Question for Obama Supporters: Are voters in Puerto Rico racist too?

[Dave From Canada]

I've been reading and listening to MSM pundits, as well as individuals in this forum. And as recently as last night on SNL. Apparently, Hillary's voters are racist, and will not vote for Obama because he's African-American. Apparently, that's why he lost in Pennsylvania, Ohio, West Virginia, and Kentucky etc.

Well, are voters in Puerto Rico racist too? Or does that meme just apply to Hillary's white voters? Please inform me. Thanks. :eyes:

[anonymous171]

1. Hard Working, white

[peoli]

2. hows canada?

[bunnies]

3. Latinos have a history of not voting for AA's, Dave.

Dont follow the news much, eh?

[BlooInBloo]

8. Sure - and Obama received more votes from Chicago hispanic folks than black folks....

The issue is overblown, to say the least.

[bunnies]

11. In Chicago. Chicago IL. nt

[dsc]

14. Mayor Thom Bradley, Mayor David Dinkins, Mayor Harold Washington, Mayor Michael White

all won in cities with moderate to heavy presense of Hispanic votes and couldn't have won without winning them big. Oh and don't forget Mayor Willie Brown.

[BlooInBloo]

4. I already congratulated her on winning without a race-baiting campaign...

I'm not sure what more you want.

[rodeodance]

28. it was BHO surrogates who race baited while Obama stood by and let it happen

[Bread and Circus]

Do you like to stir up trouble or are you just a fool?

[Deja Q]

9. Is that two questions?

(And would I say "yes" to both?)

[Adelante]

5. Some voters in PR are racist

Just like anyplace else :shrug:

[panader0]

6. What percent of Canada is black?

[Deja Q]

7. Anyone can be a racist. There are racists who happen to not be white.

Just like I once knew a black homophobe who was also a Democrat, a native American sexist, and Al Quaeda doesn't give a shit about anyone because they just want to blow us all sky high. And not with cocaine either.

The world is made of all types, even if you've not met them yet. The difference is, I was good friends with that Democrat for a while...

:shrug:

[AllentownJake]

10. Just like Canada, Puerto Rico can't vote in our election

[Bill McBlueState]

23. that won't stop HRC

She's probably trying to organize a non-binding primary in New Brunswick to inflate her mythical popular vote count.

[stray cat]

12. We all know that hard working white Americans supposedly vote for Hillary - right?

Unlike anyone who votes for Obama who is either black or a lazy white person also according to the Clinton campaign.

[Thrill]

13. YAWN. The exit Polls show they don't know Obama. Thanks for playing

[vaberella]

15. actually....

If the Obama camp said that, it's in responsoe to the voters we've seen who've said racist things and they ALL seem to be coming from teh Clinton camp.

The Hispanics have always been devoted to Clinton and so were the Black voters. People can shout from the rooftops that Black vote Black. But Clinton for all intents and purposes got the "Black Badge". When he moved to Harlem, the Blacks in teh are were going to make it Clinton Day. That's how much the Clinton camp pwned Black votes.


If that's the case, no one can call the ENTIRE Clinton Camp racist, but there are racist ones in there and that's no doubt. Youtube gives you a huge breath and no one is asking Hillary to apologize to us over their comments. Look at the bloody DNC meeting yesterday, Clinton's staunchest supporter and the person who had several standing ovations is a Black woman, Ms. Joyner.

In the case of Peurto Rico there's no race thing involved and most people can see that if they fact checked. Obama I believed campaigned for one day (although it was predicted that Hillary would win massively). While Hillary campaigned one week and spent quite a bit of her already stretched funds. So, the PR voters are voters who choose the person they KNEW.

I think now that much like the Sexism thing and using the race card (by HIllary's supporters...Ferraro and her grassroot supporters) and this sitaution is angst coming from the Clinton camp; and has nothing to do with Obama. To the few this affects (this is nto them all) it is their problem since the Obama camp really isn't playnig those silly season politics.

[lapfog_1]

16. Actually, yes, Puerto Rico is very racist.

I lived there for a year. And the darker the skin color of the Puerto Rican you meet, the MORE racist they are against continental African American.

Very strange. But true.

[vaberella]

31. It's not racism but a by-product of racism....

called colourism. This is found in the Black community, Asian community, and Hispanic community. Basically any community that has faced some sort of racism from a powerful Western sect have it in their culture. The idea is, "the closer to white, the better you are".

This and the issue of racism from minorities in America is not necessarily racism as people assume. It's called ....

INTERNALIZED OPPRESSION. Do some reading on it...it's very enlightening. I believe every Black person if they don't "pass" has experienced some form of racism more than once in their lifetime. Every single one. <---Ditto for many other minority races in the US.

Hence, I love Obama... He's giving the opportunity to represent a merging of this contemptuous aspect of our society. Soemthing that we wouldn't be, if it wasn't around. He'd break so much ground that it's ridiculous.

[lapfog_1]

40. What I witnessed was the worst kind of racism

practiced by Hispanic Africans (descendants of sugar plantation slaves) AGAINST African Americans from the states.

not based on the color of their skin... but on the color of their skin AND their place of origin.

My take was that this was due to the fact that African Americans have reached a level of equality (especially economic equality, hence the ability to travel as tourists to Puerto Rico) not enjoyed by islanders. At least for the African Americans that the islanders encountered. i.e. it's OK to kowtow to the whites from the states, that's just the way things are and have been for hundreds of years... but having people who are ALSO of African descent show up and act like the whites (at least as far as having money and doing tourist things) was NOT ok.

And the level of hatred expressed to the "continentals" (as African Americans from the states were called) was simply unbelievable. I would have though I was in the deep south in the 1950s or early 1960s or worse.

