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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 11:59 AM
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Why Dem Strategist is right.
Edited on Thu Aug-12-04 12:04 PM by Brotherjohn
See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=612933&mesg_id=612933
and
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=613305&mesg_id=613305

Dem Strategist this morning posted this:
"John Kerry's chief opponent is NOT George Bush. It's the media. And you can help defeat Bush by doing everything in your power to fight media spin."

Three things I was thinking about this morning reveal this to be the absolute truth, but to levels of absurdity even I had not realized. I mean, we've all come to accept these things as simply the day to day way the campaign is going. But I tried to view them from a distance, and I saw just HOW ridiculous they were, just HOW far gone the media has been.

1) Kerry is spending his time trying to explain his VOTE on the IWR, when it is BUSH who should be explaining his DECISION to GO to war! This is absurd.
2) Ads are running nationwide, and all the political talk shows are spending days questioning KERRY's Silver Star/Bronze Star/3 Purple Heart military record, when it is BUSH's AWOL/Vietnam dodging (and possible drug-related avoidance of his flight physical) military record receives relatively little criticism and questioning. This is absurd.
3) The Bush White House admits to outing an undercover Al Qaeda double-agent, an act which has (according to our allies Great Britain and Pakistan) botched the arrests of numerous Al Qaeda terrorists, and no one is saying a word about it. This on the heels of the political outing of undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame (does anyone realize this White House is under CRIMINAL investigation?) This is absurd.

This is all due to the media. If the media were doing its job, Bush would already have been impeached based on #1, disgraced by #2 (both on the count of his now proven AWOL status and his implicit acceptance of the disgraceful attacks on Kerry, a genuine war hero), and a second round of impeachment proceedings would just be getting under way based on #3. If this were the Clinton presidency, all of that would have already happened (Hell, it DID! But the best ammo they had on Clinton was a mutual marital indiscretion.)

Dem Strategist also wrote:
"This is the first step. The next discussion we should have is about the one-dimensional responses to the Kerry-Edwards strategy. Some of you are playing checkers while Kerry is playing chess. "

That is SO on the button. Look, Kerry DID vote for the IWR. He will always have some level of responsibility with regards to the Iraq War. That is simply a fact. He can't (and won't) run away from that, even though it can be used (is being used) to paint him as "the same as Bush".

But Bush is trying to make him admit that was a mistake, and therefore paint him with the "ultimate flip-flop". That would single-handedly doom Kerry.

Kerry has been playing what is inarguably an awkward issue with nuance and finesse. There are other issues (including on Iraq) sufficient to undo Bush. Kerry IS, in fact, playing chess. He's giving Bush a knight so Bush doesn't take his Queen. He knows what he's doing.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 12:01 PM
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1. You're 150% right
And I wish many more here would realize that as well.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 12:03 PM
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2. ".... it's the media." Of course it is.
Given a fair & accurate presentation of the two candidates, who in their right mind would vote for Bush????
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4morewars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 12:05 PM
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3. We have to stop playing defense...
And start playing offense for awhile. It is absurd that a decorated 'Nam vet has to defend his record to a deserter !!! Bush was a cheerleader for fuck sake !!!! A fuckin cheerleader !!!!
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aldian159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 12:05 PM
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4. Wow, great conclusions
Very good indeed.
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lunarboy13 Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 12:05 PM
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5. Excellent Post
I agree 1000%...

And I agree with the Dem-Strategist as well. We need to get more involved. Freepers get together and send in thousands of e-mails all the time. It's about time we strike back with our own media onslaught. We should write e-mails to media outlets in the same way we DU a poll.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 12:12 PM
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6. E-MAILS are not the answer!!!
Paper letters carry the weight of 100 communications.

If you can write an email, you can take ten seconds more to print out the page, put it in an envelope, and stamp it.

Voila. Your communication is worth 100 times more!

E-mails are ignored.

Paper letters influence.
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lunarboy13 Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:30 PM
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15. Good Point...
But both can be effective as well. Case in point: Chris Mathews is having O'Neill on as a Hardball guest. This wasn't known in time for a letter to be mailed and read before airtime. Sometimes news happens so fast that e-mails are the only way to respond in time.

