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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:19 AM
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Hillary Clinton Focuses on Issues Important to Voters in Montana and South Dakota

(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)



PABLO, Montana -- With the jagged, snow-covered peaks of the Mission Mountains as a backdrop, Sen. Hillary Clinton pledged her support Tuesday to tribal sovereignty, Indian health care and economic growth on reservations in Montana.

“We need a president next January who understands the obligation that the United States government has to the tribes that represent the first peoples of the United States,” Clinton told a crowd of more than 1,000 at Salish Kootenai College on the Flathead Indian reservation.

Hillary Clinton drew loud cheers Tuesday, promising to include Indians in her health care plan and to tackle health issues like diabetes.
Clinton was greeted by tribal dancers and given a pair of moccasins and a beaded necklace by Joseph McDonald, the president of the tribal college.




(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)



Should she overcome Obama's comfortable lead in delegates and beat Sen. John McCain in the general election, Clinton promised to appoint and work closely with a representative of Indian Country and to create more economic opportunities for tribes in the region.

Renewable energy production could be a huge source of income for tribes in the West, Clinton said, and it would help relieve the nation’s energy crisis.

“Under my energy plan, the federal government will be investing in tribal leaders who want to make the transition to clean energy. There are many places in the United States, in Indian country, that could be the leaders in wind and solar energy, and geothermal energy,” Clinton said.




(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)



When 10-year-old Payton Lefthand of Polson heard on the radio Tuesday morning that Sen. Hillary Clinton was going to be in Pablo - Pablo! - campaigning later in the day, he informed his grandmother of two things:

First, he would be skipping school to go hear her, and second, his grandmother would be taking him.

OK, he asked if they could go listen - but Naida Lefthand knew she didn't have much of a choice. “When she first announced she was a candidate, Payton thought it was so cool,” Naida said. “He's kind of convinced everybody to vote for her.”

The Lefthands - Payton's 9-year-old sister Lauren came, too - arrived by noon, early enough to secure front-row seats during Clinton's outdoor appearance at Salish Kootenai College.

Lauren even got to ask the former first lady a question after her speech - what would she do in her first 100 days as president? - while Payton was content to listen.

He wanted to be here, he said, “because Hillary might become the first woman to be a president.”




(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)



Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Clinton pointed to a sign bobbing among a mob of supporters at Salish Kootenai College on Tuesday and nodded in agreement.

Clinton read the sign aloud, “Native Vote. It Counts,” and with a wide grin added her own touch: “It counts more than ever.”

Clinton's appearance on the Flathead Indian Reservation was greeted with a crowd of some 1,200 supporters, who chanted “Hill-a-ry, Hill-a-ry”, when the New York senator stepped onto a small platform at the start of a town hall-style rally.




(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)



“We need a president that will represent the tribes of the first people of the United States,” Clinton told the diverse crowd of young and old, tribal and non-tribal members, who stomped and whistled in appreciation.

“We were moving forward - not fast enough, but with discernable progress, much of which has either stalled or gone backward (during the current administration),” Clinton said, adding: “We need a president next January who understands the obligation the United States government has to the tribes that represent the first peoples of the United States.”

“We must return to what was the case in the Clinton White House in the 1990s - we will have a representative of Indian Country inside the White House working with the president every single day. That's what we did in the '90s. George Bush eliminated that; I will return it so those issues are the highest priority in the White House and in the president's office.”





(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)



MADISON, South Dakota -- Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton stopped in (at a diner) in Madison Thursday morning and asked Democrats to vote for her in South Dakota's primary on Tuesday.

Clinton spoke one-on-one with a number of people at the diner, as well as making remarks and taking questions from the crowd. She was engaging and attentive.

To possess those characteristics in a campaign of this length and intensity is remarkable. Both Clinton and fellow candidate Barack Obama have unbelievable schedules, campaigning every morning, afternoon and evening, seven days a week. They're in the public spotlight every minute and each word they speak is dissected by local, state and national observers.




(AP Photos/Elise Amendola)



Clinton showed no effects of that grueling schedule Thursday morning. Her pace of meeting people and speaking with them was appropriate. She took time to talk to students and ask them about their future plans.

She alluded only briefly to the questions about her leaving the race when it appears Obama will win the nomination. She stuck to her theme that Democrats of every state should be allowed to make their voices heard -- even in a state like South Dakota, which has fewer delegates and is last on the primary schedule.