[iamjoy]

17. Her Husband's Coattails

Bill Clinton is very popular in Puerto Rico, and I think that helped her. Unlike in some states Clinton won, I think Puerto Ricans were truly voting for her and not just against Obama. We say it about some of these Appalachian voters because it is true - some of them are ignorant and racist. How else do you explain voters they showed on t.v. saying they couldn't vote for Obama because he's Muslim (which isn't even true) or that they just couldn't bring themselves to vote for a black man?

[Kittycat]

18. If you believe exit polls... Of the 31% that felt race was important voted 67% for HRC

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

Draw your own conclusion - I'm just providing the Math.

But while drawing your conclusion keep 2 things in mind...

1) PR doesn't vote in the GE
2) Many Issues tied to PR have little to do with issues statewide
3) Her pandering was off the charts while there, but not surprising (dead end 'gas tax' that we hear nothing more about).

[Elspeth]

24. Wow, that's more than West Virginia.

Interesting how that works, isn't it?

[Kittycat]

36. And like WV, I consider it a regional phenomenon, not universal

[HockeyMom]

19. A lot have relatives in NY

They visit back and forth. At least that is what I saw growing up in NY.

[vaberella]

38. yes but that doesn't mean they agree with their family

I live in Manhattan and I live in Harlem...Hillary may have a lot of respresentation here but I can tell you that before and after the Primaries New York was voting Obama.

Do you know how many Obama voters were disenfranchized in New YOrk? I work for the Board of Elect and yet I wasn't allowed to vote but had to fill a ballot and was told my ballot wasn't accepted because I never registered and then 2 days later recieved a letter I was registered yet my vote for Obama was not counted.


In any event, the minority or predominantly minority locations were basically disenfranchized in New York. And there was a lot of Obama supporters here. Shoot, Grays Papaya is supporting Obama.

[HockeyMom]

41. I just saw an article on this

That some precints in Harlem, among other places, had ZERO votes for Obama. Come on now. I don't know if that was ever resolved.

Yes, my daughter had trouble voting (Queens) also. They told her she could only cast a provisional ballot. She did, but her vote didn't count (Obama).

There was no way the "powers" that be were going to let NY be a close race.

[Warren DeMontague]

20. Nope. Most Hillary supporters are good DEMOCRATS, and will support our nominee, Barack Obama.

There are a few crazies, but not nearly as many as they would have you believe.

[MikeE]

21. Actually, and this has nothing to do with the results

Yes, there are a lot of racist Puerto Ricans, if you call it that. It's mostly older generations and it is usually seen in the community itself. It goes back to the Spanish and European colonization and how much Spanish versus the native blood a person has. The lighter your skin and the more english you speak, the more you are favored. In fact, if you are dark complected the term I've heard is fey, which is spanish for ugly. It's getting better, but is still a sad legacy of colonization.

[Hansel]

22. No, they are familiar with and love the Clintons.

Not everything is about race.

But I don't believe that the landslides in West Virgina and Kentucky were totally about race either. I think that things were better for blue collar families when the Clintons were in office and they are hoping for that to come back. Some, we know for a fact, based their votes on racism because there were plenty of media reports quoting them. But I don't think the lions share was about that.

[Renaissance Man]

25. Well, these exit polls...

"CNN exit polls in Puerto Rico found a surprisingly high 31 percent of voters admitted the race of the candidates was important in their decision. Of those, 63 percent voted for Clinton and 37 percent for Obama."

Yes, some of her supporters are racists, and they aren't just in Appalachia (or as we saw yesterday, in Manhattan).

[BigDDem]

26. Havent you heard?

Not for Obama = racist.

[NotThisTime]

27. 78% who responded to the questioning had family in NEW YORK

and looked back at Bill's administration kindly... they felt they didn't know Obama well enough. There's your answer....

[grantcart]

29. As someone who has lived most of my adult life around the world how about this

You stay the fuck out of our elections and Ill stay the fuck out of yours?

Despite living in other countries for extended periods of time I never understood the condescension that some had to make partonizing uninformed comments about other peoples political decisions.

Puerto Rico politics are a byzantine world of its own and your superficially idiotic statement only reflects that.

Americans have no idea why Puerto Ricans vote the way that they do - the Democratic Party does not even exist there so it is not only an 'open' primary it isn't even a democratic Party primary.

Maybe the fact taht you are so well informed about the intricate aspects of Puerto Rico politics you can explain to me how the pardoning of Puerto Rican revolutionaries impacted the election today given the fact that former President Bill Clinton's popularity in Puerto Rico is twice that of what it is in the United States.

[Dawgs]

30. No, just dumb.

:)

[DesEtoiles]

32. they don't vote in the GE, so do not meet your requirement of "voters"

[Connie_Corleone]

33. Who has claimed Puerto Ricans are racist?

The people I heard and read on the blogs said it was name recognition and they didn't know that much about Obama.

What happened in Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Kentucky is different from Puerto Rico.

[ampad]

34. No no no see you got it all wrong

Hillary told her PR voters she did not want their vote if they were voting for her based on race. Now why she didn't tell her hard working, white voters that is beyond me. Seems to me that Hillary thinks the PR voters are racist. Get it straight before you come at us like that. I mean really, you should know what your candidate is out there saying cause I'm sure you never miss a word that comes out of Obama's mouth.

[my3boyz]

35. Yup! They hate black people. nt

[moobu2]

37. Obviously, Obama hasn’t issued his orders yet…they don’t know what to think.

[remember2000forever]

39. Puerto Rico is VERY New York! Understand That!