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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:15 PM
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Anybody else seen this email about Kerry?
Help me to debunk this:
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On 18 Feb, 1966 John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for
6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainbridge, Maryland.

Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have the records been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive.

On 16 February 1978! Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was active as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while
our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

1. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.

2. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.

3. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and
condemned the military and the USA.

4. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code
while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the United States Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of
warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall
be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President .. having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120

"The only service where all investigators are US Navy SEALs"
http://www.authentiseal.org

This is incredibly important for many reasons. First it shows Kerry's complete disregard for his oath and honor. It further shows that he violated and broke the law.
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I got this from my Fundie Freeper brother
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:18 PM
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1. Unbelievable.
Just write back and ask to see the notes on Bush's service in Vietnam.

These hateful liars have been show to just invent crap to smear Kerry with. It's really not worth trying to debunk, though you can check on Snopes (http://www.snopes.com).
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:18 PM
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2. Why bother to debunk it ...If your brother believes this crap, nothing
you say going to change his mind.
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Kierkegaard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:19 PM
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3. Don't bother...
This is so insane, it makes me feel dumber just for having read it.
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:26 PM
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4. bullcrap on a cowpile hidden in horseshit....
the bushleague will do anything to disgrace Kerry, anything.
bush was fighting off delerium tremens while Kerry was in Nam, it's as simple as that.

Do Not Play Along... don't get stressed out in trying to prove/disprove.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:28 PM
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5. http://www.johnkerry.com
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:31 PM
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6. Where are the links and the documents supporting these claims?
Edited on Sat Aug-14-04 10:33 PM by tandot
Anyone can make up shit, especially Bush supporters. Lying is one of their favorite past times. Hey, prove it...give me links...show me documents...what are your arguments based on? Are you telling me that the Navy makes up shit?

You are dishonoring every single soldier who was willing to fight and give his life for his country. If Kerry didn't deserve his medals, we have to question other soldiers' medals. These people are a disgrace and shouldn't call themselves Americans.

Why should I put in effort to refute lies? Where is their evidence? If they can't show me anything to support their claims, why should I waste my time to respond?

I am sorry that you have a brother like this. He apparently doesn't do his own research and believes anything some right-wing hack tells him. He is born to be a brainless follower.

Kerry was willing to fight and die for his country! Were Bush and Cheney?

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:35 PM
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7. ok what a crock
when you are in the IRR you are not "serving" in the Navy unless you get re-activated

re: Kerry's protests, they are covered in the big daddy of them all

Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Preamble
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:37 PM
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8. agree, i feel stupid for reading it
but then, we need to know how they are using stupid crap like this to smear Kerry or you can't defend when cornered by these smear spams.

They are lying continuously because they can't rebutt a national documentary telling the truth about the real lies, F-9-11.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:38 PM
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9. It's amazing the contortions these people will put themselves into
in order to protect the Boy King. I hope they give the same scrutiny, and assumptions, to the whereabouts of one George W. Bush, our CIC (Clown in Command.

They dishonor the military service of each and every veteran.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:45 PM
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11. You'll find Kerry's service record
on his site. A previous post gave the address.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 10:44 PM
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10. I'll tell you what
If I got something like this from my brother, I'd just tell him he was too stupid to have a conversation with. Mom must have dropped him on his head one two many times. We'll have to ask her about that. Gads, they're supporting draft dodgers and smearing war veterans. I swear I never thought I'd see the day.

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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 11:07 PM
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12. Here is what I sent back
After using the "this is so insane I feel dumber for reading it" (thanks!) I wrote:
Here are John Kerry's Military records.
Please send me a copy of Bush and Cheney's Vietnam Records for comparison. Thank you.
And then I sent all of Kerry's records.

But WTF?
This shit is being sent to thousands of email recipients!
If you get it, please send Kerry's records.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 11:34 PM
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13. The quick debunk
This article doesn't exist on the 'authentiseal' website.

Nash really runs the authentiseal.org site, yet this letter doesn't exist on it. You'd figure a piece so concerned with the prospect of a Kerry presidency would APPEAR ON THE WEBSITE THE SUPPOSED WRITER RUNS. I'd invite him to call Nash--the number is valid for a Fairfield, CA 'Nash'--and ask him directly.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 12:18 AM
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14. I did a search on that website, too...
and found NOTHING!
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