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Dem_Strategist (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 08:47 AM Original message |
Dem Strategist: Using Political Judo against Swift Boat Liars for Bush |
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T Roosevelt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. Aren't there times when Political Karate is more appropriate? |
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Dem_Strategist (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 08:53 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yes. This was not one of those times |
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T Roosevelt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:06 AM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I realize the Swift Boat Liars were going to implode on their own |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. That is my concern as well. |
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Dem_Strategist (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:27 AM Response to Reply #7 |
22. Each of these is handled differently |
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shugah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
82. hi dem_strategist! |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-14-04 05:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
99. Jeez. I wonder what it would take for you guys to get tough.. |
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AngryAmish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
3. huh? |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Let the media handle it. |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:36 AM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Mathews handed O'Neill his behind last night. |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:13 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. Tweety was great yesterday. He exposed O'Neill for what he |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 11:24 AM Response to Reply #34 |
51. I agree O'Neill REALLY looked bad |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
4. Although the Smear boat Vets For Bush have infuriated me |
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Dem_Strategist (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
20. You're right |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:18 AM Response to Reply #4 |
35. Indeed, Mr. Starr |
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gasperc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 11:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
49. the ad, I believe has been on the internet since May or so |
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hippiegranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
76. I call them the "Not-So-Swiftboat... |
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chiburb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
5. D_S, 1st a welcome and thanks, but now a question: |
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Dem_Strategist (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Haven't read his post but I imagine he's referring to a Fabrizio poll |
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lancdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:29 AM Response to Reply #19 |
40. One of the DU posters |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 08:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
78. I can't believe that poll...no way bush is "51%"! |
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Norquist Nemesis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
6. After yesterday's appearances |
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ibegurpard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
8. Fine. |
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Sporadicus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:08 AM Response to Original message |
9. This Strategy Appears to Have Been Effective |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:39 AM Original message |
John O'Neill's law partner is also representing an Enron Defendant |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
11. I Gotta Agree |
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wildeyed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
12. O'Neil had a baaad day yesterday. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:12 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Stupid Stupid Stupid |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
14. Do you feel like part of this particular move |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:14 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. It's too late to alter the campaign finance laws for this cycle |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:24 AM Response to Reply #14 |
39. The Smear Boat Vets, Ma'am |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 11:09 AM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Thank you for that clarification, sir |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 11:23 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Thank You, Ma'am |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. Yes, they are a 527 |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Thank You For The Correction, Sir |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
17. "The Media is the Enemy" has become my mantra.... |
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gollygee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
18. I'm glad he didn't respond too strongly |
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AirAmFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
21. "Political Judo" seems the PERFECT official response from the Kerry campaign |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:19 AM Response to Reply #21 |
36. I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. |
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SangamonTaylor (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:57 AM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Sending out talking points is what the Media Corps does....join up! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:58 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I will, thanks! |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
23. After hearing John O'Neill lie through his |
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T Roosevelt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:27 AM Response to Original message |
24. How best to handle this perfect opportunity? |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:33 AM Response to Original message |
25. Political strategist...A thought regarding Iraq coverage |
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lunarboy13 (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
27. For me, I noticed two very important turning points |
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tandot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:23 AM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Hi lunarboy13 |
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ItsThePeopleStupid (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-14-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
98. you said what I wanted to say but so much better |
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John_H (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:40 AM Response to Original message |
28. Can you imagine what Carville, et. al would have done to these guys?. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:42 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Problem is, this isn't 1992 |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
30. I'm sure this kind "judo" (good term) will be used much in the campaign |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
31. Nothing was going to keep these liars off all the TV shows |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. That Is An Excellent Point, Ma'am |
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snippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
32. We need to accuse Bush of being two-faced on this by trying to have it |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
33. Kerry said in the primaries "you're either on offense or defense" |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:24 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Adding, where's the book about the Bush abortion. Where's the media leak? |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
42. Dem Strategist, need to talk about Dem Strategy on another thread |
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quaoar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
43. Dem Strategist: |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:49 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Indeed. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
45. The damage is already done |
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lancdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 12:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Being a best seller doesn't really mean anything |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. Yeah I know but I was surprised that it got that far. |
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WVhill (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-14-04 10:19 AM Response to Reply #45 |
96. Agreed. Worse, there's more to come. |
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John_H (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
52. I love the judo spin--I'm going to use it the next time I've been |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 12:17 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Yes, the correct thing to do is to respond to every single |
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John_H (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 01:12 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. No. You're right. You can't do both. If you are being positve |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 03:51 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. Apparently not nearly as smart as you are. |
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John_H (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-14-04 12:53 AM Response to Reply #67 |
92. Nice catch--lack of examples intended. |
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Julien Sorel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-14-04 02:30 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I think you said it best: |
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Chomskyite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
55. Yeah, falling back on his 50 point approval rating petard! |
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59millionmorons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. Oh please |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 05:37 PM Response to Reply #61 |
73. TANKING BUSH JOB APPROVAL AT 46.25%; IGNORE CNN BUSHIT! |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Herr bush was bound to get a bounce |
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lancdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Actually, the horse-race numbers in the Gallup poll |
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molly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 04:39 PM Response to Reply #62 |
72. Did he get a bounce for his "Sophie's Choice" ad |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
56. Jeet Kune Do |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
58. Food for thought re: Repub polls ? |
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Domitan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
59. This former Democratic strategist disagrees |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
63. On the one hand I find your posts condescending, but I am pleased to see |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
65. Follow the money, and when they're defeated, attack them personally |
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GumboYaYa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
66. I would not be so self-congratulatory. |
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quaoar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
68. The judo analogy |
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molly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
70. Going for the "kill" is timing & brilliant strategy - |
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TheRovingGourmet (524 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
74. I know what you are saying and know that this can be useful |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
75. Carville & Matthews Effectively Dissected O'Neil |
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Hoping4Change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
77. Former Dem Stragegist argues that Kerry response inadequate. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:09 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Very funny. |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
81. wow |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
83. How'd that tactic work for you with Gore... oh but Clinton fought back... |
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Rageneau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
84. Put Down the Political Judo and Pick Up the Political Nunchucks |
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shivaji (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
85. I am unable to find "Unfit for Command" anywhere........ |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 11:08 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. There may be a reason for that |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
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cidliz2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
88. Lies repeated too many times to soundbite possible voters |
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unfrigginreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
89. It seems to be working? |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
90. "Political Judo". |
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Raya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 11:45 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. God help us all. |
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ColdWarZoomie (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-14-04 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
94. I'm Concerned |
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deutsey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-14-04 09:03 AM Response to Original message |
95. Perhaps "political judo" is working in this instance. |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-14-04 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
97. The Kerry response team did a good job, BUT |
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