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aaroh Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:11 PM
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John Edwards takes the cake as Veep

Obama/Edwards : 51%
McCain/huckabee: 39%

Obama/Edwards : 51%
McCain/Romney : 38 %

Obama/Edwards : 53%
McCain/Pawlenty: 35%

Obama/Edwards : 50%
McCain/Liberman: 38%

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=b03c08ab-30b9-463d-8be2-5cb118e05b74

I was for Sebelius as VP but I don't know anymore, her poll numbers looks weak compared to John Edwards. It seems a Edwards ticket will be a cake-walk for Obama in the GE. NC becomes an in-play state.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:16 PM
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1. I am not sure. As an Edwards' refugee, I am really liking him for AG.
Thinking Richardson for Veep and Biden for SoS.

John would have greater teeth as AG, IMO -- given the message that he wants to send.

I trust his judgment on this, and if it can kick a few votes on name recognition from 2004 or those like me that simply think he is the man with the message (and Barack the one with the means), then I am all for it.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:11 PM
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11. I'm with you exactly!
I love Edwards and would like to see him play a big part - he could be HEW Secretary, He could be AG,

They could Create a position to fill his specific talents

But as much as I love him (and Elizabeth) and I do, I wouldn't think he is the best choice for VP.


I'm thinking Richardson or Biden or even Clark - can't lose IMHO.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:47 PM
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15. I agree
John can do better as AG or even Sec. of Labor perhaps...
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Skrelnick Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:53 AM
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29. Like moving a pawn in a chess game. LOL.
Couldn't resist =)

Edwards from VP-1 to AG-1. Check.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:18 PM
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2. Edwards has more name recognition than Sebelius
Give her time, and you'll see the poll #'s climb. I would like Edwards just fine as VP if it happened, though.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:33 AM
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24. Yes, but does Obama have that kind of time?
If he wraps up the nomination next week, the GE will be 154 days away.

If she takes it all the way to the convention then he will have about 60 days.

It's imperative he take someone who has some name recognition already OR who has been on the national scene for a while and can point to a lengthy resume of service to the country, in other words someone who even if not well known already, has instant credibility nationally among the press, the well informed etc.

33% of the electorate thinks Obama is Muslim or doesn't know that he's a Christian. 154 days isn't enough time to educate the electorate about the main candidate, let alone the VP candidate as well.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:32 PM
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3. I'd love an Obama/Edwards ticket
But I don't think it's going to happen.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:41 PM
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4. yeah edwards sure helped kerry win NC nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:48 PM
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5. NO
the co-sponsor of that piece of SHIT IWR does NOT need to be VP.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:50 PM
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6. Limited choices in that poll. Poor guide.
Where was richardson or several other likely possiblities?
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:52 PM
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7. I like Edwards but I think he is bad luck.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:52 PM
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8. It's name recognition essentially
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:58 PM
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9. When the campaigns do polling on VP
Edited on Tue May-27-08 08:59 PM by Jake3463
They don't do names they do demographic, issue, and geographic information.

So for Sebelius it would be a white catholic woman govenor with a history of working accross the aisle from a midwestern state.

Edwards would be a white protestant southern male senator with a history of working against poverty from the south.

They do this to avoid the name recognition.

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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:08 PM
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10. It will never happen, and I would never vote for that ticket.
I live in Illinois, and Mr. Obama will get 70%+ of the vote without my help if he chooses Edwards as VP.

There just isn't a Democratic politician that I dislike more than John Edwards, and after biting my tongue in 2004 and voting for him as veep, I refuse to do so again.

Besides which, Edwards would be the worst possible VP pick for Obama. It would be his fourth campaign platform in four years, only furthering suggestions that he is a phony. Not to mention that it is quite a stretch to run a campaign based on "change" if you are running reruns.

Polls like this really aren't indicative of anything. John Edwards is just one of the few names listed above that most people have heard of.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:40 PM
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12. One thing for sure
He would be 100 times better than Hillary!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:44 PM
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14. So you dislike Edwards more than you want to support a Democratic Presidential nominee.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:57 PM
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16. Like I said. I live in Illinois.
I don't think I would harm Mr. Obama's by leaving the top of the ticket blank in the very unlikely case of Edwards being the VP.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:26 AM
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23. C'mon he's not that bad. Sheesh.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:53 AM
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28. He is to me, and that's all that matters when I enter the ballot box.
nt
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:09 AM
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31. HE CO-SPONSORED IWR
HIS CREDIBILITY AND JUDGEMENT ARE SHOT
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:20 AM
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32. Well folks in Ohio appear to disagree with you, preferring Edwards
to other veep picks versus McCain and whoever McCain's picks.

By persuasive margins, at that.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:45 AM
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33. A single poll is not definitive.
Edwards did nothing to even move Bush's margin of victory in his home state of NC in 2004, I don't know what would have changed so much to make his being on the ticket this time such a big factor.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:58 AM
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34. A single poll claims only its own range and serves as a snapshot.
I got that point, but the evidence suggests that Edwards would be a plus to Barack Obama.

