Even if Barack loses

[youknowmenotdlc]

We will have purged our party of the DLC corporate machine, his candidacy will mean larger Democratic majorities in both Houses and via his experience, grassroots support, political organization and 4 more years of BushCain he will be the frontrunner in 2012 at the tender young age of 50.

Hillary fights now not to win the presidency, not to even get on the ticket, she fights on to keep the Clintons and their corporate benefactors relevant, to do this she has invoked sexism and racism in a most tawdry display possible, one will no doubt fracture our party.

But thats o.k., real change is sometimes painful and even those Dems who sit out or vote for MCain out of racism or spite won't feel better because after the small satisfaction of besting Obama passes they will, along with the rest of us, be left with John MCCain as our Pressident.

Which means:

THe BUsh Administration will never get investigated for their crimes.
Bush's signing statements and decrees will persist.
SCOTUS will have one or even two more conservatives on the bench, Roe will be overturned.
The war will go on, and probably expand into Iran.

There is more, and we will suffer but in the end we will have the party, and nation we desrve.

[Taxmyth]

1. and to think

Had Senator Obama settled for a lesser role in this election cycle, none of this would have come to pass. Cest la vie.

[ClassWarrior]

2. How uppity of him.

NGU.

[Patsy Stone]

8. And selfish...

Everyone knew it was Hillary's turn.

:hi:

[Arugula Latte]

15. She was supposed to get the nomination handed to her with a big shiny bow on top of it.

But now she's a VICTIM!!!! :cry:

[Taxmyth]

25. We're all victims

What could have been a slam dunk in November will now be a hotly contested race with scores of thousands of votes lost for lower ticket candidates. Our chance for a mandate is now in jeopardy.

[Taxmyth]

22. Your words not mine

I'd use the word ambitious.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. "We will have purged our party of the DLC corporate machine,"

Austan Goolsbee has been Barack Obama's economic advisor since Obama's successful U.S. Senate campaign in Illinois.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austan_Goolsbee


Austan Goolsbee is Senior Economist to the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) and the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI). In addition to his responsibilities with the DLC/PPI, Dr. Goolsbee is the Robert P. Gwinn Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago and is recognized as one of the top young stars in the field of economics. He has contributed to numerous academic, financial, and governmental institutions, including the Department of Justice, Antitrust Division, the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, and the National Bureau of Economic Research. He is currently a columnist for The New York Times, writing its "Economic Scene" column, and was the Lead Editor for the Journal of Law and Economics from 2001 to 2004. In 1991, Goolsbee served on former Senator David Boren's (D-Okla.) Economics Staff.



http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254329&kaid=86&subid=191


The more things change the more they remain the same. (Or) Meet the old boss, the same as the new boss.

[QC]

18. Shhhhhhhh! You are not supposed to talk about that! n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. You Mean The Elephant In The Living Room

~

[QC]

30. Yes. Please do not comment on that big elephant now crushing the sofa.

It might deprive people of their hope.

[VotesForWomen]

29. there's one born every minute, isn't there?

[depakid]

4. And Obama's record shows that he's not a quasi DLC type how?

[PassingFair]

5. They have had all the power in D.C.....

It would have been IMPOSSIBLE to not have
advisers that were DLC...

I'll take QUASI over
DYED-IN-THE-WOOL

...ANY DAY!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. See Post #3

~

[mrreowwr_kittty]

20. 1.5 million donors. Average contribution $90. That's how.

The corporatists are shitting their britches.

[depakid]

27. That's about the shallowest response I've seen in a long while

Perceptions are IRRELEVANT to the issue.

Aside from the fact that Obama's taken TONS of corporate money, his short senate record in support of corporate agendas is evident to anyone who bothers to look.

Starting with his vote for a corporate-written "reform" of class-action lawsuits, designed to shield abusive entities from accountability in civil courts.

No, the corporatists aren't "shitting their britches." They're sitting in their boardrooms and mansions laughing at you....

[QC]

31. Yes, and Goldman Sachs is so terrified of Obama that they because his largest contributor. n/t

[mrreowwr_kittty]

32. Uh, nice try, but Goldman Sachs can't contribute to a candidate

I'm assuming you mean employees of Goldman Sachs, who have just as much right to contribute to a candidate as you do. Please educate yourself as to how elections work.

