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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:26 PM
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Hillary reportedly using McCain & Huckabee supporters for DNC protest

Hillary reportedly using McCain and Huckabee supporters to beef up numbers at DNC protest this weekend
John Aravosis (DC) · 5/29/2008 06:10:00 PM ET

One of the "grassroots organizers" of Hillary's fake protest this weekend at the DNC rules committee meeting (the one deciding what to do with FL and MI), just sent this email out to a lot of the wrong people in DC:
We have Fantastic News!

As you know, our efforts to present a unified front this weekend on Sat, May 31 at the DNC meeting has proven to be quite successful…in fact, we have now an approximate 10,000 marchers. The marchers will be coming from across the country and they aren't just Clinton supporters. For a unified showing will be Obama, McCain, Clinton and even a few Huckabee supporters who will rally together in Washington DC.

How did a grass roots group of politically inexperienced organizers get an overwhelming response of thousands of supporters…supporters that cross partisan lines for the unified message: All Voices Heard, All Votes Matter?
Anyone still working for Hillary should be ashamed of themselves.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/hillary-reportedly-using-mccain-and.html
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:28 PM
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1. Obama supporters too!!1!!! Oh my.
Did they run out of kool aid?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:32 PM
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2. I believe the "Obama supporters" mentioned were the now-cancelled counter-rally
The fact remains that Obama has asked his supporters to let the rules committee make their decision without distractions.

Clinton has failed to do the same.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:35 PM
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4. Hillary Clinton encouraged the "rally" on her
suck-up-to-bloggers call once her staff told her what bloggers were 2 weeks ago.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:11 PM
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20. Look at this.. I posted it earlier, from one of the Pro-Hillary Forums >>>
Edited on Thu May-29-08 09:11 PM by K Gardner
Dean, Brazile and Pelosi are TRAITORS !


Go to www.GOPonDemand.com right now to learn how you can help stop the Obama/ Democrat/ MoveOn doublespeak and require the Democrats obey the 14th Amendment guarantee of equal protection under law. In America, absolutely no one deserves his ballot ripped up by the liberal Democrats. The students and mothers who marched in the streets of Birmingham deserve better, Mr. Obama, and it isn’t you.

Nancy also needs to worry more about Republicans and what they will do to Obama.

Dean/Obama/Brazille/Pelosi have turned against the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

Nancy Pelosi increasingly sounds like the drag-queen director of “The Producers” stomping his foot calling for “order, we must have order” while rehearsing the big musical number “Springtime For Hitler”. The drag-queen director, like Nancy Pelosi, completely unaware of the irony of what he is saying

<snip>
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:42 PM
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22. Dear Lord -- they have all just cemented themselves as cartoons
and Hillary, recently having learned about the "blogosphere" is holding conference calls with them as her newly discovered "base".

:rofl:
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:03 AM
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32. It amazes me how VILE they are about Pelosi.
Seriously, how the f do you cry sexism and then use such disgusting language to describe the FIRST EVER female speaker of the house?

I lurk the Hillary forums sometimes, and they use the most ridiculous sexist language, and yet are completely oblivious to their patently ludicrous position.

Oh well. I'm starting to believe more and more that these people are just republicans anyway. They are republican women who saw an opportunity for a female president flushed away, and they're angry.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:10 PM
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40. LOL, do they support same-sex marriage too?
'Cause the 14th Amendement should pretty much cover that too, since they seem to be fond of invoking it.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:38 PM
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7. The email in the article you are trying to smear Hillary & supporters with by associating them with
huckabee supporters also claims Obama supporters will be there.

How can you use words from one sentence to make a point, but deny the rest of that same sentence when it conflicts with your point?
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:41 PM
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8. It's not my OP
I'm simply claiming that the Obama supporters that were mentioned in the article were most likely the counter-protest people...and they won't be there.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:47 PM
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10. My mistake. But the Obama supporters were mentioned in the email about which the article was written
The autor of the article, who claims McCain and Huck supporters will be there to join in the "count the votes, let the votes count" protest, also claims Obama supporters will be there for the same reason. The author of the article, in the snip in the OP, makes no reference to Obama supporters.

