Hold the phone ... Texas not a done deal

[KSinTX]

Clinton supporters attempting to unseat Collin County delegates.

It seems that because the county decided to delay its convention a day more, there is a dispute whether the county that voted about 76 percent for Obama will stand up to a challenge by her supporters. The supporters have called for a challenge at the state convention. It is the reverse of what the Clinton campaign has been rallying for in FL/MI.

It was a localized version of the Michigan/Florida debate in Grand Prairie today and once again, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama supporters were at odds.

Local Clinton supporters advocated Thursday for unseating ALL of the Democratic delegates from Collin County because their senate district conventions were held on the wrong day.

Officials with the Collin County Democratic Party said they chose to hold the convention a day late because there wasn't a large enough venue in the county available for the scheduled date of Saturday, March 29. Party officials warned at the time that the eligibility of their delegation may be challengedClinton supporters issued several charges, including that the Collin County Democratic Party didn't properly notify all their delegates of the date change and that they only chose to hold the convention a day later because they wanted a nicer venue than what was available on March 29.

Some Tarrant County delegates could have ended in the same boat, according to Fort Worth Clinton backer Jason Smith.

He told the committee that then-Tarrant County Democratic Chair Art Brender tried to change the date of the convention for Senate District 10 because he was having trouble finding a proper location. State Party Chairman Boyd Richie told him that wasn't allowed, according to Smith. The SD 10 convention was eventually held on March 29 in Will Rogers Coliseum.

“We actually held senate district 10 in a rodeo barn,” Smith said.

http://startelegram.typepad.com/politex/2008/05/local-democrat.html

The move seeks to unseat ALL delegates from the county. It was a 26 to 6 split for Obama.

UPDATE: Clinton supporters issued several charges, including that the Collin County Democratic Party didn't properly notify all their delegates of the date change and that they only chose to hold the convention a day later because they wanted a nicer venue than what was available on March 29.

Some Tarrant County delegates could have ended in the same boat, according to Fort Worth Clinton backer Jason Smith.

UPDATE 2:

Collin County has 17 Delegates in SD-30 which are 9-8 Obama. Disenfranchising these delegates barely affects Clinton's 28 delegate lead in that SD.

Most of Collin County is in SD-8 where the Obama Delegates lead 108 to 55. The rest of SD-8 is from Dallas County where Obama still would lead 52 to 35 and carry the SD.

The only difference would be a change from a 64% to a 59% Obama margin which wouldn't effect the Delegate Allocation or the Nominating Committees margin of 19 Obama SD appointees to 13 Clinton SD apointees and 3 appointed by Boyd (whose endorsing Obama as we speak, along with his wife, who is also a superdelegate).

Whether Collin County is seated in full totally disenfranchised it won't effect the final delegate allocation one bit.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/5/29/22624/7358/104#c104

[K Gardner]

1. I'm going to go wash my eyeballs out and pretend I didn't read that.. then I'm going to bed...

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..............

:nuke:

[The Doctor.]

113. Of all the improbable "that's exactly what I was thinking"s...

I'm there.

[slinkerwink]

2. and they talk about disenfrachisement?

[Ravy]

5. while the Obama camp talks about strict enforcement of the rules...

odd, isn't it?

[John Q. Citizen]

16. I hope Edwards sues Clinton. He will win.

[Yael]

19. Here ya go -- this should make everyone happy.

We disallow the people from this Texas county and MI and FL are off the table.

Get your head out of your ass. Her fighting for a handful of delegates is beyond "leadership" and into "mob" mentality.

[Ravy]

25. I couldn't agree more, except to add

that this thread proves that your position is every bit as bad as hers, because they are the same.

[iconicgnom]

116. Huh? It's Hillary's campaign that's protesting in BOTH cases.

Not Obama's.

It's Hillary's campaign that's trying to change the numbers, in one case to add some, in the other case to subtract some, and in both cases in her favor. It's Hillary's campaign whose arguments are inconsistent.

[Andy823]

26. More like

Insanity! I hope she gets help before it's to late!

[KSinTX]

28. Not whining about it happening

Just keeping up with the doin's in ma state.

