-George has done so much damage to this country that I'm not sure we're going to be able to pull out of the dive in four years. Meanwhile, the Repugs are going to be sitting on the sidelines blaming us for everything that goes wrong and taking credit for everything that goes right. Four years later they could be back in power and then we'd really be screwed.

If Dubya gets elected for another four years, then it's HIS mess. Cheney will probably not last the full term even if he bathes in formaldehyde, so there's no obvious successor on the Repug side 4 years hence.

Plus, it gives us four more years to try to impeach the Son of a Bitch.

[athena]

21. You're right.

It's not an argument for voting for Bush, but we need to make sure we don't lose four years from now. The moment Kerry becomes president, the right-wing will be blaming him for the national debt and preaching about what reckless spenders Democrats are.

To avoid losing the election four years from now, we need to take back the media.

[radiclib]

23. A proposition I got royally flamed for on these boards

a few months back was that the Dem nominee should pledge to serve only one term, with the stated reason that Bush's mess is so enormous that unpopular choices will have to be made to set the country in the right direction. Of course, if Kerry is wildly successful beyond anyone's reasonable expectations and carries a favorability of, say 70-75% into 2008, he could always change his mind and get away with it!

[Wabbajack]

4. 3

1) If you are rich and want to get richer.

2) If you hate everyone who isn't white.

3) If you are a homicidal maniac who enjoys it when "brown people" overseas die.

[Yavin4]

6. None of Those Are Rational Arguments n/t

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[malachibk]

5. Come at it from the point of view of the profoundly rich or religious

and you have your answer. More $$ and the rapture is coming. If you don't fall into those categories, there is no "rational" argument.

[napi21]

18. If they really believe in the Rapture, why do they need $$?

Isn't that the oxymoron? Aren't all your possessions left behind?

I'm sorry...I was trying to be logical again.

[malachibk]

29. I was thinking of two distinct groups

But I'm sure there's overlap which is, as you pointed out, troubling

[Connie_Corleone]

7. There is no "rational" argument for voting for bush.

One has to be "irrational" in order to vote for him in the first place.

[Gyre]

8. That's easy!

A rational reason could be, hmmmm. Armageddon to forward to if you're a loser christian who's crying out for a visit from the great leveler. Ummmm. Say I'm heavily invested in General Dynamics and Ratheon and I don't give a shit about my soul. I'd want Bush because endless war is really good for my bottom line.

Obviouly, moral bankruptcy is the key here but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's irrational.

Gyre

[NJCher]

9. I have one

Here's a rational argument for re-electing him.

John Dean was on the radio a few days ago saying that if he wins, he'll be impeached on any of about 11 scandals that could sink him. If Kerry wins, the focus will be on jobs, bailing out the country's finances and doing something with Iraq.

The focus will not be dumbya and his crimes, which will all go by the wayside, just like his daddy's did last time we had this crime family in power.

So the rational argument for reelecting bush is so that he can go down in smoke.


Cher

[yardwork]

11. The problem is that he might survive long enough

to make Supreme Court appointments or start WWIII.

[Lerkfish]

19. hardly, think about it...

the ONLY reason Clinton had to undergo the impeachment process was republican Hubris, because they had the majority in both houses.
UNLESS we make a clean sweep and do a 180 on the current situation and elect a democratic majority in the house and senate, NO ONE will allow Dubya to get impeached.

It will never happen. To argue that as a possiblity is trying to get water from the moon.

At best, perhaps, years down the road, IF a democratic majority holds, they might be charged after the fact for treason (and they should be). But to somehow hope that we'll be able to impeach him if he's reelected is a very vain hope, IMO.

I also agree that whoever replaces him will probably inherit the worst situation a president has ever inherited, but its lunacy to think the situation will be any better if we allow Bush 4 more years to completely foul everything up.

[NJCher]

60. I think what Dean was saying...

...was that he will be so encumbered by having broken so many laws, there will actually be no choice.


Cher

[Norquist Nemesis]

59. Only if Cheney et al go down with him

The allows for impeachment argument doesn't take into consideration that Cheney would take over as Pres. To give that scum one second of control as commander in chief...we might as well push the nuke button now.

[barb162]

63. Republicans, the Borg, feel comfortable with him

They "know" where he stands on things and when Bush changes his mind, they don't care. Also the born again Christian segment of the GOP are tuned in to each other, just like the Borg.

[liberalmuse]

10. There are none.

It isn't rational to destroy the environment that supports you and other species for the quick turn of the profit.