One cannot logically get up in arms about Huck supporters being there, based on this thread and that snip, while dismissing Obama supporters being there as well, which is also claimed.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:51 PM
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12. ...and it's equally silly to think that Obama supporters would be joining with Clinton supporters
at that protest.

My point was that we know why the Clinton supporters are going to be there. I have no idea what the Huck supporters intend to do. We also know that some Obama supporters organized a counter-demonstration after Clinton supporters announced their rally, but Obama asked them to refrain.

The Obama supporters mentioned in the article obviously refer to the counter-demonstration that's not going to happen
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:33 PM
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42. or they could be hillary supporters in obama supporter clothing.
they did it at the last "rally". everybody wore shirts with different candidates names on them so no one would suspect it was a hillary event.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:53 PM
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13. Hey, I didn't write the article - you should ask the author
Edited on Thu May-29-08 08:54 PM by Jersey Devil
John Aravosis of Americablog.

http://www.blogger.com/profile/00990747942611347583

I think he owns the joint and I've found his reporting to be very accurate
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:08 PM
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18. You are experiencing reading difficulties. Please adjust your set.
The author of the article is making no such claim. The email the author reports receiving from the meeting organizer makes such a claim. Take it up with the meeting organizers, who seem jazzed about having support across the political spectrum, but will probably go down in history as some of the biggest tools of the campaign season (in the sense of being used by someone else).
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:40 PM
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21. That's exactly what I just said.
Curious that it reads differently to you. Maybe I was unclear.


But the thread was posted to cast dispersions on the protest by using info from the email - the same sentence that makes the claims that mccain and huckabee supporters would be there also claims Obama supporters would be there. Using the former as if to say that the Hillary camp is organizing a protest by using repukes. But the same email, same sentence, claimes Obama fans will be there too. Well, how does that fit the intent of the thread? It doesn't.

That was my point. Someone posted that the Obama mention referred to the planned Obama counter-protest, but that is not the way the email reads.

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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:00 PM
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14. I believe the "Obama supporters" is bs trying to give cover for recruiting rePubes
Makes is sound more like a party...
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:02 PM
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15. No, I really think it refers to the aborted counter-protest.
Obama supporters were scheduled to be there. Obama asked them not to go.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:30 AM
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26. Yeah, anything to dissemble, muddy the waters,
and just freakin' lie about it would be de rigeur for hilary and her whinos.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:37 AM
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37. you do not know that for sure.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:33 PM
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3. Let us know how it all works out for ya with that strategy.
If I had time, I would make the 2 hour drive down there and stand with the Hill crowd and bang my own (literal) pot live on CNN.

Pssst -- they aren't your friend nor your ally. They are hoping to make HRC's people look like crackpots. You heard it here first...
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:36 PM
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5. Well, the tread was titled that Huck supporters would be there, but the snip
says Obama supporters will be there too.

Just found the irony irresistable.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:48 PM
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11. Obama has requested that his supporters focus on voter registration
and allow Hillary's supporters the room to "express themselves".

Sorry. No cat fight on Saturday.

This is her day.

:thumbsup:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:10 PM
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19. Sen Obama wisely asked his supporters not to attend, instead to help w voter registration
and work at buiding the Democratic Party not only for November but for the future. Now that is what I call leadership!
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:43 PM
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23. That, as well as
giving her enough rope to hang herself.

The pots and pans brigade will undoubtedly make national news.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:33 AM
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28. I am all aquiver, looking forward to the national news coverage!
:D

peace,
sw
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:20 AM
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29. This is a step backwards to the feminist movement.
When you defend a candidate who has been continually moving the goal posts in hopes of reviving her own poorly managed campaign (think massive debt despite being 20 point ahead at the beginning and have one of the strongest fund raising presidents (her husband) out raising donations), and has worked at division instead of attempting to unify the country, your reason for outrage looks foolish.

I'D WANT TO MAKE IT LOUD AND CLEAR TO ALL THAT THESE WOMEN CERTAINLY DO NOT SPEAK FOR ME!

PS. I am a 49 yo white women from Ohio, college educated with a Masters degree and for 17 years a small business owner.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:43 AM
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30. I honestly don't think it will be a step back for the feminist movement, since Hillary's campaign
Edited on Fri May-30-08 09:44 AM by scarletwoman
doesn't really have anything to do with feminism, it's really only about her. I honestly don't think this campaign is going to discourage other female politicians from taking a shot at running for prez. Why would it?