[shraby]

3. Can I read that as disinfranchisment by Clinton??

[AtomicKitten]

4. The Clintons have gone viral. Oy.

[yourguide]

6. wow.

this is astonishing...I hope the media picks this up.

[cynatnite]

7. link, please n/t

[KSinTX]

11. Updated as I got it. nt

[SeattleGirl]

8. So, let me get this straight. FL and MI broke the rules and had their

primaries early, but Clinton and company are threatening to take the fight to the convention because "every vote should be counted" and they want the delegates seated. Right?

AND, they now want to unseat the delegates from a county in Texas because they had the convention a day late (and broke the rules)?

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGH!!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Shae]

35. It boggles the mind. . .

I would say that nothing she does surprises me now, but I'm afraid she'd figure out a way of doing something that would surprise me.

[iconicgnom]

117. I bet she continues to surprise, but your mind won't get any more boggled.

I bet your mind is something like mine, in a supersaturated boggle. Like, everytime a boggle finds its way in there some other is pushed out because the physical organism can't take it all. But then, it can't closely scrutinize the boggle of it in pieces, either. Well *mine* can't, at any rate. I'd be taken by seizures if I tried. So now I'm suspended in a suppersaturated boggle state where there's all these mind boggling talking points that my memory just flat out refuses to recall. These have nowhere to go except to kind of "hang out together, somewhere", feeling rather lonely -- like at Hillaryis44.com.

[Shae]

121. Otherwise known as Clinton fatigue.

Your post was funny, and pretty much right on the mark!
:rofl: :hi:

[FatDave]

96. No, there's a HUGH difference.

You see, the delegates they're fighting to keep favor Clinton. The delegates they're fighting to keep out favor Obama. Apples and oranges!

[Scooter24]

9. Ahh...Challenging the wealthiest county in Texas

this ought to be good.

I'm not shocked though, but I'm sure in the end they will still be seated. Collin county is a very resourceful county.

[Cha]

15. Good to know...thanks

Scooter!

[rainbow4321]

94. Exactly....richest and whitest!!!! And HRC had her ass handed to her

Not our fault that HER people didn't wanna stick it out for the *********20 HOUR********** convention. It started with people signing in early Sunday morning and ENDED at 7 am Monday morning.

I went to the convention as an observer (was not a delegate) and left late Sunday afternoon. Nearly died when I was driving to work the next morning and heard on the news "And Collin County's convention JUST ended at 7 am!!!!!!!!!!!" WTF???? Let me tell ya, the delegates and alternative delegates looked pretty tired when I left Sunday afternoon....none of them realized at the time that they would be there til the NEXT morning!

[derby378]

10. Paging Keith Olbermann...come in, Keith...

I knew this shit popped up shortly after the convention, but I guess it slipped out of sight and out of mind. Boy, do I have a lot to catch up on.

[KSinTX]

14. No f'ing s*it! I was of the impression it was agreed on

Then again, as McAuliffe would say, that was when they weren't behind. I'll update in comments as I get it.

[MadBadger]

12. Toss her ass out on the street.

[MercutioATC]

Did they violate the rules?

If so, yes...they should be sanctioned...to be fair, to the extent that FL and MI are sanctioned.

Yes, I'm an Obama supporter.

[KSinTX]

18. My understanding is that it was mutual agreement

Seems that may not have been the case OR remorse for having done so. Will update in comments as I get more.

[Erin Elizabeth]

42. It WAS agreed upon!

The original venue was NOT big enough. That happened in a lot of district conventions because of the amazingly high turnout. Damn. They told everyone in advance about the location AND date change.

[CTLawGuy]

72. I agree

but they should be sanctioned, as the rules provide, and in a way that is proportional to the offense, again within any flexibility provided by those rules.

[tammywammy]

80. It was agreed upon

The State Party knew they had to move it a day back. There wasn't a venue available that was big enough for Saturday. It's not that they wanted a "nicer" venue, they needed something that would accommodate all the people.

