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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 06:43 PM
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Does Kerry want to win in Missouri?
It sure doesn't look like he wants to...

The Bush campaign has been airing an ad per half hour from 5-7PM on the local St Louis TV stations. I have not seen a Kerry ad in the last week or so.

WHERE ARE THE KERRY ADS? Surely they know that MOST people get their info via the ads shown on TV.

Kerry is allowing Bush and his minions to define who he is just as Dukakis did in 1988. It wasn't a winning strategy then and it definitely wont work now. The right-wing base if far more energized about THEIR candidate than the so called Democratic base is about ours.

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redandstinky Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 06:48 PM
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1. Labor is going to have to work hard
in Missouri if Bush is going to lose. But I think it can be done.

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/articleview/237/1/35/
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 06:53 PM
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4. As long as "labor" is defined only as those who
belong to unions, those workers who do not belong to unions will continue to feel alienated by the Democrats. Since most workers do not belong to a union many are of the belief that the Dems care only about the prototypical union member (factory worker not the office worker). The Dems and "organized" labor need to reach out to the majority of workers who do not find themselves represented by a union.

Non union workers are "labor" too!
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codegreen Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 06:50 PM
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2. Kerry now has limited money; after Bush's convention they'll be even
so then he'll be putting up ads again.

this is all Terry McAulif's fault, it was beyond stupid to have a 6 week gap between conventions.

but other than that, i agree that the Kerry campaign is not doing as well as it should, and could go the way of Dukakis.

Hopefully he'll be here again soon, do a few stops with Nancy Farmer and Claire McKaskill, air ads again eventually, slamming Bush... damn this is frustrating though.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:01 PM
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5. They're five weeks apart
That's typical. When you're the challenger, your convention always comes first.
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:32 PM
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9. Agreed
Take it easy, keep your powder dry. Kerry's doing just fine.

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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 06:51 PM
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3. Kerry isn't running ANY ads right now
The only Democratic ads you'll see are the soft money ads right now. Once Schrubyah is officially nominated, then Kerry can start spending money again. The fact that you're seeing Bush ads all over your TV right now is a sure sign that he's in deep sh*t.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 09:17 PM
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17. actually
I saw a Kerry ad yesterday and today. And I live in New York.

Why I saw these ads, I don't know. But I saw them.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:22 PM
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6. Kerry doesn't need to worry about St. Louis
St. Louis is solid Democrat. It's places like Springfield and Jefferson City and Joplin and Cape Girardeau where he should be running ads. I do see them here once in a while (Jeff City).
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MissouriTeacher Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:29 PM
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8. I thought Jeff City usually went Dem?
Or am I confusing it with Columbia?
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:26 AM
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19. Slight majority Repub in Jeff City
I think you're thinking of Columbia, yes--an island in the sea, as it were.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:53 PM
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11. St Louis TV stations reach a large portion of Missouri
including many rural areas, who against their class interests, supported Bush.

So, failing to run ads on St Louis TV stations is the same as failing to run ads in Missouri.

St Louis CITY may be solidly Dem but NOT St Louis COUNTY, or St Charles County, which is where the MAJORITY of people in the St Louis area live. St Louis City has an ever declining population of a little over 300 thousand. The St Louis metropolitan area (which includes seven counties, I think) has a population of approx 2 million. I say it's far more important that Kerry reach out to those in the counties surrounding the city of St Louis, particularly St Louis county.

A well timed (after work) rally in Clayton or University City, MO could do a lot to help the Kerry campaign reach out to county voters.

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MissouriTeacher Donating Member (476 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:28 PM
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7. Kerry IS winning Missouri.
He's been ahead here in the two most recent polls, although within the margin of error.

I posted yesterday about how I was starting to see a lot more Kerry stickers and yard signs around. Then there are the huge crowds that showed up to see he and Edwards recently.

KC and St. Louis are fired up for Kerry. Let's hope it's enough to offset all the red rural counties.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 06:08 PM
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21. Channel 5 just released the results of
a recent Survey St Louis poll that shows Bush ahead by one percentage point

Bush 49%
Kerry 47 or 48%

Matt Blunt is running ahead of Democrat Claire McCaskill as well.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 07:39 PM
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10. Edwards was campaigning in Missouri just yesterday
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zuzu98 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:35 PM
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12. DNC is running ads
I've seen them in the St. Louis areas & in KC (I just got back). In other good news... only two Bush/Cheney bumper stickers all the way to KC and back. Saw a few Kerry stickers, too.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:39 PM
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13. I've seen many Kerry stickers but then again
I live in University City which is known as a "liberal" bastion of St Louis. It's not surprising to see Kerry/Edwards stickers in this area. I am surprised when I see them in Chesterfield (Jim no-Talent's area).
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:45 PM
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14. People won't remember August
No point in Kerry spending a ton of money here now while Bush is also running them and hasn't had his convention yet. After the convention there will be a lot of Kerry ads. People will remember more of what goes on in September and October than August.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 09:04 PM
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16. That's wishful thinking- and also wrong
people do form early perceptions- and once they're formed, they're very hard to break. Republicans know this- that's why they've been spending record amounts of money to define Kerry, before he gets to hammer his issues. It is, unfortunately, a very effective strategy- and one that's beaten Democrats over and over....
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iwantmycountryback Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 09:22 PM
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18. I don't think so
But if they are hit with an onslaught that questions the validity of those perceptions, they may change their mind. Living in New York I don't see many ads for Bush and Kerry, although I have seen a couple with Bush being all sentimental and pretending to give a shit about regular people. If there are more people who try to infuse people with the actualy facts to those who moronically think Kerry is a flip-flopper because his stance on war is different than it was 30 years ago. We'll see.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 08:58 PM
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15. No.
In fact, he doesn't want to win at all. This is obvious, because he keeps ignoring all the contradictory advice the good people here give him.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 10:28 AM
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20. Reading your post is like trying to eat cotton.
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