A presidential candidate doesn't make it to Madison very often, and Clinton's appearance Thursday is symbolic of her tireless drive.






(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)



HURON, SD -- Saying it "really all does come down to next Tuesday," Hillary Clinton said that the enthusiasm she's seen among South Dakotans proves that she was right to fight to the bitter end of the campaign calendar. (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/29/1078181.aspx)

"A lot of folks said, 'Well, you know, by the time we get to South Dakota and Montana, people are going to be tired of it,'" Clinton said, again quoting unnamed skeptics. "Well, I don't know what they're talking about... I think there is an enormous amount of enthusiasm for this election here in South Dakota, and it's because you're taking our measure and you're trying to decide who you can count on to be your president."




(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)



Clinton, who said that politics "can get either silly or complicated," said this nomination "really all does come down to next Tuesday," and pointed to the fact that voters across America have ignored pundits who have called the race over.

"This is the closest election we've had in a really long time," she said. "They've been trying to tell me to stop running since January. Every time they say it, people rebuke it, and keep voting for me. That's what I hope will happen here in South Dakota."

The rally here was held indoors because of rain. Only some of the crowd was able to fit into the meeting hall where she spoke, and Clinton later greeted some of the overflow outside. "We couldn't get everybody in here," she told the audience. "But I want to take credit for the rain, 'cause I know that's something that everybody is happy to see."




(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)



Clinton had one of the best turnouts of her South Dakota campaign in Huron, but the event didn't come off as planned. She was to have spoken in a park under a red, white and blue band shell, facing two rows of American flags. But with a light drizzle coming down and the prospect of heavier rain, campaign officials reluctantly moved indoors about an hour and a half before she arrived from Madison.

They scrambled to set up a banquet room in the nearby Huron Events Center.

While Secret Service agents swept the room with a dog, hundreds of people - many under umbrellas - waited outside in a line stretching down the block. Space inside the events center was limited, and many people were sent to an overflow room. Others didn't make it inside.

Like South Dakota as a whole, Huron doesn't attract many presidential candidates. Eileen Sheffield, who has spent her whole life in the area, last saw a presidential candidate in Huron in 1968 when Robert F. Kennedy visited a local drug store.

"This might be the last time," Sheffield said. "I'm 74. I hope it's not, but who knows?"




(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)



Hillary Clinton told the crowd in rain-soaked Huron, South Dakota, that the decision on whom to hire for president comes down to two questions: Who's ready to be president, and who can beat John McCain. She says he'll be a "formidable candidate."

Though her rival, Barack Obama, leads in the delegate count, Clinton, by her campaign's calculations, says she leads in the popular vote.

Clinton says the "excitement and interest" in Tuesday's South Dakota primary shows the race is not over.

She says Tuesday the whole world will be looking at South Dakota and Montana.




(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)



Many Hillary Clinton supporters were wearing pins at Thursday's town hall meeting in Huron.

Clinton says she has solutions for South Dakota's future and much of that involves more fiscal responsibility in Washington D.C.

Thursday she addressed food production in the Huron area and tax cuts for the middle class.

Every baby born in South Dakota is born with $30,000 dollars of debt on his or her tiny shoulders," said Sen. Hillary Clinton.

And Clinton says she is going work to fix the nine trillion dollar national debt problem. The crowd gathered at the Huron arena pondered her message and some agree.




(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)



Clinton centered much of her speech on high gas prices, defending her plan to have a gas tax holiday, and vowing to take on oil companies and oil producing states.

"You will not see me as president holding hands with the Saudis," she said. "I’ll be trying to hold them accountable.”

"This is a farming community, and there's a lot of concern here," said Lori Olson, who owns an excavating business. "I want to hear about what she has to say about the price of diesel."

Lawrence Runge, a farmer near Wessington, says it's costing him about $400 to $500 to fill his tractor. Runge, who grows corn, said the higher gas prices are the reason behind inflation in food.

"We're not getting it," he said. "They think the farmers are getting it, but it's the guy selling the fuel, the fertilizer and the see that's getting it."





Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton speaks at a campaign event in Watertown, S.D. Thursday, May 29, 2008.(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)




Facing an increasingly improbable candidacy for the White House, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton showed no signs of stopping on the trail in South Dakota and cited an old Arkansas, saying in an off-handed reference to her campaign: "you can't tell how far a frog will jump until you punch him." (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/clinton-you-can.html)

Clinton continued to express her exasperation with the press.

"I am tired," said Clinton with exasperation. "I am tired of politicians and people in the press saying we cant do things. We are the can do nation."

Clinton was asked Wednesday night if she really wanted reporters to be more vigorous and aggressive – she said that she does, but on the "right things."

"I really do," insisted Clinton. "I really do. On the right things. On things that are important to the future of our country. On things that really matter. I would love that."




(AFP/File/Robyn Beck)

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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:27 AM
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1. Hillary Clinton the total Pander Bear
BTW .... i just looked @ the pix you post was way to freaking long.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:29 AM
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2. I feel so bad
that you had to wait for the photos to emerge so you could post your little criticisms
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:56 AM
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9. The pix are fine it is the big lie she keeps pushing.
Though her rival, Barack Obama, leads in the delegate count, Clinton, by her campaign's
calculations, says she leads in the popular vote.

That is a bald faced lie and Hillary knows it.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:00 AM
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12. I'm not pushing that here
you should recognize and appreciate that, if you're sincere about your own argument in that regard.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:14 PM
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54. A lot of us do BT. Don't sweat it. Emotions are high, and lines are blurred.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:58 AM
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10. this election is about the people --not about your whining about long posts--look at the
excitement of the people who come to the rallies!

......HURON, SD -- Saying it "really all does come down to next Tuesday," Hillary Clinton said that the enthusiasm she's seen among South Dakotans proves that she was right to fight to the bitter end of the campaign calendar. (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/29/10781... )

"A lot of folks said, 'Well, you know, by the time we get to South Dakota and Montana, people are going to be tired of it,'" Clinton said, again quoting unnamed skeptics. "Well, I don't know what they're talking about... I think there is an enormous amount of enthusiasm for this election here in South Dakota, and it's because you're taking our measure and you're trying to decide who you can count on to be your president."
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:00 PM
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17. hey rodeo!
It really IS all about what the voters want, isn't it? At least, it should be.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:41 PM
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23. it sure is. And no one should forget that.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:42 AM
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3. Great Post - Hill's the better candidate -she's got the most votes/most likely to win -great photo's
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:07 PM
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21. "most likely to win"
Bwahahahahah :rofl: You are funny!
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:57 PM
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36. Both lies, really how do you people get through a day with those brains?
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:43 AM
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4. Beautiful views. She should really wear that blue color more often
It looks great on her. The necklace is pretty as well.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:50 AM
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5. Thanks for a positive post. Nice pics too!
I admit I didn't read every bit. But yours is the only thread I've looked at this morning - everything else
looks like flame-bait to me. You are a consistently great poster - don't let the snark discourage you. :hi:

I may be an Obama supporter, but I'll happily vote for Hillary in November over McLame if that's the choice!

Thanks.
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:54 AM
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6.  Thanks for the pictures, but
Edited on Fri May-30-08 09:55 AM by Tippy
I wondered why her venues were so small for the most part...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:54 AM
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7. Lots of lovely detail in this necklace she was given:



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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:55 AM
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8. My older brother who lives in Sioux Falls thinks she's one big JOKE.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 09:56 AM by ShortnFiery
The good people of South Dakota are nobody's fool. Many get up at O'dark thirty to milk the cows or do other chores required on the ranch/farm. They can spot PHONY a mile away. :thumbsdown:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:00 AM
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11. I spotted phony Obama long time ago.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:16 AM
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14. I won't say who I spotted as a phony a long time ago.
;)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:06 PM
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20. LOL
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MrRobotsHolyOrders Donating Member (681 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:38 PM
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56. Did Bill Donohue tell you?
I hear he's quite reputable.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:26 AM
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15. KAWA-BUNGA PALEFACE
NICE DENTURES BUT SUCH SHORT ARMS
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:23 PM
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28. over here in Rapid City i'd say she's doing pretty good; i'v only seen 1 Obama yard sign in the enti
entire town; i've seen too many hillary signs to count. i've also made some canvassing phone calls to democrats in the area and haven't reached a single Obama supporter.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:01 AM
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13. Awesome. Great Job.
K&R
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Rainbowreflect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:34 AM
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16. Great pictures.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:05 PM
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18. Thanks Bigtree...
K&R
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:06 PM
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19. Glad to see you back. We need more of these kinds of posts. n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:31 PM
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22. :kick:
:kick:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:42 PM
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24. kicky pooooooooo
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:47 PM
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25. very nice and as always well done SIR lol
and looking forward to the final tabulations of the primary voters AND THE CAUCUS PARTICIPANTS. I am sure that you did not mean to discard the states that use caucuses.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:49 PM
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26. those folks know what they're doing
I don't expect any surprises
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:02 PM
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27. are you referring to tomorrow?
I believe that it is all scripted out - the compromises all agreed to and it will be a quiet Saturday a nice big win for Hillary on Sunday and a couple honorable wins for Obama on Tuesday. Wednesday everyone begins to shift gears. My comments about caucuses were in reference to comments made upthread that referred to primary voters but seem to over look caucuse supporters.

