One man's problem with Obama 'He's a Muslim, and I don't like what his pastor says'

[galaxy21]

The race issue is complicated by false, but rampant, rumors that Obama is Muslim. In Leslie County, a Republican county where Obama won 5 percent of the Democratic vote, the county judge-executive doesn't hesitate before mischaracterizing Obama's religion.

"I think one of the big problems for him is he's Muslim," said Jimmy Sizemore, the highest elected official in the county. "It's his religion, plus when his pastor came out and started talking, that was a problem, but that's just my opinion."I don't think it's because he's black, what everybody says is he is a Muslim."

http://www.kentucky.com/news/state/story/414800.html

What the fuck? How the hell can he be a Muslim if he has a Pastor?

[TwilightGardener]

1. Stupid is forever. You can't fix stupid.

[TheDebbieDee]

22. Obama hasn't got a chance at getting this moron's vote anyway -

so why waste the effort of going after this clown's support.

We should concentrate on securing the votes of independents and other people that may be "unsure that America is heading in the right direction under the Republicans".

[TwilightGardener]

30. I agree. Despite what the article says, there are some demographics you

can pretty much write off. People who believe Obama is a Muslim who happens to have a Christian pastor are not worth the effort--there is no reasoning with people who don't understand that those ideas do not reconcile. If that's an endemic belief in KY, I think KY is going to go McCain no matter what.

[Jersey Devil]

2. Pizza?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. That's John McCain's base.

Don't worry about it.

[scheming daemons]

21. Yes... and they are ALSO Hillary's base!

...and we're called "elitists" when we say they are morons.

[TheDebbieDee]

27. Excuse me, but, "No, they are NOT Hillary's base!"

I don't know who started this "Hillary's base" meme but I'd like a link to a study, a survey, a poll, anything that backs up the BS you're throwing out.

[scheming daemons]

28. Exit polls

22% of Hillary's voters in KY said that "race played a factor in their votes".

13% of Hillary's voters in KY said they thought that "Obama was a muslim".

53% of Hillary's voters in KY said they thought that Obama shared Rev. Wright's values.


The OP was about a prominent official in KY, saying the SAME THINGS that Hillary supporters said in exit polls in KY.



A big chunk of her base are red neck morons.

[TheDebbieDee]

35. Still no link, huh? Okay, I'll just take your word for it then...... NOT!

Anyway, I know that I am, like many other Hillary supporters, neither a moron or a redneck.

[scheming daemons]

37. Here's your link, but I don't expect a response from you....

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#KYDEM


Highlights:

Was race the most important issue for you?

yes - 21%
no - 78%

of the 21% that said "yes"... 81% voted for Clinton, 16% voted for Obama


81% of 21% is about 16%.

16% of the Kentucky Democratic electorate voted for Clinton because Obama is black. 1 out of 6 voters.


That's a big chunk of Clinton's base.... you may not be in that chunk, but doesn't it make you uncomfortable that 1 out of 6 Democratic voters in Kentucky are so blatantly racist that they don't even lie to pollsters about it?!?!?


Those are your compadres.

[TheDebbieDee]

48. Doesn't it bother you that 1 out of 5 Democratic voters

in West Bumphuck won't vote for Hillary simply because she's a woman. So, that means that anyone who won't support Hillary is obviously misogynist yet they're in denial about it!

See how that works?

[scheming daemons]

54. If that number were true... it would bother me....

....

But it's not.

[Chulanowa]

55. Still no link, huh? Okay, I'll just take your word for it then...... NOT!

:)

[Bread and Circus]

47. Actually, I think Hillary and her campaign started that meme.

[AtomicKitten]

4. Stuck on stupid.

[11 Bravo]

16. Locked on lame ...

Mired on moron
Fixed on foolish
Dawdling on dumb
Idling on idiocy

Hey, this is fun!

[Blue-Jay]

5. duuuuhhh.

We weren't going to get the Creepy Racist Dumbfuck vote anyhow. That guy can go shit in his hat.

