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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:56 PM
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Hillary will not get what she wants tomorrow
Listening to Ed Shultz on Sirius, I heard the vice-chairman of the DNC say clearly (at the end of a rather uninformative interview) that the position of the DNC is that the contests in MI and FL were not legitimate. She also sounded confident that it was going to be settled without any kind of commotion.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:02 PM
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1. She'll continue to fight it.
I have no doubt.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:06 PM
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2. Well, there were a couple of old Japanese soldiers running around islands in the South Pacific
after Hirohito surrendered. World War II was over, but that don't mean they stopped fighting it.

Why? Because they were delusional from their battle. As is Hillary.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:10 PM
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3. I agree.
She needs to take a step back and really take a look at what she's doing. I think she's lost all perspective in this primary. What a bizarre thing to witness.
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PeterH1969 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:39 PM
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4. How can anyone in their righr mind expect
Hillary to get out if she has the most votes?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:40 PM
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5. WTMIL
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:41 PM
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6. Because she doesn't have the most votes, that's why
and more importantly, she doesn't have the most DELEGATES. The Democratic Party chooses its nominee on the basis of delegates won in nominating contests, not on the basis of 'popular vote'. And 'popular vote' is a worthless metric in a process that includes many states whose delegates are selected by caucus. If you do not understand this, you are an idiot.
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PeterH1969 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:55 PM
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7. HIllary does indeed have the most votes
If you don't believe it, check out this site for the figures. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

By the way, there is no rule saying that the candidate with the most pledged delegates gets the nomination.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 04:59 PM
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8. And popular vote (which she doesn't have) matters how?
Sorry, you're including two invalid contests. Care to try again? Not that I care if you do because THE POPULAR VOTE MEANS NOTHING.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:03 PM
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9. AND a non-state U.S. territory AND discounted caucuses that Obama won.
her numbers are bullshit.
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PeterH1969 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:12 PM
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12. If Obama refuses to do the two states over
then he should have to accept the results of the original primaries because the people can't be denied the right to vote and have their votes counted or the whole thing is a farce.



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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:05 PM
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18. I see you're an idiot.
Look into the DNC rules for automatic sanctions of states that violate the primary calendar. (Helpful hint: 50% loss of delegates. In the rules.) Look into Harold Ickes, Clinton adviser, voting to sanction MI and FL. and while you're at it look into 2004, when Michigan pulled the same stunt, when almost all of the Democratic candidates toolk their names off the ballot, and when over 70% (!) of the vote went to 'uncommitted'.

Come back when you have a clue.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:06 PM
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11. Hillary will not win, sorry dude. nt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:22 PM
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14. THere is a rule that the candidate with the most Delegates
is the NOminee. Watch the super flood next week.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:25 PM
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15. do you even read what you link
the reason that they estimate the popular vote is because they don't have a popular vote. The caucuses don't have a popular vote.

Tell me, you who wants to include every state how many votes did Obama get in oh lets say Iowa. I say he got 1,000,000.

There is a rule saying that the candidate who gets the most pledged delegates gets the nomination. Each delgate gets one vote and they vote on the nomination. Nothing else is counted. Delegate votes only.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:16 PM
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20. Followed your link. It says you're lying.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:05 PM
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10. HAHHAHAAHAHAHA
good one.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:14 PM
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13. She doesn't. Shes trailing on every metric, including delegates (which only counts)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:27 PM
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16. she won't she is out of money
her surrogates have already given notice that they are not sticking around.

Rendell, Schumer, Patterson, Feinstein all have said after the Primary its over.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 05:44 PM
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17. It appears that the Obama supporters have nothing to fear
as he is winning on delegate count and all she has going for her is that more voters want her than him. The Democrats seem to have perfected the ability to win more votes and loose the elections.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 06:07 PM
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19. Loose? Possibly. Lose? No. Also, I like how you want to disenfranchise caucus states.
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