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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 05:45 AM
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4,000 scientists challenge Bush
48 Nobel winners also sign paper citing misuse or stifling of advice.

By Matt Crenson
AP National Writer

Last November, President Bush gave physicist Richard Garwin a medal for his "valuable scientific advice on important questions of national security." Just three months later, Garwin signed a statement condemning the Bush administration for allegedly misusing, suppressing and distorting scientific advice.
So far more than 4,000 scientists, including 48 Nobel prize winners, have put their names to the declaration.

. . . this is the first time that a broad spectrum of the scientific community has expressed opposition to a president's overall science policy.

Scientists' feud with the Bush administration, building for almost four years, has intensified this election year. The White House has sacked prominent scientists from presidential advisory committees, science advocacy groups have released lengthy catalogues of alleged scientific abuses by the administration and both sides have traded accusations at meetings and in the pages of research journals.

"People are shocked by what's going on," said Kurt Gottfried, a Cornell University physicist and chairman of the Union of Concerned Scientists, which has been in the vanguard of the campaign against the administration's science policy. Although generally not political, the group which advocates for use of accurate scientific information in policy making has occasionally taken liberal positions, such as opposition to nuclear weapons.

http://www.presstelegram.com/Stories/0,1413,204~21474~2335219,00.html
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 05:47 AM
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1. ....
All I can do here is throw my hands up in the air.

It's fucking fascism.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 06:04 AM
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2. Well SNAP OUT OF IT!!!! We should be waaay past the shocked phase
Edited on Sun Aug-15-04 06:05 AM by Dover
and well into some damned serious and well organized force to remove them from power before it is too late!
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 06:35 AM
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3. Jebuz................
there is no science, only Jebuz. Why can't these silly scientists get that through their thick, Poindexter heads? All is well when you trust in Jebuz. End of messsage.
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 07:22 AM
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4. If you were he, which would you prefer?
4,000 highly educated, thinking, rational beings, trained, knowledgable and informed?

or

4,000 baptist preachers, creating strife, brain-washing their subjects, ordering their sheep around like little robots?

sadly, the answer is obvious.

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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 07:28 AM
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5. I hope these 4000 vote.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 07:55 AM
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6. Why is the story of Bush's science policies not in the press...
more often? I'm dreaming here, but the press should take responsibility for bringing this important issue to citizens, and voters. Even on TV, the story and its significance could, and should, be made understandable to the public.
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truhavoc Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 08:55 AM
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7. It would be in the press if Kerry put it in a campaign ad! n/t
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 09:33 AM
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8. Yeah, the Fifties issue of Sputnik was important politically --
and Kennedy aimed for the moon -- not only for strategic purposes, but because Americans didn't want to be behind in knowledge and science. We've probably gotten so dumbed down since then that many Americans don't care, but that's what leaders are for: to raise people up, and speak to the best in them. I think this issue, and that of the environment, would resonate with voters if they were educated about them by press and politicians.
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 01:00 PM
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9. I'm sure these 4000 scientists will get as much press as the Swift Liars
:(
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