[BlooInBloo]

13. It's official: Only Clinton voters deserve to vote.

[Secret_Society]

17. I love how Obama supporters only see on side of the op

The case is crazy because both campaigns are making arguments opposite of the FL/MI debate. Clinton wants a strict abidance of the rules and Obama wants to count all the votes despite regulations.

[tabatha]

22. See #20

[SeattleGirl]

23. Clinton does NOT want strict adherence to the rules that got

FL and MI into the mess we have now. She AGREED to the rules before a single vote was cast, and now, she wants to toss those rules out the window.

And, she wants the opposite in this county in Texas.

Can't have it both ways.

[Ravy]

32. I think the point is...

that you see it that way, and fail to realize that in *this* case, that the Obama camp is using the same argument that Clinton is making about FL and MI, while the Clinton camp is using the same argument that Obama is making about FL and MI.

Neither side can have it both ways.

[KSinTX]

34. Not at all. Just a report of a turn of events.

Hope I didn't leave the impression that this was either right or wrong.

[Ravy]

39. Not your OP, thanks for that, btw...

the poster at the start of this reply thread to your OP that was talking about people who just see one side of this.

It is politics as usual. Both camps, both issues.

[KSinTX]

46. I hear you. I'm going down the thread making the point

that this is about two lawyers going at it. At the end of the day, for me, this is Legal Eagles in real time. May the best person win.

[Ravy]

66. I feel sorry for the affected county....

I live in Florida so I know what it is like having other people decide whether you have the right to be counted. I know if Florida had turned out the other way, the same fight would be going on, with each camp representing a different side in the issue.

This issue goes to prove that.

[KSinTX]

75. I am so sorry for what you've gone through

but no matter how this works out, your voice WILL be heard. I've never been much involved in primaries (being military and overseas) but I have ALWAYS made sure my voice was heard in the GE. Primaries are, to some extent for sissies, I always thought. Make a decision, give me my choice and then I'll vote. This is the first one that I've actually been part of. It's been fun but for gosh sakes, please don't let those idiots Gelber (I think that's the Hitler moustache guy) or my absolute fave Jeremy Ring get away with what they've done. You had a shot there in FL and your people sold you out. I have Kay Bailey H. (who's a decent sort) and Cornyn (ahole of the year) and a R state senate. Take your folks out (legislatively) for me. I don't have that sort of voice.

[Ravy]

102. Yeah, those guys were asses..

but the DNC should have been more adult about it and only took half our delegates, imho. I can't imagine why they took this extra grief on themselves, and I think they will have to back down this Saturday, at least part of the way.

[KSinTX]

107. It WILL be 50 percent

I am the Jeanne Dixon of modern times. Your voice will be heard and your idiots will be sanctioned. The best of both worlds. Oh, in case you didn't know my creds? McClellan's bood was a deja vu of everything I've said since we lost focus on Afghanistan and shot over to Iraq. I say it here: it came out there. It will all be OK.

[Ravy]

120. I think so, too. That would have been right in the beginning

and saved us all of this grief and unnecessary ill-feelings about the issue.

[Secret_Society]

38. Thank you that was my point

Funny how some people can't see the other side even when its laid out for them. Politics is politics. It always will be. Obama will the arguments that best suit him, so will Clinton. Politics.

[Ravy]

44. My wife and I were talking about this the other day... another example..

I have a republican friend who told me I should watch the HBO movie "Recount" because it showed how wrong the Democrats were in the issue. I had watched it the night before, and had come to the completely opposite conclusion, as did many DUers who posted recommendations for it.

People from different perspectives just see the same thing differently, I suppose. It gets magnified in something as devisive as politics.

[Ravy]

24. Yes, that is what is so funny watching this kind of stuff

and not giving a crap about which candidate wins. People are really deaf to the absolute absurdity of their calling out the other side for doing what they are doing themselves.

[Erin Elizabeth]

45. Excuse me, but I LIVE here.

I know what went down. I'm one district over from this county and MANY districts in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area had the same problem--the precinct caucus turnouts were so huge, they knew their normal venues were not going to cut it. Most every district was able to find a bigger venue available on that particular day but in Collin County, there's wasn't available until a day later.

And NO ONE SAID BOO.

Until Obama won the most delegates.