[cliffordu]

8. I think he already did.

[Indenturedebtor]

43. Shit in his hat BWAHAHAHAHAHA never heard that before.

Sounds like an ole-timey saying. I love it!

Yeah seriously this would be a "problem" for any candidate that didn't egg on the racist, proselytizing, asshole voting block. They would find some other "But he's not a facist" reason, if they didn't have the race one so easily at hand. Screw these people.

[Kool Kitty]

62. That made me laugh out loud.

My Mother used to say that-but the saying was a bit longer. She would say that he should shit in his hat and pull it down over his ears.

[genna]

80. Mine too.

Shit in his hat and pull it down over his head.

[sandnsea]

6. And Kerry didn't earn his purple hearts

Can we stop helping the opposition.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

7. Plonk.

To think this is the highest elected official in that county is too disturbing for words. May I never be stuck in Leslie County, KY. :scared:

[Abacus]

9. When pastorgate first broke,

I said at least it would dispel the Muslim rumors; unfortunately I didn't anticipate a double dose of stupid.

[mystieus]

71. Tell me about it.

[Bill McBlueState]

10. Look at what else he says!

When asked if he had ever researched the fact that Obama -- and the Rev. Wright -- are Christians, Sizemore said: "I don't care about finding out because I'm a Republican."

That should be the Republicans' official motto. "Republicans: We don't care about finding out."

[Bill McBlueState]

13. And here's another one:

Rep. Greg Stumbo, D-Prestonsburg: "People want to hear Obama say things, like 'I'm not a Muslim, I'm not part of this sect that hates America.'"

Hear that, Muslims? A Democratic elected official thinks your religion is a sect, and that you all hate America. Isn't that great?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

24. LOL! That's rich! Or, "I'm a Republican, I don't care about the truth!"

:rofl: :thumbsup:

Lies and Obstruction: it's the Republican way.

[BlooInBloo]

11. It just how white folks pretend that it's not The Thing That Shall Not Be Named....

Since other white folks allow them to get away with it, they don't have to care about consistency.

[genna]

83. Not all whites. I think it is those who are not willing to talk about

the underlying issue: race. I don't want one of them running the country. Anyway, I can talk around ot, I will.

[BlooInBloo]

84. Yup, not all.

[Hippo_Tron]

12. Despite all of this, Obama polls even with McGramps with about 10% undecided in most swing states

We have to assume that these ignorant folks are in McGramps' 45% column. Perhaps some of that 45% can even be swayed if they get to know Obama a bit better.

Meanwhile the remaining 55% are not ignorant, haven't been turned off by the Jeremiah Wright garbage, and are at least willing to give Obama a chance. He is a much better campaigner than McGramps and he should have little trouble putting together a majority in these states.

[Wetzelbill]

14. Two morons will outvote one genius every single time

That's something tough to overcome. When people are that stupid and they vote you can't stop it.

[Ganja Ninja]

15. And they think we're elitist if we call them stupid.

It's no wonder they haven't been able to connect the dots on Bush. These people are just rock fucking stupid. Republican for life = stupid for life.

[Withywindle]

29. It's the smart person's dilemma.

We're surrounded by stupid, but we're not allowed to point it out.

[thoughtcrime1984]

17. Dummies electing dummies

Nice judge-executive/dogcatcher Opie county has there.

[Irishonly]

18. Hate and Bigotry Never Go Away

The doofus that wrote it probably doesn't know that a pastor is for Christianity and an Imam is the spiritual head of a mosque. The person probably doesn't read either with the exception of Faux and right wing emails.

[madmom]

53. Your post reminded me of a conversation my SO was telling me about, he was

talking to a small shop owner (who deals in about everything)anyway the price of gas came up so naturally so did politics, my SO said something was said that led him to say "well I'm a democrat" the other guy said "well, I like you anyway" then both agreed that mclame was not what this country needed so my SO started telling him if he didn't vote it was still like giving your vote to mclame and so on. The other guy said he didn't know what to do cuz he was a republican after all. My SO asked him if he liked to read, he said yes I read all the time, well I've got a couple books I'll bring ya, to which the other guy replied, Oh I don't read books! the way he said books was like it was a bad word!