Edwards enjoys more support in the party, not less, now than in 04.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:07 AM
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35. The 2008 primary process certainly didn't suggest that.
nt
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:08 AM
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36. It did, actually. And persuasively, too. Edwards defeated Clinton in Iowa,
second behind Obama's first-place showing.

Edwards retains significant support and has far, far lower negatives than Clinton.

Your assessment short-changes a lot of Democrats.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:40 PM
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38. He had a strong showing in Iowa, where he basically lived since 2005
And then he fell off the radar.

Edwards proved ineffective, and even counterproductive, as a VP candidate according to many Kerry surrogates, and the bottom line is that he performed very poorly in the 2008 primary process. He won't be on the ticket, and I hope he never again has a place in government.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:33 PM
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40. He was still polling 7% after not one second of campaigning in W. Virginia,
Edited on Wed May-28-08 08:45 PM by Old Crusoe
and retains the affection of a huge swath of working class Democrats, quite a few of my acquaintence.

Bonior and Penn are two entirely different cuts of Democratic cloth.

That's a very reliable hinge insight into why voters are drawn to a given candidate. Who benefits in an HClinton America versus who would benefit in an Edwards America?

If you ask union people, they'll tell you.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:43 PM
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13. I like him, but I wonder if these numbers are REALLY accurate, if so, he's got to be VEEP
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:00 PM
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17. Webb is a better choice
I love Edwards but I don't think he carried his own state... I hear the NC'ers don't like him much...
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:20 PM
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18. Obama/Clark. You'll have two candidates w/no Natl. Sec. experience w/Edwards.
Edwards has the same strengths and weaknesses as Obama.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:33 PM
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19. Edwards won't play second fiddle twice
He's earned a cabinet appointment, most likely AG. But there is no way in hell he would consent to being a perpetual also-ran.

Jim Webb would be the most credible and electable choice Obama could make. Read "A Time To Fight" and absorb his lessons about the Middle East. He would be the best national security advisor Obama could hope for, since that is where the junior Illinois senator lacks the most acumen. Obama talks 'change', and Webb would actually deliver it.

I'd rather Webb be at the top of the ticket, but being too late for that, why not set him up for 2012 or 2016?
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:47 AM
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25. I think Edwards would take it, if he thought they could win.
Why not? Being VP is probably his best (and possibly only) path to the Presidency in 2016. I would imagine he'd still have interest in being President in 8 years.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:36 PM
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20. Obama and Edwards could do a lot
together. I can't wait for an Obama admin and see how well it all plays out.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:48 PM
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21. I think it's an issue of "known" versus "unknown".
The polling seems to be better when both McCain and Obama are matched up with "known" commodities. I'm not exactly sure about this, but I think Obama will have a lot of "re-introducing" to do during this General Election campaign. I know the man, I like him, and understand his positions. However, I think the biggest issue he might have with those that went for Hillary is that they still believe they don't "know" him. Regarding his VP pick, I think he's got enough work ahead of him getting acquainted/reacquainted with these people already. Doing the same for his VP pick might be asking just a little too much.
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:23 AM
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22. Edwards is my first choice for VP! :)
Sure, he says he's not interested NOW, but I bet you if he were indeed offered it (which I happen to believe he will be), he'd reconsider that pretty quick..he's probably just downplaying expectations. ;) lol. And these poll numbers probably help!

Yeah, he was on the ticket last time, but I actually think he may well be one of those few people who could actually pull it off better a second time. As much as I like Kerry, I think Obama is an even stronger candidate on a lot of levels and I think Edwards, while good back then, has finetuned himself as a candidate since '04 and has become even stronger. So I'm really crossing my fingers for this particular matchup!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:48 AM
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26. However Obama wants to recruit and field his team I trust his decisions.
As for Edwards, this is the time for a pro-Labor presence, and that could be realized in any number of ways. I'd want pro-people policies at the forefront of any new administration, and John Edwards would reinforce that emphasis at every step.

AG, Labor, Health & Human Services, Veep -- all of that, any of that, and maybe something else.

Just put great people into influential positions and play ball. Bush put Cheney in charge of his veep search and Cheney said, "Well, hell, if I'm in my undisclosed location and this fool of a Texas governor can stumble his way thru a few press conferences, I'm free to essentially bomb the crap out of anywhere I want and lie my way thru 8 years of pro-corporate thuggery."


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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:51 AM
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27. I have to agree, I've trusted Obama's judgment up until now and will continue to do so
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:56 AM
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30. Sebelius would be a great president one day, but she doesn't bring much to the ticket as VP
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:46 AM
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37. I hope not.
Edited on Wed May-28-08 04:47 AM by cornermouse
I think whoever takes office after Bush will be a one-termer due to deep anger at financial circumstances for most of us which I don't think will end during the next 4 years and refusal to take all troops out of Iraq.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:43 PM
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39. Edwards is just the emotional pick. I like Mark Warner
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