However, you are correct in pointing out that paper gets the point across more effectively. And that a huge letter-writing campaign can have a great impact (intellectually and visually).
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 12:21 PM
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7. Responses....
1) Kerry is spending his time trying to explain his VOTE on the IWR, when it is BUSH who should be explaining his DECISION to GO to war! This is absurd.

Could you please provode a link from the Kerry Campaign that backs your assertion on this point? IMHO, I doubt seriously if Kerry is spending much time at all on this issue.

2) Ads are running nationwide, and all the political talk shows are spending days questioning KERRY's Silver Star/Bronze Star/3 Purple Heart military record, when it is BUSH's AWOL/Vietnam dodging (and possible drug-related avoidance of his flight physical) military record receives relatively little criticism and questioning. This is absurd.

Blame the captive mainstream media for this one. But what effect is this having on the polls? I keep seeing one poll after another that shows Kerry going ahead in key battleground states Michigan and Florida.

3) The Bush White House admits to outing an undercover Al Qaeda double-agent, an act which has (according to our allies Great Britain and Pakistan) botched the arrests of numerous Al Qaeda terrorists, and no one is saying a word about it. This on the heels of the political outing of undercover CIA agent Valerie Plame (does anyone realize this White House is under CRIMINAL investigation?) This is absurd.

Again, blame the media for making this a back-page issue. But, what if indictments in the Plame case are made public after the GOP Convention? What if FratBoy and/or Big Dick are named unindicted co-conspirators? As far as the undercover Al Qaeda double-agent goes, our laws may not cover an individual who is paid on a contractual basis and is not a U. S. citizen.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 12:34 PM
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8. Response to responses... I generally agree with what you say.
1) Perhaps I should have said "the media is concentrating on Kerry's attempt at explaining..." I know he and his campaign have thoroughly addressed this issue. The media continue to harp on it.

2) I agree that it is not necessarily having an effect on the polls. It may even be backfiring on Bush. But the media is not helping things. They are complicit with the Bush strategy. More people need to call them on it. That can only help things (even moreso, if it is indeed backfiring on Bush). It IS, as I say, absurd.

3) Whether or not Bush could be impeached over this is questionable, but that deals mostly with whether or not he knew about it, not the law. "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" is whatever Congress decides it is. Last time, it was a lying about a consensual sexual affair. Admittedly, it'll never happen with this Congress. But if the media were doing their homework, there'd be a WHOLE LOT more outrage. I mean, aren't we AT WAR with Al Qaeda? And didn't that one act specifically and concretely HELP AL QAEDA?
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 12:59 PM
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9. I couldn't agree more!
Some posters here are wanting Kerry to shoot himself in the head over the IWR vote, and will then bitch about him dropping like a stone in the polls after he does. As Pogo said in his comic strip, "We have met the enemy, and he is us."
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:02 PM
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11. Yes. And last I checked, he's going UP in the polls, and leads Bush...
... in just about every poll (and significantly in most).

He must be doing something right!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:01 PM
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10. Thank you for this, BrotherJohn!
It's crazy and we need to turn this around! That's why I immediately jumped on this thought train.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:03 PM
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12. and the checker players count too is all I am saying. The checker players
are usually those who enable the chess players to play chess.
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:24 PM
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13. Yes, we count. But we don't run his campaign.
If he were president, then it would be somewhat of an affront for him to ignore his base and do whatever the hell he wanted. He would be working for us (literally our employee) as president.

But as a candidate, he is free to run his campaign any way he likes. No one is saying his base doesn't matter. But it is up to him and his staff alone to decide how to address issues in the campaign.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 01:27 PM
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14. and to pay the price for mistakes made.
:hi:
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Brotherjohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 02:15 PM
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16. Of course. He's the one running. It hurts sometimes, but we've got to...
... let him handle some things the way he sees fit.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 02:16 PM
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17. That's the thing with democracy
Even the candidates are free to make their own decisions.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 02:58 PM
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18. and pay for them either way.
:hi:
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 03:06 PM
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19. That's what democracy is about
Freedom's just another word for "nothing left to lose"...
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