I believe Hillary Clinton will not concede tomorrow

[Boz]

Please do not jump on me for this discussion I think it is important to have and am not slamming her.

In everything I have heard or seen from the campaign, not reports on, but actually comments and emails, I dont think she is going to concede tomorrow as many believe.

In her emails she has said she will SUSPEND and SUPPORT.

That is very fine line but it is the same slight wording difference between suspending a campaign and ending a campaign.

I believe she will SUSPEND her campaign and SUPPORT Obamas candidacy she will NOT CONCEDE and ENDORSE.

Which is kind of a have your cake and eat it too way to say its going to denver.

I don't think it will matter and we have already seen her support dwindling in just a few days and it probably will not make it to Denver in any sizable measurable way.

But we need to be aware and capable of dealing with the concept that might be where she will be tomorrow and not go off the deep end of emotional roller coaster if she does it.

[mcctatas]

1. I agree with the "suspend" over concession...

but even the die-hards can see the writing on the wall, there will be no support for taking it to Denver...

[Boz]

3. I agree, but I thought it was important to know to sort of buffer the outrage

Knee jerk reactions tend not to happen as much when it is seen early enough and as a an Obama supporter Im just trying to prepare my fellow supporters to not lash out if they feel the urge(I felt it when I realized it)

Lashing out an I told you sos will be counter productive even if they are true.

[iamthebandfanman]

9. yup, only suspend

but i think she should endorse.

she hasta keep the campaign officially alive so she can pay off debt and get finances in order.

[high density]

16. Although I know this is Clinton we're talking about...

I wouldn't read anything into suspend vs. dropping out. Everybody "suspends" their campaigns these days.

[Boz]

20. Its about the release of delegates. not the term suspend, thats for financials,its the not concede

to him being the nominee, that means she is challenging the status by maintaining the delegates

[madmom]

2. It was already said in another thread that the reason she suspends instead of

concedes is so she can still raise money to pay her campaign debts.

[Poll_Blind]

4. Valid point. But why isn't she going to release her delegates?

  That doesn't have anything to do with fundraising.

:shrug:

PB

[high density]

18. Suspend means she could keep the delegates

On the Democratic side, a candidate who "suspends" is technically still a candidate, so he or she keeps both district and statewide delegates won through primaries and caucuses. Superdelegates are always free to support any candidate at any time, whether the candidate drops out, suspends or stays in.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/07/romney.campaign/index.html

Although the delegates remain hers, I assume/hope she will concede the race to Obama on Saturday and will urge her delegates to vote for him. I think the suspend has to do more with financing at this point than delegates.

[Boz]

21. Right its the conceed release of the delegates as Edwards and many many candidates have done before

[Boz]

5. Two different things,conceding he is the candidate and suspending the campaign are not the same.

But it sends a strong message, if she does not concede that he won the primary, then she will be maintaining a challenge to the results.

John Glenns campaign is still in suspension and raising money to pay off 3 million dollar debt(completed after 20 years) from his run in 1984 and he conceded and endorsed.

The concession is to release your delegates not to suspend, just as John Edwards did when he CONCEDED and ENDORSED, his campaign is still suspended and raising money.

[KingFlorez]

6. She is getting out of the race

Just because she isn't using certain words doesn't mean a thing. The race is over, it's time to move on.

[Boz]

22. Is this your first political go round or do you know what the definition of is is

Theres a reason its a lie when Obama says something as a mistake and its just mispeaking for the Clintons.

The race will move on without her no question, but if she does not say the words she will not release her support because she will be maintaining a challenge, just as she has said all along, all the way to Denver

[book_worm]

7. She's suspending, the same thing John Edwards did and endorsing Obama

That's fine with me.

[KittyWampus]

8. not if she refuses to release her delegates to Obama.

[iamthebandfanman]

11. she will release them

to do as they please id imagine.

she'll suspend and endorse tho.
gotta keep the campaign open so she can get finances in order

[Boz]

13. The suspend is the mechanism of finance, the conceding is the release of the delagates

See my other post about John Glenns 1984 campaign suspension and the 20 years it remained in that state to pay off his debt.

[Boz]

10. John Edwards Suspended, Conceded and Endorsed

The Concession is the releasing of the delegates, and thats what Edwards did.

[iamthebandfanman]

12. itll b the same

with the last two flipped.
for financial reasons.

even edwards waited to get his house in order before 'conceeding' or endorsing

[Boz]

14. Edwards campaign is still in suspension to pay debt by fundraising.

[AndyA]

15. I read that there are technical reasons for the wording.

"Suspend" allows Clinton to pay campaign workers after the fact, and use donations in a certain manner to pay bills.

There seems to be a lot more to it than is readily apparent. Edwards also suspended his campaign.

I guess we'll all know for certain tomorrow.

[Boz]

17. Right as I said in an earlier post it is not the suspend, thats financial, its not Conceding which

means she maintains the delegates and does not release them to endorse the nominee. The only reason to maintain the delegates aftr the number has been well and truly reached is if you challenge the results and intend to cast them as a counterr or challenge vote at the convention.

Thats where the problem lies, Not the financing, see my post about John Glenns 1984 campaign suspension.

[mzmolly]

19. Exactly.

:hi:

[NV Whino]

23. I agree.

[Egnever]

24. I dissagree

I think Obama served her a strong cup of shut the fuck up last night. I think after having had to face him directly in a personal setting she will finally get over herself and realize that he has won and that he is up to the task.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

25. my sigline

[hokies4ever]

26. She will get a lot of (unfair) scrutiny when she suspends her campaign

It will be viewed as very suspicious, even though that's how all of the other campaigns ended.

[zulchzulu]

27. Technically, making a concession speech is non-binding, so it doesn't matter anyway

She is out of the race. We can parse whether she concedes and endorses or just suspends and supports... it's over.

Aim the cannons at McSame.

[DemocracyInaction]

28. At least up to last night........

Prior to the meeting it was still reported that she wants her name put in nomination at the convention to make the history books......good christ get over yourself already! Now, how it comes out after last night is anybody's guess. I'm sure it is a distraction that no one wants after they spend a couple months making love to each other in public. It's reported they want "their night"--I guess that would be a tribute complete with magestic music and video of the great Clinton's. Obama is smart enough to realize that while they will have a "part" they cannot stomp around the convention like royalty and make it a three right circus. She has been terribly criticized even by ardent backers for her performance on Tuesday night. I think she has to be a good little girl from now on or there will be hell to pay. It is said they are so angry and so sorry for themselves that they can't think straight.