Dem Strategist: Mother of all Projects (aka They Can't Handle the Truth)

[Dem_Strategist]

A full survey of media bias, right and left.

Research, identify, and list ALL the media forces arrayed on both sides of the political divide. Conservatives are fond of saying that NPR counterbalances rightwing talk radio. They also claim that major papers like the NY Times are "liberal rags."

Dig. Dig. Dig. Pundits, talk show hosts, editorialists, reporters, news anchors. List them all and explain why they should be categorized as right or left (or neutral for that matter).

I'll give some examples: CNN's Candy Crowley is pro-Bush, therefore belongs in the 'right' column. Jodi Wilgoren of the Times is a Kerry-basher, therefore belongs on the right. Paul Krugman belongs on the Left, of course. And so on.

[GalleryGod]

1. Well, How Do We Get WILL PITT on the AIR as a "talking head"

I know that thousands of DUers would like to get Our Boy his "shot" this year in the Presidential Election-Cable Newser Follies.. but we don't know HOW? or WHOM? to Pound with EMAIL or Phone Calls?

Dem-Strat:think: ADVICE please?

Your Man in the Faculty Lounge,:argh: ,lookin' for ChickenHawks,
GG :smoke:

[Name removed]

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[Raven]

6. Chris Matthews and Will Pitt

have Holy Cross College in common...probably not much else!

[Blue_Roses]

10. Chris Matthews--"fence-sitter"

at least until he knows who's in office;)

[GalleryGod]

12. Chris Lobbied HARD for Big Dawg's Press Sec'y (after DeeDee)

May be that's why he's been MAD:grr: all these years?

GG:hangover:

[Blue_Roses]

17. could be

I didn't know that. He drives me nuts though, 'cause he changes his "leanings" according to his favorite flavor for that day

[AmerDem]

42. give more detail on this.

i never heard this before.

[slinkerwink]

3. ALL shows on Fox News should be categorized as on the Right

Also, Wolf Blitzer's show has a right-wing bias to it. There are countless interviews with Dems where he's very snippy with them.

Let's not forget Candy Crowley who seems to really really like Bush and dislikes Democrats along with Judy Woodruff.

Also, Jodi Wilgoren's articles about Kerry have a sort of a snarky right-wing bias to them in the New York Times.

Matt Lauer and Katie Couric are downright rude to Democrats that appear on their shows.

[Kahuna]

35. All of the shows on all the cable stations are anti-Democrat. I don't see

what the mystery is. You may have a fews sprinkings of Dem strategists and liberals like, Begala, Hunt, Shields, Carlson and Van Sustren. (sp?) The question is more, who is not in the bush camp. It's a very short list.

[DancingBear]

4. Some clarification, please

Is this a project you are asking us here at DU to undertake?

Wll the Kerry camp be wanting to see results displayed in some type of chart/statistical display?

If so, how will the Kerry camp use the results?

(I understand if part three of this question can't be answered - yet) :)

[Dem_Strategist]

8. No. No. and N/A

This is just a suggestion.

[DancingBear]

20. OK - thanks - but what is the end result?

All well and good that we know where on the political spectrum these folks reside - but then what?

Maybe it's too early in the morning for me, but I am wondering why you have asked for this, if there is not something waiting on the other end.

You have piqued my curiousity by naming this endeavor "You Can't Handle The Truth."

[Dem_Strategist]

23. "You Can't Handle The Truth" is not aimed at Dems

.

[merh]

56. You have a star, now you can search and review

the posts and replies at "my post".

Dem_Strategist, you may find these features very helpful. :hi:

[slinkerwink]

5. Also, This Week with George Stephanopoulos has a snarky

attitude towards Democrats, which is funny considering George himself used to work for Clinton.

Keith Olbermann's show is geared towards the Left and I always enjoy watching his broadcasts.

Lou Dobbs's a bit impartial and so is Aaron Brown.

Paula Zahn's show is geared towards the Right as is the Scarborough County.

[AmerDem]

43. I agree with your posts.

You pretty much listed everything I witnessed.

[blm]

7. Mediawhoresonline and bartcop already did that.

Those lists have been around for at least two years. Surprised you don't about it.

[Dem_Strategist]

9. Is there a link?

.

[Blue_Roses]

13. here's a link

www.mediawhoresonline.com --look in the A list whore roster. The reporters who lean to the left are the onew "in exile"

www.bartcop.com

[blm]

14. thanks....

ya beat me to it.

[Dem_Strategist]

16. OK, but that is just a list of names

under the heading A-list Whores.

What I'm suggesting is a broader list across the entire range of media channels and with some sort of brief example or explanation of why they belong in a particluar category.

[blm]

19. MWO's link media in exile list is for fair journalists.

While you're at MWO you can also link to Daily Howler which will give you samples of media whoredom since the 2000 campaign. He also analyzes the facts or lack of facts in their reporting.

Again, I'm surprised you haven't used these sources by now.

[Dem_Strategist]

21. In my first post here I encouraged people to read Howler

Bob is a genius.

But I'm suggesting a comprehensive, well-cited, well-researched list of the entire spectrum of American media.

[DeepModem Mom]

25. Would this webpage be helpful in identifying some of the media...

that's out there, so they can be categorized? There must be other sources as well?

[Blue_Roses]

why is Candy Crowley

pro-bush? I thought she leaned left at one time.

[THUNDER HANDS]

11. There are no "left" people in the media

in the sense of people in the "right" because people on the right will never criticize their own, whereas, people on the left feel free to bash Democrats because, well, that's what good journalists are supposed to do.