It isn't rational to think that you can destroy people who blow up innocent people for a cause by blowing up even more innocent people for a cause.

It isn't rational to want to trade jobs, healthcare and education for the many so a couple thousand millionaires and billionaires can make even more money.

It isn't rational to support a President who believes that an invisible entity is guiding him.

It isn't rational to believe that the very person who is threatening our economic future and stability in the world is the best person to keep us safe.

I could go on and on. People who vote for Bush are not rational, and if they are in any way rational, it is with the same cold rationality that prompts a spider to spin a web, entrap it's victim and suck it's fluids dry. It is the same cold rationality that prompted Ph. D.'s to dissect and experiment on living human beings or to be mindful of waste by making soap and blankets out of human remains.

[bushwakker]

12. I like polluted air and water

and AWOL gives it to me.

[the Kelly Gang]

13. yes..if you are a masochist

[Tom Rinaldo]

14. The most compelling arguments for voting for Bush

Are being made by Billionaires for Bush, and they of course are using satire.

Seriously, the arguments for Bush that I can think of mostly revolve around values, and the belief that the tone for the country is set by the person holding the job of President. People who are strongly anti-Abortion have a reason to vote for Bush. People who think of the United States as a Christian Nation that needs to more publicly embrace that faith have a reason to vote for Bush. People who are obsessed with the Right to Bear Arms under virtually any conceivable circumstance have a reason to vote for Bush. People who think homosexuality is a plague on humanity have a reason to vote for Bush. People who think the world would work better if people would just put more trust in their leaders and spend less time trying to second guess them have a reason to vote for Bush. People who believe that Communists are at the root of most of our problems think they have a reason to vote for Bush. People who don't notice the money being stolen from their wallet while someone is handing them a dollar bill have a reason to vote for Bush also. People who think environmentalists are wacko extremists trying to tax their gas and stop them from snow mobiling in National Parks have a reason to vote for Bush. And so on.

The Bush against terror thing is based on propaganda and misconceptions that Democrats don't really believe in defense but Republicans do. It dates back to images of anti war protests and reactions to slogans like, "wouldn't it be great if the Pentagon had to hold a bake sale to pay for their new bombers." It is extremely simplistic.

[depakid]

31. The only one I can think of is abortion

If one truly believes that abortion is the equivalent of murder, and the only way to outlaw it is for bush to replace several members of the Supreme Court, that would be a rational reason to vote for Bush.

The argument that rich people will save on taxes isn't logical in most cases, because Bush's other economic, environmental and educational policies will eventually drag down their standard of living too.

[quaker bill]

51. There are plenty of them

While none of them appeal to me, Bush does more or less represent a philosophy of government that appeals to many.

If you believe that society is best served by a government that allows people to succeed or fail entirely on their own, Bush is your guy. If in contrast, you think that to some extent "we are all in this together" and that having children suffer with hunger in the richest country in the world is obscene, then I would suggest Kerry is your candidate.

If you believe that America is made more safe and secure by having and liberally using the most powerful military on the planet, then Bush is your candidate. If in contrast, you feel that we are made safer and more secure by having good relations with our allies and that work toward economic and social justice and human rights is at least as important as a strong military, then Kerry is your candidate.

It is like Clinton said the other night. Republicans have values and if you agree with them, they should get your vote. Clinton said that he sees the world in a very different way than the republicans do. So do I.

[democratreformed]

15. Not no.... but HELL NO!

I can't think of any reason to vote for Bush with the exception of being stupid, ignorant, or just plain crazy.

[LiberalFighter]

16. What is rational about what he is going to do about terrorism...

when he has failed at it since 9/11/2001 AND failed at preventing 9/11/2001.

It isn't a matter of what he is going to do about it.... what is he doing about it now!!

And what has he failed to do that should had been done before, during and after?

[IdaBriggs]

17. "He's On God's Side -- Kerry Isn't."

You asked.

By letting people get abortions, Kerry is letting people put their souls in danger. By "condoning" gay sex, Kerry is saying its okay for people to burn in Hell.

Everything else is up for sacrifice if you love others and want to be with them in heaven. I have described it as the equivalent of ignoring the neighborhood drug dealer giving free samples of crack to kindergartners -- its not something people who "know better" are willing to let happen to people they love.

