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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:50 AM
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Puerto Rico Turnout Is Expected To Be 500K. Hillary Needs A Net 300K To Win Popular Vote w/ Florida.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 11:01 AM by malik flavors
Turnout in Puerto Rico

The new Greenberg Quinlan Rosner poll of Puerto Rico provides some hints at what turnout might be on the island.

In the survey, Puerto Rican adults were asked to rate their likelihood of voting in Sunday's primary on a scale of 1 to 10. 46 percent rated themselves as at least a 6 out of 10. How many voters is this?

Puerto Rico had a July 2007 population estimate of 3.94 million. However, Puerto Rico is a young country; roughly 30 percent of Puerto Ricans are under age 18. That leaves 2.76 million Puerto Ricans who are old enough to vote; 46 percent of that total would be 1.27 million.

But saying you are going to vote is different than actually doing so -- particularly when the primaries are held on a Sunday afternoon and the polls are only open until 3 PM. What percentage of voters who say they're going to vote actually do?

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And as such, taking the high and low end of the range, we'd estimate that somewhere between 34.7 percent and 64.0 percent of Puerto Rico's 1.27 million "likely voters" will actually turn out to vote. That would represent a turnout of between 441,000 and 813,000.

Intuitively, this seems like a pretty reasonable range. Puerto Rican officials expect a turnout of about 500,000. Joe Sestak, who might be echoing the expectations of the Clinton camp, says 450,000 to 500,000. Puerto Rican elections expert Manuel Alvarez-Rivera guesses 600,000. The record for turnout in a Democratic primary is 870,000, when Ted Kennedy made a visit to the island in his challenge to Jimmy Carter. So there are a lot of numbers coming up in that mid-to-high six figures range.

Unfortunately for Clinton, this is probably not the margin she would need to win the +Florida version of the popular vote count. Presently, Obama holds a lead of 273,877 votes if Florida (but not Michigan) is counted for Senator Clinton. Obama is likely to net about 25 or 30 thousand votes between Montana and South Dakota, so we'll round that number up to 300,000. That's how many votes Clinton will need to win in Puerto Rico to lay a claim on this version of the popular vote.

The problem is that if turnout is only 500,000, Clinton would need to win by 60 points (e.g. 80-20) in order to secure that margin. And that just ain't going to happen. 20 points? 25 points? Possible, considering how little anyone knows about this primary. 30 points? Who knows. But 60 points isn't going to happen.

Even if turnout got up to the 870,000 number from the Kennedy-Carter election, Clinton would still need to win by about 34 points to net 300,000 votes out of her effort. That seems like a stretch.

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http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/05/turnout-in-puerto-rico.html

EDIT: I REALIZE POPULAR VOTE DOESN'T COUNT, BUT I WANT HIM TO WIN IT ANYWAY, SO THERE'S NO NEED TO MENTION THAT.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:51 AM
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1. Popular vote is a sideshow...
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:20 AM
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17. Bingo. That's ALL it is. n/t
PB
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:53 AM
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2. Popular votes don't count in primaries and caucuses, the delegates they generate do.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 10:54 AM by rocknation
And Puerto Rico doesn't vote in the GE so it's a moot issue no matter how you slice it.

:headbang:
rocknation
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doublethink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:57 AM
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3. Moot Point ........
Edited on Fri May-30-08 11:01 AM by doublethink
Kobe Bryant Leads the NBA playoffs in scoring. Has scored more points than anyone on any other team. Does that mean he's won the NBA Championship? NO.

Go Lakers !!! :)
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:01 AM
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4. Wait a minute. We allow all Puerto Ricans to vote? Even some fundie Puerto Rican?
Edited on Fri May-30-08 11:02 AM by hnmnf
Well thats a little fucked up. Thats even worse than a competely open primary here in the States.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:03 AM
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6. Fundie Puerto Ricans?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:04 AM
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7. RW nutbag Puerto Ricans.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:08 AM
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8. I doubt they listen to Rush in Puerto Rico.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:02 AM
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5. I realize many here don't care about popular vote, but I want him to win it anyway.
I don't want there to be any debating who won this nomination.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:11 AM
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10. But it will be impossible to really know what the popular vote totals are.
As has been said many times in this forum, some caucus states did not count votes. They only counted delegates. So we will never know what the vote totals were from those states. So therefore it will be impossible to know how many votes either candidate really got. So based upon that fact, how could there be a legitimate debate over who won the nomination based upon popular votes when we don't know what the popular vote totals are?

There should be no debate over who won. It's whoever gets the most delegates and that will almost certainly be Obama.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:12 AM
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11. I want him to win it by what realclearpolitics has it as.
Yes, I realize it isn't legit, but I want him to win it anyway.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:17 AM
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15. RCP just uses estimates, not real vote totals.
So you are going to decide the nominee based upon RCP estimates? Those estimates could be very inaccurate. It's impossible to know for sure. For the love of God, for the umpteenth time. We don't know how many vote's either candidate got. Estimates just don't cut it. The only accurate figure we have is delegate totals.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 01:49 PM
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20. I'm not deciding the nominee based off popular vote, I just want him to come out ahead.
Edited on Fri May-30-08 01:50 PM by malik flavors
Now chill out.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:59 PM
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22. How can you know if he has come out ahead or not when you don't know what the vote totals are?
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:03 PM
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23. i'm going by the RCP numbers.
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:09 AM
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9. WHAT popular vote? There is no way to win something that can't be counted.
:banghead:
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:13 AM
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12. Did you see the big bold statement at the end of the Op?
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:29 AM
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18. Saw it....and still don't understand how he can win something
that doesn't exist.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:13 AM
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13. Florida doesn't count. Obama will take SD and MT and in the end win the delegates needed to nominat
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:20 AM
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16. After Saturday, I think Florida and their vote will count.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 11:14 AM
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14. thanks for the info.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:02 PM
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19. Popular vote isn't relevant unless someone is crazy!
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