Hmmm, wonder why they suddenly have a problem with it? Because they are without ethics?

[stillcool]

82. where did you read that?

[tabatha]

20. Mark Crispin Miller

stated on the Malloy show tonight that Obama has run an honest campaign.
Clinton has not, and has been involved in voter suppression.

[and-justice-for-all]

21. HRC and her followers desperation...

is terribly sad.

[moc]

27. Democratic turnout in Collin County increased something like 1300% over 2004.

I participated in the precinct caucuses, and the precinct chair said that in 2004 there were maybe 18 people at the joint, two precinct caucus. This year, there were probably 300 people in attendance. It was exhilerating to realize that so many of my neighbors were dems!

So, yeah, they moved the county convention because the venue they had booked wasn't BIG ENOUGH. And now, the Clintonistas want to disenfranchise Collin County Dems? When we're on the brink of resurrecting the party in this county?

:mad:

[KSinTX]

29. Didn't y'all hold it in a dance hall or some such?

[moc]

33. I wasn't a delegate to the county convention, so I don't know.

Our precinct convention (actually 2 precincts together) was in the school cafeteria. 300 dems in the cafeteria and maybe 12 repubs in the foyer. :-)

[Erin Elizabeth]

48. My precinct convention was in a middle school cafeteria

and I'm not kidding, we were literally jammed in to the point that no one could MOVE and we were violating fire code. When you were done signing in for your candidate, you had to CRAWL UNDER THE SIGN-IN TABLE to get out of the room, because there was no other way out.

[KSinTX]

49. Mine was an elementary school but nowhere near as crowded

I was able to catch another precinct (two for one in our cafeteria) cheating (oddly enough they were Clinton supporters but I would have been equally pissed had they been for Obama) and walked them through the process. It was kinda cool to be not just precinct chair, but uber precinct chair. Did you even KNOW about the caucus before this election? I sure as hell didn't. It was sorta like a stealth added layer of super delegates after we went in to vote!!

[Erin Elizabeth]

50. Yeah, I knew because I've always caucused. I'm a huge geek.

My precinct caucus, before this year, was about eight of us, if that many, in a school library. Took about an hour, tops.

This one was five and a half hours long and had so many people, I had no idea that many Democrats even lived around me. I was amazed. And Obama took my area by about 80%, LOL!

That's when I knew he would make it---his supporters are EXTREMELY motivated. There were elderly people suffering through that, big pregnant women, people in wheelchairs. Didn't matter. They would have stayed all damn NIGHT for Obama.

[Erin Elizabeth]

47. Thank you!!! Exactly!

In my district, the convention was normally held in a tiny little place. We had to move to a huge high school gym. Fortunately we got it on the day we were to have our convention, but in Collin County, they couldn't get the bigger venue on the same day they needed it.

God, these people are clueless idiots who think everyone will fall for this.

[Honeycombe8]

30. Well, if it's legal, they have a right to do that. But to what end? She can't win. What is she ..

after?

[KSinTX]

37. Hmmm, was hoping you could tell me.

If she was working DU, she'd be TS'd by this point for disrupting poorly.

[gateley]

103. ....

:rofl: :headbang:

[Tinksrival]

31. ugh!

[williesgirl]

36. She'll stop at nothing. I can't type what I'm thinking. rec'd

[Erin Elizabeth]

40. WHAT fucking assholes.

I'm not in that county, but let's just say I'm right next door and I follow Texas politics closely, down to the local level in a lot of places (it's interesting!) and that is just absolute utter BULLSHIT. The ONLY reason they are challenging it is because of when Collin County held their convention.

They did NOT want a nicer venue, they had to have a BIGGER venue. My own district convention had to be moved from the normal spot to a high school gymnasium because they knew from the precinct counts that the turnout was going to be HUGE. Same thing in Collin County, only the problem was even worse there. They HAD to find a bigger place. If they hadn't, people would have complained about being crammed in like sardines (and I mean literally ok?).

Bullshit. Absolute fucking bullshit. What nasty opportunists they are.

[Erin Elizabeth]

43. Oh also, let me just ADD THIS:

Hillary supporters? AGREED to the venue and date change. EVERYONE DID. Everyone. No one challenged it BEFORE the convention. Only after.

