Anyone else sick of intolerence

[Ignoramus]

Poll question: Anyone else sick of intolerence

[swag]

1. No, I'm just sick of ignorami

present company excepted, of course.

[Caution]

2. you are sick of it after 146 posts?

oh man...wait until you hit about 1000!

[mark414]

3. No. If you criticise Kerry, you are with the terrorists!

...just kidding

[indigobusiness]

4. I'm intolerant

of intolerance.

[The Magistrate]

5. Intolerance Of What, Sir?

Intolerance of defeatism?

Intolerance of panic?

Intolerance of parroting reactionary attack lines as if they were the principles of leftism?

Intolerance of persons who wish to see the worst elements of reaction win the election, in the deluded hope this will leave the most radical left elements in a position to run the Democratic Party, or to set up a party to replace it as the leading mass opponent of reaction?

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[chiburb]

6. Thank you Magistrate!

Psst: Sep. 5, Moody's...

[DaveinMD]

7. intolerance my ass

people on this site are talking about not voting for Kerry, saying there is no difference between the candidates. People should be called on that because doing so is enabling a second term for Shrub.

[michigandem2]

8. that would be very bad...

I hope that isn't true...we have to stick together to beat him...

[noahmijo]

9. I have no problem with people who dislike Kerry and state why

What grinds my nerves is when people especially on here spread LIES and play right into the neo-cons hands (oh Kerry's pro-war, Kerry agrees with Bush on the war, ect)

I mean I wish Kerry would push for legalizing gay marriage and universal healthcare too, but I'll happily settle for being against banning gay marriage on a federal level and lowering the cost of HMO's by subsidizing 75% of extreme claims by the govt as opposed to Bush's "fuck you just die" healthcare policy.

[West Coast Democrat]

10. As long as people realize there's a difference between...

constructive criticism and just plain whining.

[noahmijo]

11. EXACTLY that's what I'm saying

And that's the point I was trying to drive with me "for those of you having doubts about kerry" but I poorly made that clear but that's what I'm saying. Constructive criticism, talking about how we should contact his people get him to push this or that or the other thing that's cool, but simply "ohhh he's gotta earn my vote because....I don't like him cause....he's pro-war!!!"

:grr:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

12. I am sick of people who mistake disagreement for intolerance.

For instance, poster 'Joe Smith' who posts things like "I am so disillusioned now that Kerry said he supports the war."

And then, when poster 'Joe Jones' points out that Kerry didn't say that, 'Joe Smith' accuses 'Joe Jones' of intolerance -- that is what I am sick of.

[sangh0]

13. I'm sick of whiners

.

[ieoeja]

14. No. I am sick of people using DU's bandwidth against DU.

[bacchant]

15. A little reminder

If we're not free to question our elected Representatives, then why not just keep the shit government we've got now? I'm mean really, isn't one of the things we despise about Bush supporters, their insistence that we don't ever challenge the authority of the president?








P.S. Before you simply chuck me into the Troll Bin with the anarchists and RW impostors you're all raving about, you should know I'm a lifelong democrat who will vote for Kerry come hell or high water.

[sangh0]

16. Another little reminder

You are free to question whomever you wish to question, so please don't pretend that your freedoms are being infringed upon.

And the fact that you are a life-long Dem does not mean you can't be criticized.

[bacchant]

19. Nor does it mean that Kerry can't be, either n/t

[Feanorcurufinwe]

23. Why are you falsely implying that someone said Kerry can't be criticized?

It's not true, is it?

Please show us where someone said Kerry can't be criticized.

Please.

[Padraig18]

27. I'd like to see that ,too.

This is the second time tyhe poster has made that statement that I am personally aware of, and I haven't even read every single thread on the first page.

[Myrina]

29. Here you go ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=610464&mesg_id=610464

[Feanorcurufinwe]

35. Reading comprehension problem?

That post takes people to task for making posts incompatible with DU rules.


Here is a good and timely clarification of the rules from Skinner:

Yes, they have shifted in the sense that now we have a nominee. But we have not made any secret of the fact that once we have a nominee, we would have limits regarding how we wish for this website to be used. We anticipated this happenening, and we've had relevant rules on the books since way back in early 2003, before we had any clue who the Democratic nominee would be, or whether there was going to be a war in Iraq.

I think you aren't being totally fair when you say that "even implicit criticism of Kerry's position leads to censure." Yes, there are those here who don't tolerate any criticism of Kerry, but they are the exception, not the rule. But let's be honest here: neither of us is really talking about implicit criticism of Kerry, are we? We're talking about posts intended to persuade DU members not to vote for Kerry, which is what your posts did.

I think it's pretty clear from the context that the people who respond to such posts by telling people to vote for Bush or Nader are not actually approving of the act of voting for Bush or Nader. In fact, they are disapproving of the act. I'm not saying that those posts are all appropriate, but I think it's misleading to suggest that those people are stumping for Bush or Nader, when clearly they are not.

