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xyboymil Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:08 PM
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Reality Check: John Kerry IS winning this election, STOP thinking anything
Edited on Wed Aug-11-04 09:11 PM by xyboymil
ELSE!

As a newer poster to this forum, I have been rather amazed at the panic and concern fellow Kerry supporters have had over a statement John Kerry made about the war in Iraq on Tuesday. The same statement that made some, but not alot of news yesterday, is today in the past and no longer a blurp on any national news front.

The statement Kerry made which Bush manipulated was exactly the kind of reaction Bush was hoping for: a over reaction by Kerry supporters and the "anti-war" voters who felt Kerry abadoned them. Many DU'ers appropriately posted the entire answer Kerry gave and after reading it, the spin Bush was placing on Kerry became exceedingly obvious.

Now today, I am reading posts and comments about "Why isnt Kerry fighting back?!" and "why doesnt Kerry come out an assault Bush on HIS flip-flops?" and "why won't Kerry clarify what he meant yesterday and call Bush out for his handling of the war?!" and "it's time for Kerry to go on the assault. Why won't he?"

The answer to all of the above questions is this: He doesn't need to.

John Kerry is winning this election my fellow Du'ers. Let me say that again. John Kerry is winning.. I dont take this stance from just the latest polls, which certainly help but they are far from telling the whole story.

I get this from observing not only the Kerry campaign, but also the Bush campaign. Kerry went into the Democratic Convention and played it like a song. He knew exactly what "bounce" he needed. It wasn't the 10-15 point bounce Republicans touted Kerry would receive. THAT was a ploy by the Republican Party to trick the American public into believing if Kerry didn't get that bounce, Kerry would look he failed to produce and the convention was a failure. This election is more polarized and has fewer undecided voters in it then in any previous election year in history. I am not that stupid and as informed voters, neither should you be to believe what the Republicans were predicting.

Nonetheless Kerry's bounce was huge. It was the huge increase Kerry received "to handle the responsibilites as commander in chief in a time of war" up to 48%, surpassing Bush at 47%, where pre-convention numbers was at a meager 39%.

Kerry's 2nd major increase was his own supporters confidence in him as their leader. Pre-convention support among democratic voters for Kerry was at about 62%. After the convention, it rocketed to 79% in one poll and 83% in another. The best Al Gore did was 67% in 2000.

That was the beginning of the increasing anxiety that has taken grip on the Bush campaign. Bush did't expect Kerry to unite democratics as he did and he sure hell wasn't thinking Kerry would get such a huge bounce in one area Bush was comfortably ahead in: The war on Terror.

So what does Bush do? He uses the one thing he has used over and over and over again in the last 4 years: fear. He issues a "terror alert" using 4-5 year old intelligence to get the American people off Kerry's success at the convention, Kerry's rising opinion as a leader and Bush's falling approval ratings (down to 42% in an Zogby poll). Bush changed subjects from "Kerry's solidifying this race as the frunt runner" to "be scared, be very scared."

More polling data is released and to Bush's dismay, Kerry is gaining ground on him as who would be a more decisive leader, who would unite other nations to support the US, and the worst of the worst: Kerry is pulling further away from Bush for the question of who would be better for the US economy.

So Bush gambles and during the week the US job report is due out, he stumps all around the country spewing lie after lie about how great the economy is, how many jobs have been created, and how "rosey" everything looks for the future. That Friday, BOOM! The Job Report shows a pathetic 32,000 jobs created far less then the 240,000 jobs expected. Bush is realing from front page headlines across every major newspaper statting the economy is slowing down, and to make matters worse, they revise the previous months job creation numbers showing even fewer jobs created in May and June.

Kerry smartly critizes the Bush Adminstartion on their net loss 1.1 million jobs since Bush was elected and the tax cuts for the rich have done nothing to stimulate job growth. Bush, who thought the economy was something he could gloat over, is suddenly reeling from bad economic news.

Now this week you are seeing a Bush Campaign on the offensive not because their ahead and looking to nail John Kerry but rather because they are scared, losing and anxious to find something, ANYTHING to stop the Kerry bandwagon.

Guess what? It's not working. Kerry knows he is ahead, he is winning, and smartly, he playing his cards conservatively and allowing Bush to slowly but surely to come undone.

There is no desire from Kerry to mount a sudden offensive attack against Bush because there is no need to. There is no need to do further clarify his statements from Tuesday because it's had no negative impact on him. There is no need to "blast Bush" on his failures on the war because that will come at the time of the debates where the american people will be tuned in.

Bush is losing my fellow Du'ers. The further he gets behind, the more the terror alerts will come. The more Bush is exposed for his lies and failures as President, the nastier the attacks on Kerry will become.

Sit back, relax and enjoy this. It is the slow but steady unraveling of a President who has less then 3 months before President-elect John Kerry is elected. Watch this increasing anxiety that is the Bush campaign turn to a full blown panic attack right before your eyes. :nuke:

November 2nd will be a sweet day indeed! :toast:





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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:10 PM
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1. That, my friend, was the best "new poster" post I've seen
Very well done. Very accurate. Very reasoned. You must be a freeper disruptor. ;) Kidding, of course.
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sangha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:10 PM
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2. The "panic" is 99% imported
from lands we dare not speak of
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joanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:18 PM
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7. Thanks for a wonderful, upbeat post!
And welcome to DU!! :hi:

:toast:
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:13 PM
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3. kicked and nominated n/t
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:15 PM
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4. Kerry is barely winning, but that doesn't mean he can't fall quickly
By the time we would get poll numbers showing he is losing, it could be too late to change course.