Convenient? Well, look how the results came out--they broke overwhelmingly for Obama. THEN the Hillary people say they have an argument with the venue and the date.

What the fuck ever. Fucking whiny cheaty crybabies.

[Cha]

64. They will get the prize for the Whiningest, Cheatingest,

Lyingest, Bawlbrats in the history of the Universe.

[Erin Elizabeth]

68. I love the first one the best and the last one is CLASSIC.

[Genevieve]

41. Oh, the irony!

nt

[scarletwoman]

51. My first question would be, did the state Democratic Party organization approve of the date change

by that county?

I live in a caucus state (Minnesota), too; and here the State party controls the whole show, period, and all the county Dems answer to the state Dems. If the Texas state party organization approved the date change and certified the results when they came in, I don't see how any outside organization can butt in and challenge it.

There are rules and procedures that cover this stuff. If the Texas state party organization agreed to it when it happened, then it really ought to be a done deal, because it's the state party's call.

I just really don't see how a candidate can come in after the fact and tell the Texas Dems that their procedures weren't good enough.

Peace,
sw

[Erin Elizabeth]

56. Yes.

They *could NOT* move the date without the approval of the state party. Period.

[scarletwoman]

60. Ah, thank you. That's what I expected. This is just silly, they can't override the TX Dem Party.

Wow, it IS pretty mind-blowing, though! Shakespearian, even. :wow:

Peace,
sw

[Erin Elizabeth]

65. But it's Hillary.

She and her supporters feel they can override anything, I think. Or at least try. At this point, I think the main objective is just to keep her supporters riled up.

[scarletwoman]

71. I sure do hope the Clintons have a contingency plan for when they get their inevitable smackdown.

This is absolutely horrifying. It's the cliche "watching a train wreck in slow motion".

I'll say one thing, this has been the most cliff-hanger political event of my life since Watergate.

Peace,
sw

[frickaline]

52. Any idea on why there was a delay and who was responsible for it?

[Erin Elizabeth]

53. As I've said in a few posts in this thread,

turnout at the precincts was at record levels this year, for obvious reasons.

The normal venues for district conventions wasn't going to cut it in most places, including my own district convention (right next door to Collin County). So they HAD to move to a bigger venue, as mine did.

Mine was able to secure a high school gym for the day of the convention. In Collin County they couldn't reserve ANYTHING big enough for the turnout on the day of.

So they received permission to move it forward one day so they could have a venue big enough. NO one bitched about it. Their convention was held, the delegates broke overwhelmingly for Obama and NOW the Hillary people are objecting.

Whatevs.

[scarletwoman]

57. Thank you. That's really good to know -- see my question above. (nt)

[frickaline]

61. wow

So they had the permission of the state party but I assume no one asked for a sanction at the national level?

Well this will certainly make things interesting... sets up quite a double-standard, wonder if the MSM will pick this up.

[Erin Elizabeth]

70. What are you talking about?

The national level does NOT want all 50 states asking them about every little pea-picking district convention and every little question they have. They'd have to hire a whole group of people just to micromanage issues the states are empowered to manage.

There is verbiage in the state rules that ALLOWS for moving the convention IF there are pressing reasons to do so (and this qualified) and IF the district receives permission from the state.

Both of those things were fulfilled. Hillary people don't have a leg to stand on with this, they're just showing their collective ass once again.

[tammywammy]

77. I'm in SD 10 and was at Will Rogers all day

:crazy:

[Erin Elizabeth]

79. Wow. That was a GINORMOUS convention, then, huh?

[tammywammy]

85. It was in the rodeo arena

Senate district conventions at one end and a gun show going on at the other. LOL

[Erin Elizabeth]

87. OMG ROFL.

Only in Ft. Worth. Only in Ft. Worth.

[KSinTX]

89. Alnd I thought it was a dance hall ...

silly me. Guns were involved, it was an Ice House!!

[KSinTX]

84. How'd we do, my friend (and not in a McCain way) nt

[PM7nj]

54. COUNT EVERY VOTE!

These people are fucking ridiculous.