I guess if you are trying to figure out what the boundaries, here's the important part: If you're not voting for Kerry, and if you're trying to get other people to not vote for Kerry, then we would prefer that you not use our website to do so.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=120x20556

As you can see, you are allowed to be critical of Kerry on DU.

And as you may have discovered, other DUers are allowed to disagree with you. When someone disagrees with you, they are not expressing intolerance, they are expressing disagreement.

[sangh0]

37. There other possibilities

Hallucinigenics?

[Padraig18]

43. Show me the quote where it says that, Myrina.

As the author of the thread you cite, I am in a position to know what I wrote, and I most certainly did NOT write any such thing.

:wtf:

[Padraig18]

47. *crickets* n/t

[sangh0]

28. Has anyone disputed that, awake?

Or is it that without straw men like that, you'd have nothing to say?

[bacchant]

33. Ha give me a break! Button back out and read some of posts

where people dared to question Kerry's motives. Read the angry responses then come back and ask me that question with a straight face.

[sangh0]

36. Has anyone disputed that, awake?

I've read the responses, and none of them say you can't criticize Kerry. So now I'll ask you again, and hope this time you have the balls to defend yourself.

Has anyone said you are not allowed to criticize Kerry? If yes, please provide a link.

[Name removed]

39. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[sangh0]

41. "ostracized"??? That's a mighty big word for "criticized"

and everyone, EVERYONE, gets criticized on DU.

And I may be slow-boy, but you won't see me intimidated by name-callers

[bacchant]

50. Look at the deleted post above yours... need I say more? n/t

[TeacherCreature]

42. Oh please LOL

There is a gang of Kerry enforcers here and they make life miserable for anyone who dares to question anything. They are actually making the party sick, not helping a damn thing.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

46. Speaking of laughing out loud at someone's post.

Let's say for the sake of argument that someone on DU really wanted to 'make your life miserable' -- just how would they do that? By disagreeing with you? :eyes:

[Feanorcurufinwe]

18. How does your post relate to the topic of the thread?

Please explain.

[bacchant]

21. Earlier in another thread I made the mistake of questioning

Kerry's stance on the war. I'm a supporter of his because I want to be, not because it's expected. Frankly, the ideological purity bent here is a little disconcerting.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

22. So what? How does that relate to intolerance?

So you disagree with Kerry, or with the position you imagine he holds - and no doubt many DUers disagreed with your opinion.

I still don't see how that is related to intolerance. Please explain.

[Myrina]

25. Because those of us that voice our disagreement

... get nice little reminders like the post currently atop GD: 04 "Need we remind you that Kerry IS the nominee" and comments accusing us of being trolls or freeptards or flat out telling us to STFU or go away, simply because we haven't drank the Kerry Kool Aid and instead have dared to question a policy, a platform plank, a past vote, or a comment.

Sounds like intolerance to me ..... Seig Heil ? :shrug:

[sangh0]

30. So you think people who disagree with you are "intolerant"

but when you disagree with someone, it's not "intolerance"

[Feanorcurufinwe]

31. I'm sorry that you don't understand what the word intolerance means.

I guess it's one of the pot and kettle things.

[bacchant]

32. Eh... I got the impression that this thread was a response

to a bunch of earlier threads and polls attempting to paint people who had issues with Kerry (any at all), as whiners and troublemakers. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assumed this thread was a counter to posts like "Who else is sick of all the Kerry hand wringing?".

So... I added my support for concept of tolerance of differing opinions, that's all.

[sangh0]

38. I would suggest that you consider a thread to be about

whatever it says in the OP.

[bacchant]

51. Um... I did n/t

[hippiegranny]

17. i'm sick of disruptors

n/t

[bacchant]

20. Oops wrong spot, sorry. n/t

[TeacherCreature]

44. I'm sick of anyone who is not acting like a stepford democrat being called

a disruptor.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

48. It's against the rules to call someone a disruptor.

If you see any posts that accuse someone of being a disruptor, or attempting to use a cute way of skirting around the spirit of this rule, please hit alert.

BTW, namecalling of other DUers is also against the rules, so if you see any posts accussing someone of being a 'stepford democrat', please hit alert on those as well.

[JohnLocke]

24. I'm sick of push polls.

[yellowcanine]

26. Yes and I am not going to tolerate it any more!

Oh, never mind.

[Padraig18]

34. I'm sick of straw man arguments and polls. n/t

[goodhue]

40. Can't stand it.

Won't stand for it.
Must be stopped.

[Zynx]

45. Am I intolerant of left-wing defeatism? Hell yes!

I've been hearing since the '02 midterms how we have no chance to beat Bush and now that we are ahead, I'm still hearing it. For the love of God, shut up with your defeatist horseshit!

[demwing]

49. I can't tolerate intolerance.

Then again, "tolerant" is one of those words that set me on edge.

I don't want a society where the elite tolerate the poor, where the rulers tolerate the masses, where civil rights are merely tolerated.

It implies pity, or a inforced acceptance of that with which you disagree.

I want a society where people are respected, simply because they are people, and simply because respect is the human thing to do.