So I'm wondering if he reads all the time but doesn't read books what does he read? The closed-caption on faux?

[Irishonly]

68. Probably

Probably reads right wing emails also.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. The ignorance of the American People knows no bounds

And... it is willful

[ContinentalOp]

20. LOL

I don't like him because he's a communist who's in bed with big business.

[billyoc]

23. Another Buchanan vote.

:rofl:

[Faygo Kid]

26. James Buchanan, I think.

What a maroon.

[Cant trust em]

25. It's clear that some people will cling to some false rationality to explain their gut feelings

Obviously he doesn't like Obama for whatever reason. So he grasps at whatever is in front of him (no matter how illogical) to try to give his beliefs some meat.

[AZBlue]

31. Ooooh, Sizemore has a lot of problems - and they have nothing to do with Obama.

What an idiot.

[Fovea]

32. I think I can translate this from codespeak to redneck.

"Ah Hates Knee-grows!!!111!"

I heard it all the time growing up, but after 1968 it went out of fashion and was replaced by codespeak where you make a seriously stupid sounding accusation, and then wink. It's not about the fez, or the good pastor. It is about teh Black!

Or in this case, the 50% Black.

[Thrill]

33. This is how Bush gets TWO TERMS. The idiot vote

Repukes depend on this voting block

[DemVet]

34. Maybe not a Muslim, but I seriously doubt Obama is a Christian

[canucksawbones]

36. I see you are in...

the sharp as a bag of wax bowling balls brigade. You do realize he was raised in a Christian family and sttends a Christian Church. For you to claim he's not a Christian only makes you guilty of the "no true scotsman" logical fallacy.

GK

[scheming daemons]

38. What defines "a christian"? He was baptized in a Christian church....

And professes the faith.


What criteria do you use? And how would that criteria allow us to believe that ANYONE is a christian - including your dear Hillary?

[Mike L]

69. So he believes in creationism, and the world is 6000 years old, and a flood wiped out the earth, and

giants walked the earth, and Jesus rose in three days?

[muryan]

40. Based on that comment, I know you aren't one. n/t

[Swamp Rat]

42. Obey

[Name removed]

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[HiFructosePronSyrup]

49. That's alright.

I seriously doubt you're either a dem or a vet.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

50. At least he's not a "fat ass" like Michael Moore, right?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5599493&mesg_id=5599806

[DemVet]

75. Well, hey, that part is true.

[TrogL]

58. I'm Anglo-Catholic

Is that Christian? Not according to many Freepers.

Most people I hang around (figuratively) with require a "legitimate" "Christian" church to post a declaration of Belief with links to the various Creeds and an Appologia pointing out that particular religion's differences (eg. infant baptism) and supporting scripture.

Many of the "Christians" on my block would have no idea what that even means. The big Beulah church down the block posts a new heresy on its billboard every week.

[cottonseed]

63. Provocateur - this is the kind of stuff that provokes backlash against innocent Hillary supporters.

This is the #1 reason this board gets so riled up and then some innocent Hillary supporters get knocked down. It's not "mean" Obama supporters, it's garbage like this and the inevitable backlash it creates.

[truebrit71]

67. Wow, yet another drive-by post full to the brim with stupid....

..what a seriously fucking stupid thing to say...

[FatDave]

70. Personally, I'd prefer if he were an athiest.

But he'd never get elected, now would he?

[Prophet 451]

Define "Christian"

Personally, I don't give a toss since I'm a Satanist but he attends a Christian church, was married in a Christian ceremony and professes Christianity. He might be a Sunday-morning Christian but he seems to be a Christian.

[DemVet]

76. It's much more than "professes"

I'll pray for your salvation.

