For the level headed DU'ers, I have a strange dichotomy in my household between the candidates

[UALRBSofL]

I was having breakfast this morning with my partner and Senator McCain was speaking about the GI bill. I said, I could never vote for McCain. I said it might be a possibility Senator Obama might be the next president. He says, I will never vote for Obama because he is a corrupt politician from Chicago. I was a bit shocked. I said, granted our family supports Senator Clinton and will until an Official Nominee is determined but if it's Obama I'll vote for him. I said, Clinton was born and raised in Chicago and was influenced politically in her upbringing by the Chicago political machine, I said "Does that make her corrupt as well"? If this is guilt by association then both candidates were influenced by Chicago politics. Then I said, "you do know McCain is against civil rights and will never agree to equal rights for same sex couples like opposite sex couples get, marriage/tax's, etc". Anyway, I just thought it was odd he would say he wouldn't vote for Obama. Of course I am a staunch Clinton supporter and hope I get to vote for her in the GE but if that isn't the case I certainly wont sell my soul to a Bush Light. I laughed at him and said, "well, I suppose our votes will count each other out if it comes down to McCain/Obama". Has anyone else had this issue in their family?

Also, putting civil rights issues aside, I said, remember the Iraq occupation, choice, etc. Anyway, come the GE in november I will not let him vote for McCain. I will threaten divorcing him and taking the kids with me, LOL; our golden retrievers Samantha and Brinkley. I'm sure he would say that's fine, after 17 years I'll just get a newer model, LOL.

Anyway, y'all have a good day. This is a busy Memorial Weekend and it seems politicians locally have scheduled a lot of stuff. Our ribbon cutting is tomorrow for the new DEC office and I'm really excited about that. We've already started using it but we will officially be open tomorrow. Hope everyone has a good day and a great Memorial Weekend.

[beezlebum]

1. strange?

i don't think it's "strange," i think it's a bit uninformed- absolutely no offense whatsoever to you or your partner, but corrupt politician from chicago??

but moreover, voting/nv'ing against his own interests?! again not "strange," but silly- sounds like you've got some campaigning to do right there in your own home. :D

yes, though, i have gotten into heated arguments with my obama-supporting former republican (now calls himself independent) husband- similarly, he told me that if clinton is the nominee, he will either not vote or could possibly vote mccain if convinced.

have a nice day and weekend :hi:

[Mother Of Four]

2. We have a disparity in views here too...

(Edited for clarity) I'm a full "convert" away from Republican, I lean left and consider myself dem- but I can't decide which fits me better alot of times. Indy or Dem. I guess you could say I'm still "finding" myself. It's hard to relabel yourself. Hubby also calls himself an Indy but has a narrower view than I do.

I have two beautiful daughters and I don't want to see their rights stripped away from them. Even though I personally disagree with the premise of abortion, I still can see that there are times when its needed or deeply desired. If either of my daughters (Knock on wood, please no) ever find themselves in one of those positions I don't want their lives, mental health or financial health to be up to strangers.

As an aside, my uncle passed away some years back from liver cancer. My other uncle (his partner) wasn't allowed to see him in ICU even though they had been together longer than most marriages (For as long as I could remember, and I was I think 34 at the time)Equal rights no matter race, gender or orientation are a big deal to me.

We've had to stop discussing politics here at home because even in the off chance that HRC gets the nom, my husband refuses to vote for her. He'll vote Obama in a heartbeat, but if HRC is anywhere near the ticket he'll do a write in with Biden. Before anyone says that he's fueled by "Clinton hatred" it's not that. He thought Bill was a decent president, not fantastic but not foul. (His words)

He really can't stand her "changing with the wind" on positions he finds important.

My stance..We can NOT have a Republican in the whitehouse under any circumstances. The country, and our children can't afford it.
His stance..Anyone would be better than HRC.

You can imagine the uhm...debates we had before we declared the dinner table a no politics zone.

[CaptJasHook]

3. I think it is great and that you have your work cut out for you.

I have always believed that the fight for goodness and progress is hard and requires fortitude. Yet, in the end, truth always shines its light. My advice is to just start educating and asking a lot of questions.

In the end, the two of you will have to resolve these issues together and you will either know and respect each other better or you will find some painful points of separation. But to ignore something so fundamental as a discussion of values would be a mistake.

I am extremely fortunate in that my wife stays informed and has the same basic feeling that I do, that the race to the presidency is fundamentally flawed and never offers us truly the best candidate. So both of us go into the presidential election with a pragmatic view. For both of us, Obama is the more pragmatic candidate, not because he is some sort of saviour, far from it. He is most likely to inspire Progressive politics both in Washington and in down-ticket races. As for your partner, ask them if they truly want a split Washington right now. Do they really want a president who is going to veto, waste time with noxious Judicial branch appointments, and play politics for the next 4 years while our people are dying overseas? Pretty fundamental.

[CreekDog]

4. i am one of the lonely Obama supporters in my family

but none of us is so off our meds as to think we won't be voting for the Democrat this fall, no matter who he/she is.

think what a McCain appointment to the Supreme Court will do to gay rights. think about McCain's own corruption.

good luck to you. :hi:

[highplainsdem]

5. "He is a corrupt politician from Chicago" -- and you can expect the GOP to make that case.

Unfortunately, the more I learn about Obama, the more it looks as though this could be a very effective line of attack for them.

I've always voted Democratic. I've never given a second thought to voting for anyone except the Democratic candidate in the GE. At this time, I'm planning to vote for the Democratic nominee in November.

But Obama's background gives me pause. I don't believe his image. I do believe he's a very good salesman.

I also believe the GOP attack machine can be very effective, and the Obama supporters who idealize him have no idea what they're in for.

[GTurck]

6. I agree with most of what you said, but...

Hillary grew up in Glen Ellyn, a town in Du Page County that is and has always been a bastion for the GOP. It is part of Henry Hyde's old district. I doubt that she ever went into Chicago (no proof of that but many suburbanites don't).
It sounds crazy to say good things about R. J. Daley's machine but things worked for ordinary people for the most part. I went to 100 year old schools that were maintained well, walked sidewalks that were mostly fixed, had clean water, a park system that included the entire Lake Michigan lakefront and buses ran all day and all night. We even had an outstanding library system and museums and zoos that made Chicago one of the most visited cities in the world. I know that there were deals and bargains and money changing going on but it worked for almost 2 million people.

[ClassWarrior]

7. So he's willing to vote for a proven corrupt politician from Phoenix...

...based on a stereotype of Chicago politicians? Does your partner stereotype people often?

This is the problem that the Clinton bitter-enders are creating. In their blind allegiance to a personality, they're giving permission to less stalwart Dems to abandon the Party in the fall.

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

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