The Swift Vet Liars ads are the perfect example. By the time you see the polls moving because of those ads, it will be very late to respond. If people decide that Kerry isn't responding to the ads aggressively, so they must be true, then he will already be painted a certain way.

Read this thread and you'll see that the people "hand wringing" may be the ones who are right:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2199385

If you are overly optimistic and don't face reality, you are risking just as much, if not more, than those who are worried about Kerry's response on this issue.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:29 PM
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11. Remember Max Cleland
I am sure there were those who told him to ignore the vicious attacks made by Chambliss.

I agree the major thrust of Kerry's campaign should be a positive message about the future and not negative attacks. But I thought the idea was this time we were NOT going to let lies go unanswered.
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ranosgol Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:16 PM
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5. I question for Swift Boat crowd.
I would ask them what they though of Bush and Cheney's military record. Bush has never released his records fully and Cheney had none. The Swift Boat Veterans have made the news cycle for almost twenty fours hours. If some people believe their BS they deserve another 4 years of Bush.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:21 PM
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9. Almost 24 hours? They've been in the news for a 8 days at least!
Don't fool yourself, they have been big for 8 days now and we haven't been able to stop it yet.
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redstateblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:51 PM
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18. Lanny Davis Just Destroyed Pat B. On The Swift Boat Liars
There 100 times more inconsistencies in the Swift Boat liars accounts than in F 9/11. Lanny made pat B look foolish
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:18 PM
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6. Remember what happened with the Howard Dean scream???
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freetobegay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:25 PM
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10. No, what?
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:29 PM
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12. The media spun it like no tommorow, and Dean sunk like a stone.
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AVID Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:19 PM
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8. You sure know how to give a guy the warm fuzzies
Yea! What he said!
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olddem43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:33 PM
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13. I like it. But I would not characterize the Kerry campaign as
a "Bandwagon". I would prefer to think of it as a high speed freight train with four engines.
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Aunt Anti-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:36 PM
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14. Welcome to DU, xyboymil!
That was an excellent post for your first time. Very uplifting and it may even help me to sleep tonight. :)

Nice to meet you and glad you're with us.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:38 PM
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15. And this should encourage to continue to work and debunk the Reich Wing!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:39 PM
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16. Welcome to the DU, Xyboymil !
And what a great, positive post! :hi:
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:45 PM
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17. Thank you.
That is, by far, one of the MOST excellent posts I have EVER read on DU. It was simply SWEET. AWESOME! And so RIGHT.
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redstateblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 09:58 PM
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19. "The Note" ,Notoriously anti Kerry admitted today that the race
is Kerry's to lose. That may sound negative, but it's a sea change for them- They are smelling the fall of the Chimp
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 10:36 PM
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22. It's getting harder and harder for the media to deny.
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lupita Donating Member (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 10:01 PM
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20. Thank you so much for a well reasoned post! n/t
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mbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-11-04 10:34 PM
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21. Here in MD I've heard that people in some of our Republican areas
are clamoring to get Kerry yard signs and bumper stickers. You are soooo right in what you are saying. I still remember something Mary Matlin said about herself and the elder Bush in 1992. She said that they were the only two who were surprised he didn't win or something like that!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:20 AM
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23. An Excellent Commentary, Mr. Boymil!
My hat is off to you, Sir!

Welcome to the forum.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:45 AM
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24. Yaya, but we still may wish to be inspired
He can win by a field goal in OT and you'd be happy, I suppose. Like so many others. I still think the guy ought to win by representing the views of our party. We are not wrong, ya know.

Bush today said Kerry is reckless for wanting to take US troops out of Iraq quickly. IMHO, Kerry should say "Wait... He said I was reckless?

You might think that's going too far. I say that's a great sound bite that will get him plenty of free media, make a hell of a point, and seriously piss off Foxnews as well as all the other media whores.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:56 AM
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25. I like your optimism. welcome to DU and a toast.
:toast:
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xyboymil Donating Member (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 08:54 AM
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26. Thanks for the welcome wishes! Kerry will prevail!
I have read everyones posts and all of you make good points.

Kerry is not likely to take a lot of risks at this point because he is ahead.

Does that mean Kerry needs to just sit back and relax until Nov. 2nd? Hell no!

The time will come for the offensive attack. But right now, things are not going well in Iraq, the economy is slowing down, and we all know Bush sucks as a debater.

Kerry is watching him sramble to get ahead. Bush's risks will not always go his way. Kerry knows that and he is he waiting for the moment he slits his own throat (like gloating about the economy before black Friday came last week), then Kerry will take advantage.

Hang in there everyone! Things are going well!
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 09:09 AM
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27. THAT was excellent! I loved it and THANKS! nt
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