[Prophet 451]

79. Pray for whatever you like, mate

Mildly insulting since I don't need or want "salvation" but ok.

That still doesn't get us any closer to actually defining "Christian" though.

[Name removed]

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[sniffa]

73. Ignored usually is

[NorthernSpy]

39. guess we'll have to concede the 'tard vote...

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[Swamp Rat]

41. An complete lobotomy is the only cure.

Wouldn't take much to finish the job.

[Forkboy]

46. Bahahahahaha!!

:rofl:

[DearAbby]

44. he admits later in the article..."I'm a Republican...

I don't care to learn..."

I present the ignorant base. Reading this article, I can faintly hear "Dueling banjos" playing in the background.

[RiverStone]

51. That sums it up quite well.

:silly:

He is a rethug alright.

[paparush]

52. Stupid goes all the way to 11

[cbc5g]

56. "He's a muslim" is code word for "I'm a racist" n/t

[invictus]

64. Exactly! It's the last publically acceptable religious/racial prejudice in America. n/t

[Teaser]

57. the dumb is strong in that one

.

[harun]

59. That's what you call "stuck on stupid".

[IsItJustMe]

60. I think the majority of these people are straight up racists, it's just easier for them to claim

they are ignorant. No stigma attached to ignorance.

[DarkTirade]

61. The stupid... it hurts...

[FredScuttle]

65. We have become too afraid of offending morons

We should call this out for what it is: pure, unadulterated ignorance with a splash of racism thrown in. Why does our party pussyfoot around the fact that there are pockets of this drool-flecked stupidity all around our great land? It's not like those mouth-breathing rubes are going to vote Democratic anytime this century.

"Kentucky ignorance" should be the new "San Francisco values"

[truebrit71]

66. How? You have to be a special kind of stupid that's how....

..

[Prophet 451]

74. *headdesk*

Still, fuck it, someone that stupid was most likely going to vote Republican anyway (not all conservatives are stupid but stupid people do tend to be conservative).

What annoys me is that it's apparently "elitist" to point out that some people aren't sanctified heartland volk who should be worshipped and doted upon, some people are just fucking dumb.

[Bensthename]

77. Obama the elitist, muslim, with a terrorist christian pastor..

Oh my these people kill me.. I still believe an intelligence test should be taken and passed before one is allowed to vote.

[genna]

78. The smear is Muslim and his spirituality means he has the wrong values

I'm bummed out.

http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/AbcNews_PoliticalPunch/~3/300746323/priest-and-obam.html

You should read what Jake Tapper has to say on a new preacher for Obama.

I'm at a lost as to what Obama can do with all this talk. A lot of these statements go to fears about who BHO might be. I just don't know when the Republicans really start pushing the race stuff harder than HRC did at this point whether the larger U.S. population will listen beyond BHO's skin color.

The media was pushing this storyline he can't win the white vote. HRC has been saying whites won't vote for him.

Sometimes the truth doesn't matter. Sometimes the fears overcome the real story. I am wondering for the people who don't know whether a half white half black can do the job...I'm wondering whether they just need an excuse to say we can't take that kind of chance.

If the Republicans press hard enough, what is the response to the person who says he's a Muslim who stayed in that anti American church too long?


That response needs to be outstanding.

[Writer]

81. Wow. I'm so glad we're a self-governing nation.

:P

[Unbowed]

82. We have added yet another moran to the growing list. n/t

[LeftyMom]

85. The Muslim thing is code for the N word.

They don't care if he's a Muslim or goes to an Afrocentric church or is contributing to the soup at the Church of All Worlds. The "Muslim" smear is just code for "dude, have you noticed, he's black!?!!!!"

[Elidor]

86. Ah, Kentucky

I used to live there. There are a lot of bright, intelligent people in Kentucky. And then there's Jimmy Sizemore. Jimmy doesn't actually believe any of this; it's just his way of saying "not one of us," in a way that won't get him into too much trouble.

Give Obama 15 minutes with him. He'd charm his socks off.