Sorry we had a couple of Obama dimwits mess up your thread - they don't get it.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:19 PM
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32. I do think it'll be mostly like you say
Edited on Fri May-30-08 03:20 PM by bigtree
scripted and an effort to provide something for both candidates to hold on to.

In the end, with the supers looking at the end of the primaries, I can't imagine any case where any significant majority responds favorably to any appeal which doesn't recognize the primacy of the delegates apportioned by the states.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:29 PM
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29. Have any former candidates campaigned in...
the reservations or visited the tribes of Native Americans in previous years?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:21 PM
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33. John Kerry got a favorable response in New Mexico, I believe.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:42 AM
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61. I am now
banging my head against a tree.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:41 PM
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30. Yeah, Hillary used totalk about issues that concerned African-Americans, too...
But since she has been convinced she won't be able to draw many voters, she has turned on them, insulting them, and saying their votes aren't importan.

I hope the Montana and SDakota voters don't take it personally when she turns on them and starts insulting them. She's a little bipolar that way, kind of like John McCain.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 02:44 PM
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31. Not a Hill supporter but must say your post is very good
A refreshing post that tells a story with pictures from a totally positive point of view. What a revelation! Good job.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:49 PM
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34. .
:thumbsup:
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:55 PM
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35. Be careful with this one, Bigtree. Her husband came to Oregon to talk salmon in 93
Made a lot of promises about funding for dam removal and retraining Foresters...

Little happened, and the local Yakama, Klamath and Salish peoples ended up with continued loses to their fisheries. Now Hillary is promising more timber for the wood products industry, which history has shown leads to more run off and less salmon.

She can't make Federal promises about local issues, never works. Mere pandering.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:25 PM
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38. well, here's her promise
Stopping and Reversing the Depletion of Wild Salmon

The Bush administration has stonewalled for eight years and done precious little to restore wild salmon stocks in the Pacific Northwest. Senator Clinton will act to stop the slide of wild salmon populations, and will work to leave them better off at the end of her Presidential term than they are today. Hillary will act responsibly to restore wild salmon stocks to healthy, sustainable, and harvestable surpluses.

Senator Clinton will get to work immediately by directing her administration to bring to the table every group that has a potential role in solving the problem-including cities, farmers, foresters, businesses, utilities- as other stakeholders including environmentalists, the Tribes and sport and commercial fishermen. She will push the parties to come to the table to work on an agreement, with the understanding that every group must be prepared to give something up in order to do what it will take to restore wild salmon.

Senator Clinton does not favor breaching large dams to aid in salmon recovery, but believes that restoring the wild salmon of the Pacific Northwest is so important that all options will remain on the table until stakeholders join with her in arriving at solutions that actually work.



Protecting Remaining Old Growth Forests and Roadless Areas

Senator Clinton will reverse the Bush Administration’s efforts to remove protections for our most pristine and valuable public forest lands. Hillary will direct the Secretary of Agriculture and Secretary of the Interior to move aggressively to protect all remaining ancient forests in the western, wet forests of Oregon. Hillary will also direct her Administration to develop plans to appropriately thin in east side, "dry" forests that have suffered from misguided forest suppression, and then move to protect those old growth forests from commercial timber harvest and other extractive activities.

