Obama and Clinton need to sponsor or support the anti-cluster bomb initiative. Who's with me?

[Danger Mouse]

It's very telling when we're in a boat with RUSSIA and CHINA refusing to ban cluster bombs.
I think Obama and Clinton need to make a stand and show their dove credentials.
THERE IS NO REASON FOR US TO USE CIVILIAN BUTCHERING CLUSTER BOMBS.
IF OBAMA AND CLINTON WANT TO SHOW THEIR COMMITMENT TO PEACE, THEY NEED TO SHOW A WILLINGNESS TO PUT AN END TO OUR USE OF CLUSTER BOMBS. MORE THAN 100 OTHER COUNTRIES ARE DOING IT - WHY CAN'T WE?

[gateley]

1. ME!

I thought there was a vote on this recently -- am I thinking of something else?

IS there a current initiative?

Thanks for any info. :hi:

[Danger Mouse]

2. There is, I believe, a bill that is languishing but has already been sponsored by multiple dems.

Obama and Clinton have not sponsered, but the sponsorship of either would lend a lot of weight to it.

[RazBerryBeret]

3. But Hillary voted against the

cluster bomb ban previously...I'm not so sure she can support it now, w/out looking stupid.

[Danger Mouse]

4. then that's pathetic. hope obama can do better.

[RazBerryBeret]

9. yep, pathetic...

proves my point that in trying to appear "tough on terror" she voted for political gain, not her head or her heart...IMO
interesting blog here

http://mediabloodhound.typepad.com/weblog/2008/02/hillary-vs-obam.html

[gateley]

5. When was that? I think that's what I'm thinking of.

Do you recall when the vote was? Thanks.

[RazBerryBeret]

8. link.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00232

wrong Link!!

correct link here:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00232

[cbayer]

10. You have linked to a bill on foreign trade. nt.

[gateley]

6. And..how did Obama vote on it? Thanks. nt

[RazBerryBeret]

7. Obama = nay

clinton = yay

info here

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00232

[cbayer]

11. Same link. Foreign trade. nt.

[RazBerryBeret]

12. so sorry...

I was trying to find the actual roll call of the vote, so it's not a biased blog.
having trouble finding it it's Senate Amendment No. 4882...
I'll keep looking--but I just ordered a pizza, in case it comes, I'm gone...
hehehe

[cbayer]

13. I think it does need to be posted.

The blog piece on this issue has an incomplete link.

Pizza? Did someone say pizza?

:hide:

[RazBerryBeret]

14. FOUND IT!!

and before the pizza!!

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00232

whew!

[cbayer]

17. Congratulations!

Enjoy your pie!

[gateley]

16. Thanks. nt

[karynnj]

19. You have it backwards - Obama is yea, Clinton is nay

look at your own link

Of the people thinking of running for President at the time (in the Senate) only Kerry and Obama had the courage and integrity to vote for the ban over the desires of AIPAC.

[RazBerryBeret]

20. yes, I did switch it around

you are correct.
sorry!!

yay for Obama and Kerry...
but I don't know why someone would vote that cluster bombs are ok...
like I said I came across photos proving that they CLEARLY are not ok...

[karynnj]

22. And I agree with you - I really can't understand why

anyone would have difficulty defending the vote that Obama made. If you scan the list, many Democratic vets, voted for the ban. They are the ones who I see as knowing the true cost to the soldiers. Consider that if we consider them legal, some soldier somewhere will be given a direct order to drop them.

[Danger Mouse]

25. good on Obama but there's a fight on now that he needs to have a voice in.

[still_one]

24. exaxtly

[RazBerryBeret]

15. yep...there was an amendment for the Ban

in 2006---it was defeated.
30 to 70...that disgusts me....

and while researching this I came across some photos regarding cluster bombs that I never want to see again...
how could you vote against this???

[billyoc]

18. Those things have to go.

[Ravy]

21. Absolutely. nt

[still_one]

23. don't make me laugh, she voted against a bill sponsered by Feinstein banning them

her voting record is what she is all about, WAR, if she thinks it will help her political ambitions...