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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:21 AM
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I don't understand the new Bush ad.
"I can't image a parent trying to decide what child to get first on 9-11."

Huh? What is that about? Choosing to get their child where? Why? I am not a parent, so maybe I am missing it.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:24 AM
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1. He was trying to instill
terror fears. You have 2 or 3 kids in school or daycare. There is a terrorist attack. Which one do you choose from and decide to try and save? I think that was the gist of it. Low and disgusting in my opinion thought I can't really say I am surprised.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:32 AM
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8. That's akin to the "Your house is on fire and you know you have
very little time and may only have time to go to one room. To whose room do you go first?"

Plain old sick.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:25 AM
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2. I haven't seen the ad, but I am a parent
Here in North Carolina, I did NOT panic and go straight to my children's schools to pick them up the morning of 9/11. I stayed home and watched the news, confident that the school would call me if there was any reason to do so. My 3rd grade son's teacher did call me, to let me know what had happened in case I had been sleeping in a cave all day and missed the event.

I can't imagine what W is trying to scare people with this time.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:25 AM
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3. Neither my wife nor I understand it
Edited on Fri Aug-13-04 09:26 AM by lunabush
Even Laura looks at him after he says it with :wtf: glance. Probably one of the most meaningless pol ads ever.

However, the message meant to convey is simple fear - get folks thinking about another attack and off the issues. Bush understands your fear, so vote for him.

:puke:
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Skarbrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:34 AM
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9. I watched the ad on Hardball

even Tweety asked if he was going for a "Sophie's Choice" moment. Which, by the way, is a really gut-wrenching thing to have to imagine. It was an extremely stupid comment. The second he said it, I could see some speech writer saying "How can we make another really scary point about 9/11? Oh, I know! What's worse than having to decide which one of your kids you're going to try to save after a terrorist attack? Yeah! Damn, that'll be good.


Sick F__ks

Skarbrowe
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:43 AM
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14. That was Olbermann
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:28 AM
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4. GOP: Party of Fear
keep trying to scare us, AWOL.. we're not buying it.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:28 AM
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5. I think the ad's called "Senseless ramblings"
Or it should be. I'm not going to diss it, though. It's as good an ad as the Kerry campaign could hope for right now. It starts with Stupidhead mouthing the sentence you quote, Pickles sitting behind him, looking like she just missed catching the bartender's eye and she'll have to nurse her long island iced tea for another two minutes.

Lil George rambles on, never quite uttering complete sentences or getting a wholly formed thought out of his festering pie-hole. If you listen closely (and I don't advise it), you can almost hear the suck. If you see it more than once or twice, I believe a measureable drop in your IQ is inevitable.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 10:22 AM
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26. That was the best!! If I find a lamp I'm gonna rub it hoping
I get at least one wish. I will use that to wish you had a primetime gig on every "news" network to give a few minutes of the gratuitous truth to the masses.

Did you use to write for dennis miller in the 80's?
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:31 AM
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6. I'll bet Bush can't imagine a parent deciding which child
should get dental care, since they have lost their insurance and can't afford to get all of their kids seen by a dentist. Or he can't imaging a parent deciding whether to fill their child's prescription for asthma medication or pay the heating bill.

Bush lacks imagination, basic human empathy, and basic humanity in general.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:49 AM
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16. EXACTLY! Fuck fear. Why doesn't he give America a little hope?
Edited on Fri Aug-13-04 09:49 AM by AP
Why can't he make American lives better by giving people more economic security and power?

Oh, never mind. I'll get my hope from the Democrats.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 11:59 AM
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30. I am laughing so hard at that yet at the same time am sad because
it is so true.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:31 AM
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7. He's trying to guilt-trip parents...
...who can never be everywhere at once. Say there was another big attack (because YOU didn't vote for toughguy Shrub), and you had to pick up your kids from school, because they were closing due to the emergency. And commonly, they're not in the SAME school, so you have to pick up one first. He's trying to get parents to conjure the wounded look on the face of the kid who, when it mattered most, you chose to pick up SECOND. (or later! *shock*).

It's convoluted, but it goes to parents' love-my-kids/protect-my-kids instincts, and fear of being unable to/doing it badly.

It's also horseshit, but primal-fear yankers like this usually are.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:34 AM
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10. Barb would pickup Jeb. Nancy, Ronnie Junior. Pickles...?
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Branjor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 10:10 AM
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24. Easy....
You just go to whichever school is closest, pick up that kid, then to the next closest until they are all picked up.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:38 AM
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11. He means you should get the one reading about the pet goat first.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:41 AM
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12. I'm glad I'm not the only completely confused person
I was like, HUH????? :shrug: :shrug: What is he talking about? Pick your children up? From where, how, what????? And I have two children.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 10:24 AM
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27. All this time I was thinking Chimpy meant to physically pick them up and
Edited on Fri Aug-13-04 10:27 AM by oasis
carry them to safety. Chimpy's denseness is becoming contageous.
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:42 AM
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13. I can't imagine sitting for seven minutes doing nothing
My initial response was to get in touch with my daughters to make sure they were out of harms way. Planes were still in the air and one of my girls was in a skyscraper next to a federal building. Didn't he at least wonder where Jenna and Barbara were that day?

