Daily Show just RIPPED Nader

[ButterflyBlood]

Exposing his Republican suppport! It was excellent!

[Stuckinthebush]

1. My wife and I were watching that...

I told her about the conversations her about this topic. We both agreed that we can't be too pissed off at the GOP for trying to get Nader on ballots, because that is one way they can get their guy to win.

The person to be pissed off at is Nader.

[Doomsayer13]

2. The young CSE caller was a friend of mine from highschool

He's a semi-intelligent guy... I can't believe he's still a Republican.

[blondeatlast]

6. With all due respect, that guy had NO sense of humor.

Reason #49 why I'm not a conservative.

[LimpingLib]

3. Awsome!To hell with substance and issues!Go get em boy(thats sarcastic)

All the major laws since 1966 aside from Family and Medical leave were thansk to nader and progressives standing for soemthing.

motor vehichle safety laws
Safe Drinking Water Act
OSHA
EPA
Consumer Product Safety Administration
Freedom Of Information Act of 1974


True the internet was something I owe a big thanks to Gore for (and Im being honest , he really did make a difference)but as far as legislative victorys for consumer protections as well as tons of other fights we didnt win , Nader clearly has been a mover and shaker for normal Americans.

These clowns that want to bash him are just pathetic. Nader has done more than the roster of jerkoffs in congress today and that is just a fact.

If Nader cant get signatures fom progressives then his vote total shouldnt be anything to worry about. Sadly the progressive movment is clearly weakened , thats evident based on his low signature total from none GOP sources. Nader hasnt bothered much to go for signatures as he knows he cant accomplish much running for president but he knows he needs to be there for us incase we wake up , get some pride ,and start fighting again(I know I dont have any pride left however).

To make an issue out of the signatures the way loosers (loosers if the people making the issue are genuine progressives or phoneys if they arent and frankly I think many are the latter , an even bigger problem)keep doing misses the whole point. Nader needs to ignore the bs he is getting from the clowns and take legal action against those who are trying to subvert the democratic rights of Americans who might want to vote for change, and it aint the GOP folks!!

[mac56]

4. Even the most strident Nader opponent will agree

that he's done some wonderful things, and spearheaded many more.

He pissed it all away, however, in 2000.

And it looks as though he'd like to do so again.

It's not a "loser/phony" issue to identify where his signatures are coming from. Nader is being used as a GOP tool. Unwittingly? Hard to believe he'd be that stupid or naive. Voluntarily? That's the possibility that makes me saddest. I once admired the man.

[LimpingLib]

8. 30 years

We are certainly loosers if our goals are progressive ones.Just look at what we have accomplished in the last 30 years. And no you arent going blind , there really is nothing to see.

I dont think Nader should care about our "dissapointment" in him. heck he should take one look at us and then wear our constant bickering at him as a badge of honor. All we do is look toward the next election every 2 years and thats it.We win some we loose some. Since all Naders accomplishments prior to 1976 , we have held congress a bit more often than the GOP , and held the White House a bit less but nearly 50-50 overall.What do we have to show?

I almost think we Democrats should just stop claimming to be progressives (with an actual agenda) and admit we are in it just to throw a midnight party every other first November Wednesday on even numbered years.Let the right wing have their party and let the progressives find a party or partys to represent them.

Or we can just keep playing this half baked game and hope any real progressives that have stature and credibility to run as an Indi or 3rd party nominee just get too few in number and too old to run. And if they manage to stick it out through unbelievable stubborness then we can just tar them with endless crap and accuse them of being on an ego trip (which btw was the same endless charge GOP talking heads leveled at Perot depite the fact that perot represented actual issues that the GOP didnt share)when they manage to scrape up enough progressive votes to slightly register.

Nader really pissed it away in 2000? What did he piss away? Gore bragging to raise "defence" spending twice as much as Bush ? Gore calling Bill Bradleys minor $60 billion a year health care plan "too expensive" ? Gores $6.65 an hour minninum wage? The only pissing away I saw was the 49% of Americans not voting because populist progressive positions (represented by Nader and Nader only)were not allowed to be introduced into the campaign. It was a dying gasp of an effort. Nader and the average Americans that donated an unreal $8 million to him were poo poo'ed and shit on endlessly by elites and "loosers" (average joes ,also calling themselves progressives though they may be phonneys)and all the false charges that Nader had to respond to instead of talking issues and debating just grounded the noble effort.You can piss on a turd all you want IMO.Whats the bid deal?

I (being the idiot I am)figure this is last time I will listen to people say "we must win" "we must win THIS TIME" , "2004 is different ...trust me" "we didnt mean it when we said 1976 1978 1980 1982 1984 1986 1988 1990 1992 1994 1996 1998 2000 2002 was the respective election to end all elections and solve all our problems but THIS ONE IS" and will vote for Kerry. I tell you its the last time. If we loose this time (Im beginning to finally wonder if there is even a difference between "winning" or loosing)and then try to blame it on somebody else or win and then dont do anything helpful for average Americans then NEVER AGAIN should any progressive worry about what somebody obsessed with "winning" lectures them over.

And all the smears on Nader or false charges ("we always loose because of those darn 'marxists' in our party")at progressive voters wont change the reality. Post 2004, progressives need to declair 100% loyalty to results and sincere vision and policy plans.Worry about the 50% that dont vote and not worry about the same loosers that want to lecture every 2 years about "how to win" .

