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brainoverload Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:25 AM
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"flip-flopping"
Edited on Sat Aug-14-04 03:27 AM by brainoverload
In an ABC News report on polling the following results were stated.

"When asked which candidate is more likely to change his mind, 47 percent said Kerry and 28 percent said Bush. In May, 42 percent said Kerry is more likely to change his mind."

The lead up to this quote made it abundantly clear that this was - in the medias opinion - a negative for Kerry.

WTF?? W has so warped the public consciousness that changing one's mind is now a negative quality? It's now a virtue to stick to your original viewpoint no matter what subsequent evidence presents itself? No matter what reasoned argument presents itself that you've never considered?

"I once formed an opinion on that subject and it would be a character flaw for me to ever alter that opinion." Now there's a recipe for "uniter/not divider" if ever I heard one.

on edit - link:

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040814_167.html

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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:57 AM
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1. We need not go into all that W has 'flip-flopped' on...
homeland security department
the 9/11 commission
ALL the justificationS for going into iraq
being a 'uniter not a divider'
being a 'compassionate conservative'
promising to restore 'honour and integrity back to the white house'

the list goes on! (and will continue to do so)

i would love to see the kerry/edwards campaign put out an ad that shows all the things BUSH has flipflopped on, just state the facts, no need for spin, the facts are damning by themselves

i love how bill maher put it in response to the republicans calling kerry a flip flopper, "He's a flip flopper just because between the ages of 18 and 60 he happened to change his mind, I know."
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:09 AM
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2. Why We Went Into Iraq: Version 10.0 (biting and hilarious)
Looking for Bushco lies? Here's the perfect email gift for that freeper who fills your mailbox with Newsmax/Fauxnews bullshit. Especially suited for those who drank the "Kerry is a flip-flopper" Kool-Aid.

I know that the article is a few months old. Like a good wine, it gets better with time.

http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF ...

Why We Went In: Version 10.0

by P.J. Crowley and Robert O. Boorstin

March 19, 2004

In the year since the invasion of Iraq, the Bush administration has repeatedly shifted its justification for going to war and constantly changed its story on intelligence, the United Nations, reconstruction, political transition and the cost to the American taxpayer. More than anything, the administration's war in Iraq resembles a software program that, at first, works brilliantly, but then catches the user in a cycle of "fatal error" messages.
Here then, in Silicon Valley terms, is a review of the Bush administration's year in Iraq:

Saddam Hussein poses an 'imminent threat' to the American people.

* Version 1.0 - Saddam Hussein is an imminent threat
* Version 1.01 - Saddam Hussein is a gathering threat
* Version 1.02 - Saddam Hussein poses a real and dangerous threat
* Version 1.1 - The smoking gun will be a mushroom cloud
* Version 1.2 - We can't afford to wait
* Version 1.3 - We never said imminent
* Version 1.3.1 - OK, maybe we did say it once or twice
* Version 1.4 - We should have been more precise

Saddam Hussein is ready to use weapons of mass destruction.

* Version 2.1 - Saddam has weapons of mass destruction
* Version 2.2 - Saddam has nuclear weapons
* Version 2.3 - Saddam has biological agents he's never accounted for
* Version 2.3.1 - The trailers are mobile labs for producing chemical weapons
* Version 2.3.2 - Unmanned aircraft are ready to spread Saddam's biological weapons
* Version 2.4 - Saddam's going to make more of all these weapons
* Version 2.5 - We all know where the weapons are
* Version 2.5.1 - Well, Saddam has used weapons of mass destruction
* Version 2.5.2 - Iraq is a big country. We'll find the weapons eventually.
* Version 2.5.3 - Saddam had weapons of mass destruction programs
* Version 2.5.4 - Saddam had "weapons of mass destruction program related activities"
* Version 2.5.5 - David Kay? Who's David Kay?
* Version 2.6 - It's not about misleading the American people - Saddam Hussein is gone and that's the most important thing

more, all the way to Version 10.0 ...

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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:12 AM
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3. THAT IS GREAT!!!
masterpiece, that is getting forwarded to my entire address book.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:15 AM
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5. especially effective on freeper geeks
sounds like a misnomer, doesn't it?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:59 AM
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7. That would be a great commercial
backed up with the music of "slip-sliding away"..."flip-flopping awaaaaaay".

Yeah!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 07:37 AM
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11. or...
To the tune of “Paperback Writer” (and with apologies to the Beatles)

FLIP-FLOPPING LIAR

I HEARD THE RIGHT WING AND THEIR LATEST SPIN
SAYING KERRY WAFFLES AND THAT’S SUCH A SIN
IT’S BASED ON THE FAXES FROM A MAN NAMED ROVE
BUT TO KEEP HIS JOB, BUSH HAS GOT TO BE A FLIP-FLOPPING LIAR
FLIP-FLOPPING LIAR

EV’RY PHONY PROMISE, EV’RY PHONY CLAIM
THEY WRAP IN A FLAG AND A PHONY NAME
SO HE GIVES SPEECHES TO THE BUSSED-IN CROWDS
IT’S NO EASY JOB, BECAUSE BUSH IS SUCH A FLIP-FLOPPING LIAR
FLIP-FLOPPING LIAR
FLIP-FLOPPING LIAR

WHILE THEIR TAX CUT SCAM RAISED THE DEFICIT
THEY’RE ALL SO RICH, THEY DON’T GIVE A SHIT
AND THEY’RE MAKING PROFITS OFF THEIR DIRTY WAR
SO BE A PATRIOT, AND JUST CALL BUSH A FLIP-FLOPPING LIAR
FLIP-FLOPPING LIAR

IF YOU DARE CROSS THEM, THEY’LL EXPOSE YOUR WIFE
IF THEY CLAIM THEY’RE HELPING JUST EXPECT MORE STRIFE
WHILE YOU COUNT THE CHILDREN WHO GET LEFT BEHIND
PASS THE KOOL-AID UP AND REMEMBER HE’S A FLIP-FLOPPING LIAR
FLIP-FLOPPING LIAR
FLIP-FLOPPING LIAR
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LondonAmerican Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 07:57 AM
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12. Would be MUCH better
if Kerry had not said he would have attacked Iraq as well. :shrug:
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:14 AM
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4. I once thought the world was flat,but new info has made me reconsider.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:27 AM
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6. By your own admission, you've failed the Repug Party entrance exam
Sorry.
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brainoverload Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:59 AM
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8. thanks
While I appreciate the other comments from people pointing out W's flip-flops, it's also nice to see a couple of people saw the point of my post.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 06:56 AM
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9. Only stupid people don't change their minds.
IIRC, that's from B. Boutrous-Ghali.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 07:09 AM
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10. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..."
"...adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines."

- Ralph Waldo Emerson
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