It's not as if Hillary was just any woman who rose through the ranks and represented some powerful new vanguard for women. Her main claim to fame going into the start of the campaign was being Bill Clinton's wife.

Nothing all that "feminist" about that, imho. Had she stood in front of the country in 1998 and said, I'm a proud, strong and independent woman, this jerk has been cheating on me and I don't need to put up with that kind of disrespect, therefore I'm seeking a divorce. -- THAT would have been some feminism.

Imho, of course. :)

Peace,
sw
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:59 AM
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31. well said, in retrospect, I should have said women's movement not feminist movement.
Her supporters are making it appear that gender discrimination was the reason for her loss and not her poorly run campaign and her own short-comings (think Bosnia). Many women see HRC as a role model, despite her using victimization as a strategy. I don't understand why any woman who want to gain advantage by having other's pity. To me this doesn't indicate strength but weakness.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:29 AM
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35. Nah, it's pretty much all the same to me. But I've never given much thought as to whether I was
a "feminist" or not, so I may very well be missing a distinction.

I'm trusting that there are enough sensible, intelligent women out there who are seeing this desperate last-ditch grab for power for exactly what it is, and not some tragic calamity befallen their heroine through no fault of her own.

Other than Geraldine Ferraro, have there been any high-profile "feminists", or even female celebrities coming out in support of Clinton lately?

Peace,
sw

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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:37 PM
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6. Sounds about her speed.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 08:43 PM
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9. Hillary really is a traitor
Not a fake traitor for some unmerited demand for loyalty, like Bill Richardson.

A traitor to her party and by extension to its values. She is hurting the party and obstructing its values. She was trusted to run a non-destructive race. She was given great influence and opportunity. She is betraying that trust.

It has to be said.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:23 AM
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34. A traitor???
Some of you people are getting more unhinged by the day.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:03 PM
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16. I just lost that .1% of respect I still had for her... All gone.
Edited on Thu May-29-08 09:04 PM by Bensthename
:puke:
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 09:06 PM
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17. Republicans trying to change Democratic rules?
How nice.
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:25 AM
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24. kick
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:26 AM
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25. lol I knew it.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:32 AM
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27. The Republicans are using her, and she's letting them. Utterly pathetic.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:21 AM
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33. Ashamed??????
Hell no, there are millions of us and we shall be counted!!!

"Anyone still working for Hillary should be ashamed of themselves."


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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:45 PM
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43. They're still looking for that elusive back stage pass...
"Idle chatter to force Clinton to prematurely abandon her campaign is
being driven by pundits, partisan bloggers, hopeful job applicants and
other favor-seekers with an obsession to be on what may be viewed
through a narrow political prism as the winning side."
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:59 PM
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44. Yeah, the usual weasels who will sell their mother in exchange
for some ephemeral sense of power.

These are the same types of people who only support the winning sports team. The Mets are doing good, then they are Mets fans. If the Yankees are faring better, then they become Yankees fans.

True supporters of a cause, will get up, shake off the dust and bow to fight another day.
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:30 PM
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45. Their candidate is calling for unity, you know.
:shrug:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:25 PM
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46. More empty platitudes........
:eyes:
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:28 PM
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47. They must have put him on ignore.
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Ian_rd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:33 AM
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36. Is Tom Delay's staff going to be there too?
"Stop the fraud! Stop the count!"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:40 AM
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38. Why should H. supporters be ashamed? YOU are one who wants to suppress
the people who come to the meet-up. !!
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:49 AM
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39. If there is an "Obama supporter" there
It is most likely a Hillary supporter given an Obama T-shirt for the day.

We've seen this shameless trick before in Florida.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:14 PM
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41. Lyndon LaRouche backers will be out in force for Hillary.
I work in downtown DC, and they are everywhere. LaRouche has made clear his support for Hillary, so his brain-dead supporters will be there in droves to intimidate.

Plus, Limbaugh lovers from the area will no doubt be present to push "Operation Chaos."

It is going to be ugly. I just hope it's not violent.
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