[scarletwoman]

55. My next question is: What are they, fucking NUTS?!?! Piss off a bunch of rich Texas Dems?!?!

How is this smart?

Peace,
sw

[Erin Elizabeth]

58. But in the case of *black* well-off Texas Dems

it's no biggie.

:sarcasm:

[scarletwoman]

67. Oh wow, I did not know that! OMG! That's just stunning, it really is.

Well, then my next question is; how well-off are they?

Well-off enough to hire a damn good ambitious lawyer who would LOVE to make his bones fighting a civil rights/voting rights case PLUS getting Obama elected? How about the Southern Poverty Law Center?

I hope all the beautiful good Texas Dems I've gotten to know over the years put a great big beautiful smackdown on this shit.

All my best wishes!

Peace,
sw

[Erin Elizabeth]

73. Well, in Collin County they probably have a bit lower percentage

of African-Americans at their district convention. But at my district convention? If you were white, you were one of the very few. My precinct had 33 Obama delegates to send to the district convention and I was the only white one. That ratio stayed the same when I got to the district convention, too.

I thought the Hispanic population in Texas was supposed to be so super strong behind Hillary but honestly, they didn't come out for her like they were supposedly going to (if you listen to Hillary people). I was surprised by that.

[KSinTX]

76. Have you heard the Spanish-language ad BHO did in PR?

I am pissed!! I've been here 12 years and haven't done THAT.

[scarletwoman]

90. Done what? Enquiring minds want to know. (nt)

[KSinTX]

97. Aw dammm, he had it down

I'll post the link: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/05/new_ad_in_puerto_rico_yo_soy_b.php

Barack Obama narrating his own Spanish-language ad in Puerto Rico.

[scarletwoman]

98. Thank you. Unfortunately, my Flintstones era computer can't do videos.

It's enough to know that it's a good thing.

Thanks again,
sw

[gateley]

110. It was a REALLY good thing.

I don't speak Spanish, but I was impressed that it looked like Obama KNEW what he was saying. He'd gesture and emphasize words just like he does in the our ads! :7 I was impressed. Hope he does it during his GE run.

[scarletwoman]

112. Oh cool! Wow, for an old woman like me, this is the first Dem campaign that I can remember

where I'm not cringing all the time at all the awful and stupid things the candidate is doing. It's such a new feeling, I hardly know how to deal with it.

A smart Democratic campaigner, imagine that! :D

Peace,
sw

[scarletwoman]

86. I never understood why Hillary was supposed to be strong with Hispanics.

I haven't been able to remember anything that Bill might have done for them, or what Hillary has done for them in the Senate. That's not to say that they haven't, it's only that nothing comes to my mind.

It seems to me that this assumption that Hispanics would go for Hillary was based on two things:

(1) Clinton Name Recognition coupled with the Dem Brand -- since obviously the Rep Brand wasn't really going over very big with the Hispanics/Latinos anymore.

(2) The Class War Gambit (as played by the Ruling Class) -- count on divisions between Hispanics and Blacks to keep the Hispanics from voting for the Black guy.

Just my 2 cents.

Peace,
sw

[Erin Elizabeth]

92. Yes, it was a HUGE assumption.

And let me tell you, my particular precinct and four precinct area? Is HUGELY Hispanic. Hugely. When I went to caucus the night of the primary, I thought the school would be just filled with Hispanic Hillary supporters.

Nope.

It was filled with African-American Obama supporters. There were a handful of white Obama supporters. And a handful of white Hillary supporters. That's it. Honest to God, I LOOKED for Hispanics. Some of our schools in this area are 87% Hispanic, no joke.

So if she couldn't get out the Hispanic vote here, she couldn't do it much of anywhere. I understand she did have some strong-ish support down in the valley, but that's it. That's pathetic if you're counting on the Hispanic vote all over Texas being wrapped up in a pretty bow.

[scarletwoman]

93. So how do you think it looks for Hispanic votes in November? Can they be won for Obama? (nt)

[Erin Elizabeth]

95. Their other choice is McCain.

Or Bob Barr, LOL. Honestly, I think they'll either stay home or vote Obama. SOME will vote for McCain (those that are conservative, single-issue abortion voters, etc).

