Odds of an Obama - Clinton ticket?

[jefferson_dem]

Poll question: Odds of an Obama - Clinton ticket?

In your opinion, what are the odds of an Obama - Clinton ticket?

...Not whether you think he SHOULD pick her as a running mate...

[Pirate Smile]

1. I think going public with the pressure killed any chance there was if there ever

was a chance. It would make Obama look weak with Bill in charge. There is no way Obama goes for that.

Of course, going public with the pressure may have been their only shot because other non-public options didn't work.

[CoffeeCat]

2. We've read about leaks...

...that she wants the vp slot, but Obama politely and firmly said no.

Therefore, there is a ZERO percent chance.

Expect lots of kicking and screaming from Hillary, and lots of reality manufacturing.

When Hillary believes she's entitled to something, and she doesn't get it--lots of
orchestrated temper tantrums and PR stunts will be unleashed.

No chance, whatsoever.

It makes sense that he will tell her 'no way.' He truly wants to change the country.
She is a dirty campaigner with no moral center. They absolutely are incompatible.

He's earned the right to pick his own running mate, no matter how much Bill thinks
Hillary "deserves" it.

[Khaotic]

3. Not Going to Happen

She's baggage.

Keeping her off the ticket will ensure a Democratic victory in November because it keeps the GOP enthusiasm down.

With Hillary on the ticket Rethugs will come out in droves just to vote against her.

They just don't have enough hate to care about Obama and they have no enthusiasm about McSame.

It's not being said, but Obama could win in 2008 the way Reagan won in 1980.

With Hillary on the ticket, the Obama campaign will have to deal w/ the politics of old and basically throw away the 50 State Strategy.

I don't see that happening. The Obama campaign has embraced Dean's 50 State Strategy and Democrats have been winning with it.

Time to turn the page and give a big 'fuck off' to the DLC.

Just say 'NO' to Hillary as VP.

[Cha]

14. Good post..I gotta

run but just had to say that.

[Khaotic]

32. Thx!

[saltpoint]

4. I'm at 10%.

It could happen.

I hope it doesn't.

[cloudythescribbler]

5. I emailed the URL of that 750+ rec thread to the Obama campaign, and ...

have been trying to insist to Tom Hayden (actually got emails back!) that a huge number of glitterati should put together one of those full page N Y Times ads insisting on NOT Hillary, and hopefully on someone who NEVER supported the Iraq War Resolution (IWR). If this happens, it will magnify the buzz in political discussion circles focusing on the downside of nominating HRC.

What are pundits like George Stephenopolous saying?

[jefferson_dem]

10. Hi Cloudy, Call me ignorant...

but where is that 750+ rec thread?

Thanks.

[Cha]

15. Brilliant..I'll throw in some

money! And kos has that petition going around the net..Keep hilary OFF.

[cloudythescribbler]

38. Good for Kos! Their petition should be posted on GD:P and KEPT KICKED ...

though there is the rational argument that it is no longer necessary.

My own "agenda" if you will, however, is that the VP nominee should be not only NOT HILLARY, but someone who, as Obama has emphasized, never supported the Iraq War Resolution (IWR) back when. At least a fig-leaf of pretense of not being THAT imperialistic would be nice. (Though not as nice as vibrant and thoroughgoing ANTI-imperialist government through and through, but that would be asking to be "raised higher than heaven" now wouldn't it?)

I also strongly feel that Obama should nominate a woman -- both as a principled issue and, this year, very much as realpolitik. I consider totally bogus the claim (which I've seen cited on DU), by some television commentator I can't remember, that if Obama picks a woman not Hillary, her supporters and feminists generally will be LESS likely to vote for the ticket, seeing it as a snub of Hillary. That was, to be fair, BEFORE the RFK comment, but was a pile of W even then.

[stillcool]

6. Death wish.

[jefferson_dem]

7. Wow. "Aint' gonna happen" is dominating this poll.

Sadly, I must be a bit more pessimistic - pegging the odds at "around 10%").

[Cha]

16. We're using our powers of

making it not happen.

[TexasObserver]

8. It's obvious she asked, he said NO, and now she's throwing her fit.

Hillary put out all the stories that the two campaigns are talking about VP, because Obama's camp got Axelrod out ASAP today to kill that story. The story came out through two Clinton tools - the NY Times and CNN, both of which are Hillary's useful idiots.

He shot her down, then he shot her lame ass story down.