In addition, Senator Clinton will act to fully protect federal roadless areas from road-building and commercial logging.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/hq/oregon/compact/compact.aspx#8



We need to focus on larger protection areas (buffer areas) and more of an effort to ban the logging roads on public and private land.
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:38 PM
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41. That is exactely what I mean. Those promises from 93 were left unfulfilled
even through the Bill years. No corporate candidate is going to solve the Western resource issues with words. This is just a repeat of 15 years ago:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2889/is_n13_v29/ai_14081146/pg_2

Remarks on opening the Forest Conference in Portland, Oregon - President Bill Clinton - Transcript
Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents, April 5, 1993

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We're here to begin a process that will help ensure that you will be able to work together in your communities, for the good of your businesses, your jobs, and your natural environment. The process we begin today will not be easy. Its outcome cannot possibly make everyone happy. Perhaps it won't make anyone completely happy. But the worst thing we can do is nothing. As we begin this process, the most important thing we can do is to admit, all of us to each other, that there are no simple or easy answers.

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This is not about choosing between jobs and the environment but about recognizing the importance of both and recognizing that virtually everyone here and everyone in this region cares about both. After all, nobody appreciates the natural environment more than the working people who depend upon it for fishing, for boating, for teaching their children to respect the land, the rivers, and the forests. And most environmentalists are working people and business people themselves, and understand that only an economically secure America can have the strength and confidence necessary to preserve our land, our water and our forests, as you can see in how badly they're despoiled in nations that are not economically secure.

A healthy economy and a healthy environment are not at odds with each other. They are essential to each other. Here in the Northwest, as in my own home State, people understand that healthy forests are important for a healthy forest-based economy; understand that if we destroy our old growth forest, we'll lose jobs in salmon fishing and tourism and, eventually, in the timber industry as well. We'll destroy recreational opportunities in hunting and fishing for all and eventually make our communities less attractive.

We all understand these things. Let's not be afraid to acknowledge them and to recognize the simple but powerful truth that we come here today less as adversaries than as neighbors and coworkers. Let's confront problems, not people.

Today I ask all of you to speak from your hearts, and I ask you to listen and strive to understand the stories of your neighbors. We're all here because we want a healthy economic environment and a healthy natural environment, because we want to end the divisions here in the Northwest and the deadlock in Washington.

If we commit today to move forward together, we can arrive at a balanced solution and put the stalemate behind us. Together, we can make a new start.

Thank you very much.

NOTE: The President spoke at 10:38 a.m. at the Oregon Convention Center. In his remarks, he referred to Governor Barbara Roberts of Oregon, Governor Mike Lowry of Washington, Governor Cecil D. Andrus of Idaho, and Mayor Vera Katz of Portland.




Here is a link for the 2000 recovery planning written before Bill left office (yep, still not implemented):

http://www.nwfsc.noaa.gov/trt/archive/overview.cfm


What was the result? Here's a 2007 report link:

http://www.wtopnews.com/?nid=220&sid=1397126
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:55 PM
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43. so she'd improve on all of that
Edited on Fri May-30-08 06:57 PM by bigtree
She's not Bill Clinton and she had NO control AT ALL over the Interior Department or the Energy Dept. at the time (or during the Bush presidency which followed her husband's two-term one), much less any of the influence or votes she has had since that presidency as senator.
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:33 PM
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55. I don't think you get my point
Probably because I haven't made it well.

My point is that part of a politician's job is to pander to get elected. I am happy that Hillary is at least saying the right things. I just highly doubt that she, Obama or any other president, senator or congressman is going to have any impact as long as corporate interests control tax policy, election funding and corporate welfare policy.

So, Hillary's promises of saving the salmon are worthless to me. As worthless as her husband's were. If she would distance herself from corporate America, embrace Progressive social policy, build a track record of success, prove her street credentials and I could trust her (which ain't going to happen this year), then I would get behind her with all of my heart. (But only after she eats an entire humble pie for the vote authorizing war)