The bottom line is that "pro-choice" people are saying that The Bible is Wrong (or at least some interpretations of it). You can "America this" and "America that" all you want; its about who is watching out for the faithful and where they are going to spend eternity. Bush says he understands the importance of saving souls from Satan; Kerry says religion is an individual thing, and he's trusting the separation of church and state.

I wrote an article that I submitted to DU about this, but so far it doesn't look like its made the cut. I'm going to wait a couple of more days and then post it.

By the way, I'm not saying I agree with the above points; I'm just explaining them.

[drdtroit]

47. I'm positive being on "God's Side" includes

being an intolerant bully responsible for the sacrifice of tens of thousands of lives.

Very Christian of the man.

"'Vengeance is Shrub's', sayeth the Lord".

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. Better ask this on a rational Republican forum. Wait ...

Is there a rational Republican forum? The counterpart to Democratic Underground. Does one exist, even in diminished form?

Yes, DU is unique, never to be equaled. But how close are the Republicans able to approach the DU standard?

[quaoar]

22. If I favored

a Taliban-like government, I'd be all for Bush.

Seriously, the only rational reasons to vote for Bush:

1. You truly fear what Kerry might do.

2. You want evangelicals on the Supreme Court.

3. You believe that Kerry will force everyone to marry a same-sex partner.

4. You still believe in the promise of Iraqi democracy.

5. You still think Ahmad Chalabi is a great leader of his people.

6. You believe that jobs and prosperity are right around the corner.

7. You are tired of all the whiners who complain because they have to work at Wal-Mart instead of the jobs they trained for.

8. You worry that if Kerry is elected, your daughter will be required to have an abortion.

9. You are afraid that Kerry might appoint Barbra Streisand to be Secretary of State.

10. You worry that if Kerry wins and America becomes prosperous again, everything you have been saying about him will be wrong.

[lunarboy13]

24. Rationally?

George Bush is nearly killed in a tragic pretzel accident. His brain has been deprived of oxygen and he needs an immediate brain transplant. Ironically, Bill Clinton has suddenly collapsed at his home in NY. His heart has failed and he clings to life on a desperate, fragile limb of hope. But, alas, he soon passes. He belongs to the ages now. Or does he?

Doctors quickly remove his prized brain and pack it for transport. Soon it is airborne and on its way to a needy patient.

Several hours later, President Bush opens his eyes slowly. He glances around the emergency room. His eyes linger on the young 20-something nurse by his bed a little too long for Laura's comfort. A smile flashes across his face. Karl Rove looks at him lovingly, happily.

That smile won't last long asshole, he thinks to himself.



That is my rational argument for voting for Bush.

[radiclib]

25. Here's a popular one

Kerry LOOKS FRENCH!

[Name removed]

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[quaoar]

27. No you aren't

I'm one of the few who is apparently glad Saddam is in prison

Saddam is a genocidal maniac. The world is a better place without him. He deserves to swing from the gallows.

[Sensei]

28. cool beans

Good to know there is someone with sense. Sometimes I get really frustrated with both sides of the debate, so maybe that wasn't fair to say. Right is still right and wrong is still wrong, and Saddam is many shades of wrong.

[quaoar]

30. Saddam

Is just a worthless piece of shit. If the interim Iraqi government took him outside and had him shot, I would not shed a tear.

Of course, there are others who deserve similar fates. Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe, for one. Why haven't we done anything about him? Why have we forsaken the freedom-loving people of Zimbabwe?

[Sensei]

32. I agree about the marxist Mugabe

He's a racist, he's insane and he is destroying the country. And "we" aren't doing anything about it because there's nothing in it for "us". Kerry won't do anything about it either.

[Stuckinthebush]

53. What about Bush?

Is he many shades of right, or many shades of wrong.

Or perhaps he is just a few shades right or wrong.

[depakid]

33. Praying... proof positive of a rational argument!

LOL!

[Sensei]

34. you read the whole thing and that's all you got out of it

Well, you sure told me!

Yes, I pray and believe in the power of prayer. That fact had NOTHING to do with the argument I advanced in support of "four more years". What's wrong with your reading comprehension skills?

[depakid]

35. The point is that you didn't make a rational argument for Bush

Not believing that bush is going to destroy the world or asserting that Kerry is weak and a liar is conclusory. It's baseless and unsupported by any evidence.

In essense, you take it on faith.

[Sensei]

37. umm hmm

If Kerry wins, he will not be a good president. Better than Bush? Obviously that's the whole point. But better than Bush isn't saying much. If Kerry loses, in four more years this country could get someone who can run on more than "Well, I may be a liar and a jerk, but I'm not Bush".

