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BayouBengal07 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:06 PM
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Republicans weary of Bush
Edited on Sun Aug-15-04 03:08 PM by BayouBengal07
The uneasy Republicans

By Hugh Sykes
BBC, United States


The US presidential candidates have been arguing about it. The American media talk constantly about it. And the opinion polls have been asking voters about it.


But just how much will the war in Iraq affect the November elections? Hugh Sykes found evidence that, with mounting US casualties, the answer could be "quite a lot".

Bill Clinton reputedly had a note by his desk during his first presidential election campaign that simply said: "It's the economy, stupid!"

President Bush should have one that reads: "It's Iraq, stupid!"


Almost everyone I've spoken to here in over two weeks mentions Iraq as the number one election issue, and the most frequent question I've heard is: What has Iraq to do with the 11 September 2001 attacks?

There is widespread - and, I sense, slowly growing - mystification about the Iraq war of George Bush and Tony Blair.

A cartoon in the Fayetteville Observer in North Carolina shows a car carrying the Bush Re-Election Bandwagon, complete with trombones and tuba blaring out of the rear windows.

Mounting costs

But the car is held up at a railroad crossing - the train passing by is carrying a military tank marked "Iraq".

People are asking more and more: was it worth it? The question is about economics and about the human cost.

The war and its aftermath is costing billions of dollars to a nation with huge trade and budget deficits.

And it's costing lives.

The American death toll is clocking steadily up towards 1,000 and the number of seriously injured is about 7,000 - a figure scarcely reported here.

That cartoon appearing in a newspaper in Fayetteville is significant. Fayetteville is the small, heartland American town alongside Fort Bragg, the largest military base on this continent.

It has the usual strip of shopping malls, fast-food restaurants and petrol stations. But there is a "historic" district - small homes and shops in tree-lined streets.

Among them there's an independent cinema called the Cameo. It's run by Chris and Nazim Kuenzel.

Nazim is an Iranian-American who came here when she was 12 years old.

Standing ovations

They braved some expected local wrath recently and put on Michael Moore's anti-Bush, anti-Iraq war polemic, Fahrenheit 9/11.

There was hardly any wrath. The film was so popular, they had to put on extra shows every night at midnight.


All the shows were sold out and, at 14 out of 15 performances during the first week, there were standing ovations at the end, from audiences that were 80% soldiers and their partners.

(Chris and Nazim knew that because they give military discounts to customers with army ID cards.)

One army wife, Jessie Bigby, summed up her unease when she told me:

"There was an attack on America on 9/11. We knew who did it. We went after him.

"But then we lost our focus and went after Saddam Hussein who had nothing to do with it. And they tried to tell us that he did.

"And we know that he didn't. So now we can't trust the president any more."

Jessie's husband Mike has already spent a year in Iraq. Now he's going back there, for 18 months.

She told me she has "a bad feeling about it".

Casualties

Further north in Pennsylvania - a so-called swing state, where candidates are desperate to woo undecided voters - there's a deeply conservative institution: the First Troop Philadelphia City Cavalry.

Bill Buchanan, a leading member and card-carrying Republican, sighed when he told me George W Bush would not be getting his vote this time.

The reason? Iraq.

Bill said: "To risk nearly 1,000 American lives and so many casualties, there has to be a pressing reason. There was not."

He went on: "When I joined the military, I was taught to shoot back at the guy shooting at me.

"His name was Osama Bin Laden. We've stopped shooting at him and started shooting at someone who was not shooting at us. It doesn't make sense."

Bill runs a bed-and-breakfast house in Philadelphia. One of his other guests, William Coleman, came down one morning and sat at the communal dining table wearing a Manchester United shirt.

He'd made a two-hour plane journey from New Orleans to see his beloved English soccer team play a summer friendly against Celtic.

He's one of those fans far away - an American who developed a passion for a team just from watching them on television.

Veteran's view

William fought in the Vietnam War and he is another Republican who says there is no way he'll vote for George Bush this time.

He told me that, when he was brought up in the 1950s, he was always taught that Germany had been utterly wrong to start a pre-emptive war.

But now America has done exactly that, and has alienated most of its allies as a result.

William Coleman is a thoughtful, kind-faced man who speaks slowly and carefully, and he believes he speaks for many when he says:

"As commander-in-chief, the president has a responsibility not to use the military in an irresponsible manner.

"I think that in this case, in Iraq, George W Bush has subjected the military to unnecessary danger."

William Coleman, like several of the uneasy Republicans I met, told me he will grit his teeth and vote for that other Vietnam War veteran, John Kerry.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:13 PM
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1. Hopefully, Sanity and Reason prevails over Delusion that is BushCo and his
Pals/agenda.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:15 PM
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2. Link, please?
Thanks!
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:18 PM
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3. So, are these anecdotes truly representing . . .
. . . the mood of America? If so, then why are the polls showing things so much closer? I don't get it.
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zuzu98 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:20 PM
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4. I watch BBC News all the time
It's so much better than the filtered crap we get from the networks & cable news programs.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:21 PM
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5. THis is promising.
That they have decided that Bush is wrong for America.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:23 PM
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6. Real good article...link please!!!
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 03:34 PM
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7. I've been hearing from disillusioned Republicans
for months now. I really think that Iraq, the Medicare drug bill, the treatment of veterans, and the massive deficit has peeled away a lot of Republicans-and I mean Republicans who vote and who are willing to get out and talk to others.

Have you seen the MoveOn ads of disillusioned Republicans? This shows that there is a growing trend of Republicans who will vote Kerry in November.
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BayouBengal07 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 05:31 PM
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8. Aww crap
Sorry guys, I can't find the link anymore, but it WAS on the BBC news website at news.bbc.co.uk. Maybe someone can find it there.
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