[KSinTX]

101. Well you have to understand the political machine in TX

It spreads waaay beyond politics but the Clintons got in early and have a lot of friends (Cisneros) to thank. You can't get jobs without being party to someone here and I was quite shocked that Kennedya and Obama had audience at UT-Pan Am because Blandina "Bambi" Cardenas is solidly in their camp (or used to be). Patronage is a reality in Texas. You do NOT want to be outside that system. Any Texans want to back me on this?

[Erin Elizabeth]

115. Absolutely you speak the truth.

[sonias]

59. But Obama just picked up to superdelegates in Texas tonight

Boyd and Bettie Richie. Boyd is the Texas Democratic Party Chair. Obama is going to win Texas fair and square on June 6th and 7th at our State Convention. Period!

Burnt Orange Report
BREAKING: Superdelegates Boyd & Betty Richie to Endorse Obama

by: Karl-Thomas Musselman
Thu May 29, 2008 at 08:13 PM CDT

According to sources in both presidential campaigns, Texas Democratic Party Chairman Boyd Richie and his wife and DNC member Betty Richie will announce their public support for Barack Obama.

Both are Democratic superdelegates, though as chairman of the Texas Democratic Party, Boyd Richie's superdelegate vote is dependent upon his re-election at the Texas State Democratic Convention June 6-7. Barack Obama's delegates are expected to control the Texas convention by a margin of at least 10% points.

This brings both Obama in parity (14-14) to Clinton among Texas confirmed announced superdelegates according to Burnt Orange Report. Only 4 remain unannounced or with their own unique "issues"- Congressman Nick Lampson, DNC Member Linda Chavez-Thompson, Former DNC Member Bob Strauss, and Young Democrats of American President David Hardt.

:kick:

Two superdelegates from Texas are huge. Plus the Collin county issue still comes to the convention where I'm sure the permanent committee is going to seat them.

Sonia

[KSinTX]

63. Asleep at the wheel! Dang

I've been tracking all freaking day and to find this out is amazing! Thank you and kick me in the ass for missing this!

[Erin Elizabeth]

74. Thanks sonia!

Yep, you hit the nail on the head with that post. Texas for Obama!!!

[rainbow4321]

99. Saw that coming months ago...

Mr Riche was the one who called HRC an "impediment" to TX Dem Party 2 step primary back when she was threatening lawsuit over HER not wanting TX's caucus counted and announced....WHY did she want the information withheld?? Cuz she knew that Obama won our caucus. Her TX people said that releasing the stats "too soon" would result in "half baked" numbers/results.
State law says that caucus results didn't have to be handed in til 3 days post election night but some counties were tallying and releasing the numbers anyway....TX Dem party had put in a $12,000 fund to hurry the result counts because they knew all eyes would be on TX and they wanted to get the results out to the national news. THAT is what HRC was trying to sue over..she didn't want the quick count done BECAUSE she wanted to spend all that week claiming a full TX victory. IF the caucus results were released, it would have shown that she DIDN"T win the caucus results, that Obama did and her faux victory lap would be ruined

Here TX Dems has a historic turnout, so proud of themselves, and HRC comes down here to piss on our parade!!!!!!!!! NOT the thing to do when ***the head of our DNC party AND HIS WIFE**** are both superdelegates!!!!!!!!!!

[L0oniX]

62. Hillary is one sick human being. What a hypocrite. Seek help soon Hillary....

[Stop Cornyn]

69. So much for "counting every vote" -- just more two-faced shit

[rainbow4321]

78. Goddammit!! Leave my county the fuck alone, bitch!!!

It's fucking bullshit! It was well advertised WHEN Collin County was going to have it's convention! It was ALL over the newspaper, all over the State Dem website for weeks! HRC is pissed cuz she lost in a county that was supposed to be her "supporter demographics"

NICER venue had NOTHING to do with it....try COMPLYING WITH FEDERAL LAWS related to safely seating 3400+ people and a place that could park/give access to handicap attendees!
The state and state party knew it, both camps knew it....***HRC people were in the paper the day after our convention saying that they would NOT contest the convention delegates.***
This convention is the one that didn't END til 7 am MONDAY morning...that was a ****20 hour**** convention. WHY?? Because of challenges!! Is HRC pissed cuz Obama people stuck it out and her people left??