[jpgray]

5. Ralph cares only about Ralph these days

If you want proof, ask yourself what he has done lately. He's spoken and written, and he's run as a failed candidate for president. He's made his pile, and now he can run on pure ego--he doesn't even bother matching his actions to his words these days. He invests in Raytheon, General Dynamics and other nasty corporations--his 2000 campaign lambasted Gore for Occidental Oil investments he himself holds. He used to be a consumer advocate, but these days he's your garden variety hypocrite politician. He wouldn't be unique except he keeps trying to convince naive folks that he's something different. He isn't. Making money off the bombs dropped on Iraqi kids while taking cash from dumb kids here who oppose the war is nothing to be proud of

[LimpingLib]

9. Boy you sound as if corperate loopholes and welfare will be ended by Kerry

The top 400 income tax payers making $175 million or more each pay 22% in income taxes on average despite the tax rate being 39.6%.

Kerry claims to want to increase the wealthy's taxes from the 34% level of the projected Bush cut back up to 39.6%. Nader always (despite being labeled extreme and out of touch)said when asked about his tax policy that he wouldnt raise taxes on anybody but end all loopholes which cost several hundred billion dollars a year. Much more revenue saved than a tiny tax increase and politicaly smart and education to Americans that dont know how the game works.

But you are going to get your (last)chance to prove it when Kerry is elected with MY VOTE.

We shall see.

We shall see.

[mac56]

14. You're voting for Kerry. That's the main thing.

Direct all the heat you can toward him once he's in office. I suspect you'll be more satisfied with the results and the responsiveness than you would be if Nader were in office, and certainly more than if we're stuck with Whistleass for another four.

Yes, a vote for Kerry is your smartest choice.

[jpgray]

18. Oh I generally prefer Nader's stances to Kerry's

But I don't think Nader's faults cease to exist simply because Kerry's platform is mainstream, centrist and establishment. If Nader is only good in comparison to Kerry, aren't we back to the lesser of two evils bit that a vote for Nader is supposed to avoid?

[blondeatlast]

7. He's done some wonderful things for the American citizenry,

but all his good deeds are going to hell in a handbasket now. He's taking oodles of funds from people who specifically want to destroy nearly every piece of legislation you've mentioned.

I'm supposed to CONGRATULATE him.

He fooled me once--shame on him.

I refuse the "shame on me."

edit: I meant "awfully good"

[Cheswick2.0]

11. really?

I don't think Nader wrote or sponsored any of that legislationn or did he find the funding, nor did he vote for it in congress.

I am a genuine liberal and Nader does not speak for me. I hope he has a stroke and gets stuck in a nursing home. Mr Multi Millionaire will be a lot better off than the seniors who have fallen through the cracks due to St Ralph's efforts on behalf of bush in 2000.

[Killarney]

12. couldn't agree more

[Zynx]

13. I agree entirely.

I don't credit Nader with those bills anymore than I would credit Nixon with most of them.

[LimpingLib]

15. How was Gores prescription drug plan different than what passed?

(true the HMO funding wouldnt have been in Gores bill, and true that is a little sneaky element that could untimatly literally ruin medicare , but few Democrats even debated that part of the bill so it was essentially a none issue)

Besides it passed with enough votes to overide a veto in the Senate. You know the body with all the "respectable estemed gentlemen" of the "highest crust of society" or anotherwords "electable Democrats" we keep getting shoved down our throats.

True the Hosue is clooser to the people and it just barely passed but if Gore was promoting the exact same plan then enough Democrat would have supported it (while loosing GOP votes however, again out of sheer partisanship).

Its like the tax cut fight. When Bush while battling McCain announced his tax cut plan , it started at $400 billion. By the time the election with Gore was over it was $1.2 trillion and Gore was at 800 million. Bush conceded the "bidding war" on defence spending to Gore when Gore bragged in a debate that Bush would only increase it $45 billion where as he would do a $90 billion increace.

I dont remember Gore promising any price controls but I could be wrong. Regardless its the culture of "electability" and the 2 year myopia that has such lousey Democrats in the Senate anyway. Max Baucus pushed hard for the rotton Medicare drug legislation and some will say he is the best we can do in Montana. The first 18 years he was winning statewide , we also had staunch liberal Pat Wiliams doing the same from 1978-1996 including a 1992 race against a GOP incumbent in a member verse member race when Montanna went from 2 congresscritter seats down to just 1 after the 1990 census. He also held on in 1994.

[Cheswick2.0]

16. I am really uninterested in hearing anymore Nadershit about Gore

I have read it all before.

[LimpingLib]

17. Glad you have your eye on the ball

Nader is the reason the sun goes down at night. Nader is the reason we dont have anything to brag about over the past 30 years.


I dont want to bash Gore. I am glad he came around to supporting single payer healthcare. Maybe if he listened to the people instead of paid "experts" who only care about winning an not rocking the boat then he would have done better.

Nader is no longer the issue and Im not too interested in hearing about him. If anything he is a symptom.Just 1 of many.And its the average Americans symptoms that we need to worry about. Not some charge of egotism and somebodys corperate connections (where Nader doesnt even hold a candlestick compared to most).

[ScreamingMeemie]

10. That was the best...ever!

The Daily Show is getting to be the only thing I watch on T.V. these days. All is right with the world for one half hour.