Now they're threatening civil war. Let's get this over with, and drive this band of frauds back to Arkansas!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. 10%

After rounding up to the nearest double digit.

[IDemo]

11. You left off "Snowball meets blowtorch"

Ok, "O%, ain't gonna happen" is close enough, I guess.

[butterfly77]

12. It angers me everytime I hear someone suggest this...

as though she has some right over anyone else.

[Shoelace]

29. 17 million voters think she's got a right

and to throw that aside will be similar to jumping off a political cliff for Obama's campaign.

Sometimes politics come down to reality. Besides, the delegates will most likely decide who will be VP. Republicans are scared to death of a unity ticket which includes both of them. Their corporate media whores have already put her on their "ignore list" which I presume I'll get on here after my post.
Over and out.

[ima_sinnic]

33. ridiculous--voters were voting on her as presidential candidate, not VP

--VP slot is not the "consolation prize." and the delegates do NOT "decide who will be VP." that is Obama's choice and it will be confirmed as a formality by the superdelegates. The Republicans are NOT "scared to death" of a "unity ticket"--it is their fondest dream to have Hillary on a ticket so they can bring out their arsenal of scandal and slime that they have against her and all the repuke voters will be super-motivated to vote against her.

It is a dumb idea. Obama is his own person, not Hillary's little tool to be yanked around just because she stomps her foot, pouts, and throws a tantrum. And what about Bill? You think Obama wants to be in Bill's shadow? That would be a joke presidency and it will NEVER HAPPEN. She'll be lucky to be re-elected to the Senate after this, she is pathetic and disgusting, and a pathological LIAR.

[Dr Fate]

13. If Hillary had just laid off the Wright/Farrkkan crap, I'd be very open to it.

As it stands, I just dont see how she can go on TV and tell everyone how great her weather-terrortist-loving, elitist running mate with hateful (muslim?) spirtiual leanings is such a great guy.

She burnt that bridge herself, in my opinion....

[Divine Discontent]

18. good post

for a day or two, I give this a 50/50 chance, then I go back to 5%. If she were to drop out today or tomorrow, I would think it happened in private. Otherwise, why in the world would he pick her with all the hateful things she's said about him!? I'd be disappointed, and still vote for him, but I really prefer, oh, about 1000 other people over her...






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[Andy823]

25. At one time I too

Would have been open to it, but she went way to far in what she has said and done for me to ever think it would be a good idea for anyone but "McCain"!

[PBS Poll-435]

17. Which goes to show....

More people are against Hillary than for Obama.

[jefferson_dem]

19. That may or may not be true.

But this poll does not even speak to your assumption.

[PBS Poll-435]

23. Oh yes it does.

If *some* people weren't acting like spoiled children, we could finally have some unity.

Instead. ABC!!!!!!

[Hutzpa]

20. Wishful thinking n/t

[americanstranger]

21. Zero. and sinking.

Further damage at this point will be applied to Clinton's Senate gig.

- as

[baldguy]

22. McCain-Clinton has a better chance.

[BlooInBloo]

24. I've already bet a DUer on it - my vote is committed.

[WheelWalker]

26. Pretty plainly, it's 50% I think. It either will be Hillary, or it won't be.

[Swamp Rat]

27. Hillary would t be to Obama as Lieberman was to Gore: DLC Trojan Horses.

[rucky]

28. I'm giving it about 18.5%

Obama has a 25% chance of offering, and she has a 75% chance of accepting.

[ieoeja]

30. Reminder: the convention picks the VP.

Almost half the delegates are going to be Clinton's. She won't get the Supers to overrule the election, but she might get them to join her delegates in selecting her as Obama's running mate whether he likes it or not.

So I voted 25% out of fear Hillary might actually pull a stunt like this.

[sybylla]

31. and if a frog had wings...nt

[ima_sinnic]

34. wrong. Obama will have a VP picked way before the convention, and will have been running

wkth that person. Plus, word is, the delegates are not going to go against his wishes. OBAMA picks his running mate.

[LTR]

35. Not happening - Hillary's a loser

She'll drag down the ticket and constantly get in Obama's way.

He's too smart to agree to this compromise.

[jefferson_dem]

36. Ok...after today's disgusting comments by Hillary... and her fucked-up so-called apology...

the correct answer is 0%.

At least, it will give Obama enough rational for not picking her...if he needed any.

[Cha]

37. Yeah, hilary's at her finest when

getting hoisted on own petard. I told you it was 0%:(