Despite the 20 hour convention, Obama still took the county 2-1 over HRC. OH...BTW, my county is the richest, WHITEST county in Texas and HRC LOST!!

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU HILLARY CLINTON!

The state Dem party chairman (Boyd Richie) was in attendence that day...I passed right by him as he was talking about how he had been to so many local conventions in 2 days.


Obama's winning the nomination will be so much sweeter now come Tuesday night....especially to those of us in Collin County!

[KSinTX]

81. Whoa, whoa, whoa rainbow. It's all good

just a couple of lawyers doing some great "Law & Order" footage. It will all be OK. Calm down, my friend. Hillary Clinton's not doing this. It's some supporters who want to make a last stand. It'll go down well. You and I know this.

[Erin Elizabeth]

83. I wish I could give a standing ovation to a post.

Thank you SO MUCH for posting that. You confirmed everything I've heard and read about the Collin County convention (I'm in Dallas county and followed it on the news).

I think Boyd made it to our convention too!

[tammywammy]

91. By nicer they obviously mean "handicapped accessible"

LOL

This is just silly.

[Hansel]

88. Removed by poster

[stillcool]

100. Challenge Denied...

but this is rich...

http://startelegram.typepad.com/politex/

Challenge to Collin County Democrats denied

The Texas Democratic Party's temporary credentials committee voted unanimously this evening to deny a challenge aimed at unseating the entire Collin County delegation from attending next week's state convention.

Frederick Barrow, an Obama supporter from Collin County, tells us the committee decided to reject the challenge after it was discovered the man who made the challenge didn't live in Collin County.

During debate on the challenge this morning, at least two members of the 10-member temporary credentials committee signaled they may be willing to vote in favor of deseating the Collin County delegates because the county party held their convention last month on the wrong date.

[KSinTX]

104. Chica, I'm soooo gonna kiss you

:wtf: you ask? Just cause I wanna

[stillcool]

109. It put a smile on my face...

:toast:

[tammywammy]

105. He didn't even LIVE in Collin County?!?!?

Then why is he wasting everyone's time?

Moron.

[stillcool]

106. too fucking funny...

you can't make this shit up. On edit..I guess he did!

[KSinTX]

108. Excuse me, it's MORAN. Get it right, thank you

[Genevieve]

111. Ha ha

:rofl:

Thanks.

[milkyway]

114. Hillary's protesters on their way to DC should head to Texas instead, and bring markers--

to add the word DON'T in front of COUNT THE VOTES.

[MagickMuffin]

118. It really is a shame how Team Clinton always want to change the Game Plan after AGREEING to it,

if it doesn't benefit them in the end.

As a Precinct Permanent Secretary of my Precinct Convention/Caucus, I informed EVERY DELEGATE that our SD Convention had a change in venue. My Precinct went overwhelmingly for Clinton. I called EVERYONE the Monday before the SD Convention and informed them where the Convention was to be held, I also called them the Friday night before to inform them about a parking fee and to bring food and wear comfortable clothes.

It's soooo sad :cry:that her camp is what's wrong with the Democratic Party. My Precinct was challenged at my SD Convention, it took us 3 hours to get our credentials. I did not let that sway my enthusiasm in the least. I was pissed about it, because I was called the Thursday before and thought it had been resolved. I did not let Team Clinton take away my vote.

Hopefully this will get resolved before the State Convention next weekend.


There is some good news, Boyd Richie the Texas Democratic State Chair and his wife Betty both Super Delegates has come out and ENDORSED Barack Obama.:applause:

[crickets]

119. This is the best primary thread EVER.

Reading through the twists and turns has been fascinating. :popcorn:

I am so glad that Texas (esp Collins County) got *busy*, that we have posters here who were so involved and willing to share what is happening on the ground, and that this matter got settled so quickly. Hillary, what were your TX supporters thinking? Gawd.