In four years, what about an H. Clinton/B. Obama ticket? Won't happen if Kerry wins.

[depakid]

38. Again, that's a conclusory statement

not a rational argument.

You've cited no evidence to support your proposition that Kerry woudn't be a good president.

[Name removed]

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[depakid]

42. Assertions about Kerry are still not rational arguments

for voting for Bush. All you're doing is engaging in ad hominum attacks on his opponent- most of which are baseless assertions or question begging.

The original poster asked for a rational argument in favor of Bush being elected, and so far, you haven't made a single one. Even I can think of one.

[drdtroit]

48. 4 more years and you won't be voting next time

because there won't be a next time.

This isn't some video game going on, we are at a serious crossroad and we need someone who will look at the damned map.

[cynatnite]

36. Umm...no...don't have one.

I tried. I really really really tried and it :hurts:


Cyn:)

[keyzersoze13]

40. Rational Reasons

I really tried, but I can't think of one. He has failed in basically every sector of policy that he's been expected to perform in, from foreign policy, to education, to the environment, to health care, on and on and on.

Its like what Clinton said on The Daily Show, "If people think, then we win."

I suppose if you are in the wealthiest 1% of Americans, then 4 more years of W wouldn't hurt your bank account, but I can't see how any reasonable person would put money over greater security, a good environment, and a better education program. The other 99% of the electorate really has no excuse.

[TexasSissy]

41. God wants him to be President.

That's the rational argument given by a lot of his base. Scary.

[gulliver]

43. Rational doesn't mean smart.

Bush's supporters are mostly rational. They just stop trying to see through Bush just before the point where Bush becomes transparent.

People who buy into Ponzi schemes are rational, just stupid. Or rather they are behaving stupidly in buying into the scheme. It is the same for Bush supporters.

Mental laziness, greed, anger at the world. Those are the buttons pushed by con men.

[JSJ]

44. if you're greedy and bigoted (or vice versa), vote for boosh n/t

[BayouBengal07]

45. Hey he did pass...

the National Do-Not-Call List.


He's got my vote!

[cynatnite]

46. Crap!

Now, I gotta rethink this whole thing :eyes:


Cyn:)

[RadiDem]

49. Four more years might bring about a true revolution ?

maybe not

[Dem2theMax]

50. Oh, I think I have one!

"What's the rational argument for voting for Bush?"

Four more years of Emmy winning Daily Shows?

It's the ONLY rational thing I could think of. :silly:

[against all enemies]

52. I'd rather have a beer with him.

[dennis4868]

54. THERE ARE MANY REASONS....

Bush is decisive, does not flip flop, and was a true leader after 911!

NOT!

[GOPBasher]

55. I have some rational arguments to vote for Bush.

We can have more budget-busting tax cuts that will bankrupt the treasury. After a few more years of this, we can dismantle every single social program that sustains a health middle class. Then all the wealth in the country will be concentrated in the hands of 1% of the people.

We can also make some huge strides towards establishing a Christian theocracy in which everyone who is not a fundamentalist Christian will be persecuted. We'll teach "Creation Science" in our private schools. Gays will be locked up in prison, or maybe given the death penalty. Yeah!!!!

Hey, you said "rational" argument, not a "good" one. :evilgrin:

[THUNDER HANDS]

56. I'll give you one reason

Not *MY* reason, mind you, but a reason a bunch of very smart, very educated and reasoned persons I know will be voting for Bush...

Medical Liability Reform.

These people I speak of are doctors, of course. And they are scared to death of John Edwards.

Not a large enough group to swing an election, certainly. But you just asked for a real reason why someone would vote for him. That's one reason.

[sadiesworld]

61. Tell them about the proposed Indo-US FTA.

If it goes through (and it is SURE to w/ * in office) the door for Indian doctors will be flung wide open--no visas, no limitations.

It sure got my (doctor) brother's attention. He had the same concern regarding Edwards.

[shivaji]

57. Since you asked, I will make a list.....

1) $2000 child tax credit check
2) Reduction in capital gains & dividends...this helps me
a lot since I am unable to work due to health reasons,
and we are a one wage earner family.

Other than that I can't think of a single thing!

[democratreformed]

62. Shit! I forgot about those paltry child tax credit checks. Mine was

$400. Well, the dumb ass can't buy my vote for $400. Unfortunately, that's probably enough for some ppl.

[blondeatlast]

58. Is supidity rational? Otherwise, no. nt