[QC]

33. You've never heard of bundling???

Perhaps you should educate yourself on how campaigns are financed.

[roguevalley]

37. jeez, losing becomes you.

[QC]

38. You're not even trying anymore.

Not that you were ever a world-class wit or anything, but this is feeble.

[grassfed]

6. recd

[barack the house]

7. Very true. Win, lose or draw. The DLC are done we must work for an override congress.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Then Why Does Obama Have A DLC Hack As His Chief Economic Advisor?

Austan Goolsbee is Senior Economist to the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) and the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI). In addition to his responsibilities with the DLC/PPI, Dr. Goolsbee is the Robert P. Gwinn Professor of Economics at the University of Chicago and is recognized as one of the top young stars in the field of economics. He has contributed to numerous academic, financial, and governmental institutions, including the Department of Justice, Antitrust Division, the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, and the National Bureau of Economic Research. He is currently a columnist for The New York Times, writing its "Economic Scene" column, and was the Lead Editor for the Journal of Law and Economics from 2001 to 2004. In 1991, Goolsbee served on former Senator David Boren's (D-Okla.) Economics Staff.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=254329&kaid=86&subid=191

[sunonmars]

9. shit are you lot delusional and living in lala land.

[OzarkDem]

11. Obama is as much DLC as anyone

He's owned by the corporations, has been since the beginning of his career.

[movonne]

13. How do you know this....we all know that hillary and bill are owned

by the corporations..I guess we will have to wait and see about Obama...I hope that he turns out to be one of the best presidents we have ever had...and after all hope is his word...please try and be a little open to this scenario...

[eridani]

21. Both are owned by corporations. I'll go with the one who is getting more people involved.

More involvement is the only thing that will change corporate domination.

[BlooInBloo]

12. which he won't

Thank you very much.

[MGKrebs]

14. Even if Obama really was less-DLC, what in the wide world of sports makes you

think that the DLC wouldn't use his loss as an example of why it is important to have a DLC candidate? Pretty strong argument too.

It is just as much of a concern that if he wins but then disappoints his supporters by having to play "politics as usual" that they then become cynical and abandon the Dem party or maybe even politics altogether.
He's just a man.
He has to work within the system.
Corporation do exist and they are important to this country.
We're not going to turn socialist in the next 4 years.

Many of the things I've seen Obama supporters seem to assume come automatically with an Obama Presidency are probably unrealistic. I hope Obama supporters can be flexible in their perception of what a "successful" Obama administration would look like.
He might not get NAFTA repealed right away.
He might not be able to get lobbyists outlawed.
He might not be able to have Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft/Rumsfeld arrested.
He might not even be able to get Republican legislators to go along with him on whatever he does end up pushing through.
I'm not even sure he would be able to get all the troops out of Iraq in 16 months.

Let's get rid of Bushco, make nice with our neighbors, make some progress on global warming, develop an alternative energy infrastructure, get the budget under control, and start fixing the health care situation. Wouldn't that be enough?

[stillcool]

16. the problem I see with all supporters..

is somehow thinking our voices will be heard if we don't speak up. The only hope I see, is that a President Obama will attempt to provide an avenue by which those voices will be heard..if there is anything to hear.

[MGKrebs]

34. Investing that much hope into one person is exactly the problem I see.

It's like "all in" in poker. If you lose, you're done.

Presidents will become more progressive when state legislatures and federal legislators and governors are more progressive. Hope is good, but Obama can't do it all by himself.

[stillcool]

35. I suppose if it is hopeless..

it is indeed too much hope. I don't really see how 'we the people' can manage to muster up enough 'unity' to have our voices heard, regardless of what avenue is open to us.

[JVS]

19. We've won a great victory!

[Doityourself]

24. Amen. I'd take an Obama loss just puke up the DLC!

[windoe]

26. Obama is walking a fine line

he cannot be any more anti corporate than he is, nor openly pro impeachment unless he wants to go the way of Edwards or Kucinich. He will be given a nation practically in shambles and will spend much of his time on damage control. What a mess we are in.

[VotesForWomen]

28. another O dreamer who thinks Obama's 'different.' well, we all live and learn. nt

[Yotun]

36. Do you think if Obama loses any of his grassroots supporters will bother with the Democratic party?

A party that's proven how it treats principled people vs people who only care about their own ambition?