Until then, I vote Obama. Not because he is more experienced, but because he is more inspiring, has activist street cred, and speaks to me. But I damn sure don't believe that he or any other Federal government is going to solve Western timber, salmon or mining problems, not without local, state and tribal government.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:37 AM
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59. well, we'd see their commitment in who they appoint
and we go on faith with these politicians.
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 09:43 AM
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64. Agreed, that is why my mind exercises caution. Peace to you
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:25 PM
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37. Is seating FL and MI important to SD and MT?
:rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:27 PM
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39. I'm sure they care about these issues the same as anyone else
. . . from wherever they advocate from.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:32 PM
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40. Hillary's campaign has done a disservice to her
I think that Obama is an excellent candidate with an excellent campaign. However, Hillary might be an excellent candidate, but her campaign really dropped the ball this primary season. She needed to pivot off of FL and MI when she was stumping in the northwestern mountain states. If I was an undecided concerned about gas prices, the last thing I want to hear is about FL and MI. She needs to do some polls and she'll find out most voters are apathetic to whether or not some special elites in the party get a special chair at a Convention. CNN had some on the street polling in FL today and most of the people didn't know about the DNC meeting Saturday. :rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:50 PM
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42. you focused on that
read the articles.

There are plenty of accounts of voters who've attended that responded to the rest of her appeals and presentations. You're just dishonest about the focus of her campaign, or you're just seeing what you want. I've posted a wide breadth of issues and concerns which her campaign has offered solutions for throughout the campaign.

It's a shame that you chose to highlight and focus your criticisms on such a small fraction of what was reported that she actually spent time discussing at these events. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion on Michigan and Florida, but the concern you express about her campaign is hopelessly muddled by your narrow focus on the things you oppose about her candidacy.

The voters in these states won't be influential in the decision of the party insiders, except in whatever numbers they produce for either candidate. Party insiders will do what party insiders do. It's not unusual for the people they represent to be out of their sphere of influence and decision-making.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:29 PM
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46. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit
Let me break it down into terms that even Dubya can grasp:

Hillary = good. Hillary's staffers = not so good.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:18 PM
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48. like I said
you appear to know very little about her staff or anything else about her campaign outside of whatever narrow view or focus you've chosen in your opposition to her candidacy.

my comprehension of the Clinton campaign - good
hokies4ever's comprehension of the Clinton campaign - not so good

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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:04 PM
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52. Barack Obama's chance at nomination = near perfect
Hillary's chance at nomination = dream on! :rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:35 AM
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58. and that will be just fine
when it happens
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k8conant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:00 PM
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44. yawn
and yawn again
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:16 PM
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45. now you've gone and ruined it for everyone with your yawning



Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., boards her campaign plane in Newburgh, N.Y., en route to Puerto Rico Friday, May 30, 2008. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 07:44 PM
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47. drinkin', lyin', cheatin', and chasing sheep?
Edited on Fri May-30-08 07:45 PM by HooptieWagon
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:26 PM
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49. not quite
Edited on Fri May-30-08 08:30 PM by bigtree
projecting?




A child listens to U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) during a campaign event at Casa Cuba in San Juan May 25, 2008. The sign reads, "Puerto Ricans with Hillary" ( REUTERS/Ana Martinez)
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:29 PM
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50. It's what she's good at
I figured maybe she'd connect on commonalities.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 08:32 PM
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51. you're the only one I see here promoting smut
Edited on Fri May-30-08 08:33 PM by bigtree
It must be hard finding someone to share all of that with. Inspiring.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 09:09 PM
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53. Thanks bigtree
Thanks Hillary.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:41 PM
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57. Good to see both Dem Candidates
out there on the Rez, talking tribal issues!
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Broke Dad Donating Member (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:41 AM
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60. Forgot to mention . . .
That Tom Daschle, Tim Johnson and Stephanie Herseth have all endorsed Obama!

Now even George McGovern, Hillary's political godfather has endorsed Obama.

I grew up in Minnehaha County and all my relatives still farm there. My ex is from Brown County and I worked in Ft. Pierre doing farm and irrigation wiring for awhile.
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Rene Donating Member (758 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 12:59 AM
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62. Thank You for that wonderful post...and sharing Hillary's campaign stops with us
We haven't seen nearly enough of that wonderful woman with the people she meets and interfaces with during
this entire campaign. I am so ready for Hillary to be President of the United States of America. Here's a real, honest, lovely and loving person. I also met Chelsea a few months back. Bill and Hillary have raised an absolutely beautiful young woman.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-31-08 01:10 AM
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63. I read the turn out at Salish Kootenai College was less than 200. Yawn ......... zzzzzzzzzzzz.......
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