By the way, I was in a classroom when I found out. I put my class to work on a project and went about making sure my daughters were secure.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:44 AM
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15. Jenna or Barbara
get Barbara first
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:53 AM
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17. the ad (simplified)


and the rest of today's TOON:

TOONS!
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Chelsea Patriot Donating Member (603 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:56 AM
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18. The Utah Family on The WTC Observation Deck 9/11

One of the stories I heard right after The Massacres concerned a large, multi-child Family from Utah who had perished in the attacks. This Mormon family had made the special effort to be the first people out on the WTC Observation Deck that morning.

The friend who told me the story of this Family was Mormon from Utah. My friend's family were also Republicans who knew Cheney, personally. My friend's father called Cheney, "A Good Man."

I have no reason to doubt this story. I gather a great many people who form Bush's base believe this story. This ad is directed toward them.

Honestly, I can't imagine myself which one of my screaming children I would pick up first, if we were all watching as a plane prepared to crash into the building we were on top of. (And I'm not a parent either.)

Hell awaits all these people
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 10:29 AM
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28. It's a Bogus Story
Only one 9/11 victim was from Utah:
Wahlstrom, Mary Alice - 75 - Kaysville, UT - On American 11

http://tcotrel.tripod.com/911deadiii.html

For that matter, the observation decks weren't open yet, so any "first in line"-ers would have been at ground level (or one level down, I forget), with plenty of time to escape, and with easy access to the underground mall to avoid falling debris.

Why on earth do people make up stories like this? Reality isn't shocking enough?
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 12:03 PM
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31. These stories float all over the place
Completely not true. The observation decks were not open yet. Haven't you seen the pic from ob deck that shows the plane headed right for them? Fake also.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:58 AM
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19. Scary! Scary! Fear! Fear! Scary! Scary! Fear! Fear! Scary! Scary! Fear! Fe
That's what it's all about!
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 10:00 AM
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20. He is assuming that there was mass panic and hysteria
all over the country on 9-11 and that everyone wanted to take their families and hide (like he and Cheney did).
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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 10:01 AM
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21. As soon as I heard it,
(I was in another room, so didn't see it) I thought it was a craven attempt to play on people's fears. Saw through it right away, although I wouldn't bank on your average Bushite getting the drift. :eyes:

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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 10:07 AM
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22. I saw it again this morning.
The wording has changed from "parent" to "Mom or Dad". I guess Rove decided parent was too vague, maybe it would only install fear in mothers. Now they are equal opportunity fear-mongers.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 10:08 AM
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23. No One Would Have to Make That Decision
If women stayed home with the kids, barefoot, pregnant, and sweeping the porch.

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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 10:13 AM
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25. He's promoting home-schooling.
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Quahog Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 10:41 AM
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29. So, if the problem is that kids are in several places...
... WTF is his solution? What's he selling here? I mean, it's an intellectual stretch to even figure how this statement of his applies broadly around the country. But let's give the speechwriter the benefit of the doubt, and assume that the majority of American families have moms and dads that both work and two or more kids and that those kids do not attend the same school or day care center. OK, then the first thing Mom or Dad thinks when they hear the US is under attack is, "Which kid should I get first?!?"

Assuming that you're still buying at this point, now please tell me what the hell the chimp is selling. A country where parents will never have to face that decision again? How is he gonna do that? Give every family enough money that one of the parents can quit their job and stay home with the kids? Home schooling for all? Or just eliminate compulsory education so the kiddies won't have to be away from home when the bad swarthy men come?

Or is he suggesting that he's going to prevent the US from ever being attacked again? Yeah, and that's why we keep going to "orange alert" every couple weeks, because nobody knows where or when the next attack is going to happen, so they keep pushing the orange button "just in case." That sure gives me a feeling of security, oh yeah.

Maybe he's just trying to "relate," to empathize with parents who had to face that horrible moment. I mean, he did famously state that presidents do the hugging, that's what presidents do, they hug the families.

Just not the families of the dead soldiers that he sent off to spill their blood in the Iraqi desert sand. No hugs for those folks.

Spawn of Satan.
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skygazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 01:39 PM
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32. I'll bet there wasn't a single parent out there
who thought twice about it. You'd do it in the most logical manner you could - whichever was closer, you'd get first. Or one parent get one kid, one the other.

Where do they get this stuff? It's so offensive on so many levels.

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