There are three medias...

The right-wing media
The mainstream media with professional journalists and right-wing shills
The Internet

[quaoar]

28. Not entirely true

"because people on the right will never criticize their own"

Novak and Buchanan do occasionally criticize other conservatives. Buchanan hates the neocons and Novak will let loose on the GOP -- he recently wrote a column criticizing the way the Republican platform is being put together with absolutely no debate and said it violated Republican tradition.

Doesn't happen a lot, but it does happen.

[Cronus Protagonist]

53. I don't get it - Novak and Buchanan are your examples of the "left"?

List just one Communist, one Atheist and one Socialist who has a show on TV and we'll talk about the influence of the "left" on TV.

SHOVE IT! - Drop Bush Not Bombs! - Hero Kerry AWOL Bush
http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13

[Qutzupalotl]

76. I think quaoar is saying

that Novak and Buchanan are on the right but are willing to criticize their own. It's rare for pundits on the right, and should be noted.

It's kinda standard operating procedure for those on the left.

[no name no slogan]

47. It's no longer left or right, it's the top vs. the rest of us

But then again, that's how it's always been in this country, whether your Democrat, Republican, Whig or "Other".

Those that have $$ get media-- it's that simple. Just look at Ross Perot. If he didn't have those millions to buy large blocks of PRIMETIME air on the major networks, would he have been taken as seriously as he was?

It's even the same in our primaries, too. Who gets the most media attention? The candidates who spend the most ON media, that's who.

The media is not "liberal" or "conservative", but simply reflects the values of those who control it, and work in its higher ranks-- IOW, the well-off who have probably never had to worry about having enough food, good medical coverage, a safe place to live, or even a decent job.

Back in the "old days", reporters tended to be working- or middle-class people who typically didn't have much more than a high-school education. Their friends, consequently, were the same. They did not run in higher social circles, like the "media personalities" that report today's news. They didn't make multi-million-dollar salaries and own two homes, or drive expensive cars. Reporters back then also had to WORK for their stories, and wouldn't simply reprint press releases and call them "news"-- unlike today.

The media isn't "conservative", but it's not "liberal", either. It is simply the mouthpiece for the monied class to perpetuate their worldview and beliefs, be they Wall Street or Hollywood.

[DeepModem Mom]

15. I'll make a try for CNN, with three categories --

1. Rarely give the opposition in this democracy (Democrats) a break, some only because they serve sources (Pentagon, for example).

2. Willing to treat Dems as acceptable members of the human race.

3. More than willing to speak for Dems, or always give the Dem view.


Category 1: Wolf Blitzer, Jack Cafferty, Tucker Carlson, Candy Crowley, David Ensor, Jeff Greenfield, Bill Hemmer, Daryn Kagan, John King, Howard Kurtz, Carol Lin, Robert Novak, Kate O'Beirne, Kyra Phillips, Bill (AEI) Schneider, Barbara Starr, Kelly Wallace, Judy Woodruff, Paula Zahn

Category 2: Anderson Cooper, Lou Dobbs, Larry King, Suzanne Malveaux, Soledad O'Brien, Jeffrey Toobin

Category 3: Paul Begala, Aaron Brown, Margaret Carlson, James Carville, Al Hunt, Mark Shields

On edit -- Five of the six in category 3 are specifically employed to represent Dem views on shows with equal numbers of partisans. That leaves one at CNN who might be considered a partisan on our side, Aaron Brown. Lou Dobbs, a Republican in Category 2, also deserves special mention for his courageous reporting.

On further edit -- Bruce Morton, I'm advised, needed to come out of Category 3, so he's out.

[DeepModem Mom]

22. Ill try some at MSNBC, though not as familiar, with same 3 categories --

Category 1: Lester Holt, Joe Scarborough

Category 2: Dan Abrams, Don Imus, Deborah Norville

Category 3: Keith Olbermann

In a category all by himself: Our man, Chris "Tweety" Matthews!

[Shopaholic]

75. Day in, Day out,

Keith Olbermann is doing the best newscast on cable tv at the moment.

[Kahuna]

24. Bill Schneider is unparalled in his whoredom. Bruce Morton did a piece

a couple of days ago showing bush in Florida and said that "bush was feeling the voter's pain like Clinton did." He asserted that bush is actually known to feel our pain. I almost feel off my chair. Then he wondered how would Kerry compare to bush when it comes to pain feeling. I whipped off an email. I asked since when did bush have a reputation of being compassionate and feeling our pain? I said even your bogus polls reveal that voters don't think bush has the interests of average citizens at heart. I asked him why was he trying to sell bush as compassionate when that is something that he has never been accused of being.

[DeepModem Mom]

27. I'm really surprised at that -- I've seen only good reports from Morton...

I could have missed some bad ones, or it could be they told him to shape up or ship out.

[Kahuna]

33. I kid you not. He repeated a couple of times in a row, to reinforce..

the premise that bush is like Clinton when it comes to feeling the voter's pain. Of course trying to implant in viewer's minds after four years of bush never being compared to Clinton in the pain feeling department, that bush has had this reputation all along.

[Sparkly]

36. Sample from the transcript...

This part followed another showing of ground zero "I hear you" line.

MORTON: One of the strongest moments of his presidency. It matters politically because people don't just vote because of where the candidate stands on an issue. They vote on, is he good guy, do I trust him, does he care about us average folks? Things like that. Bush is good at these situations, and that's a political plus for him. His father, here at Hurricane Andrew in 1992, wasn't. He came across stiff.

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, FMR. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The president ought to show what he feels in his heart. And what I feel in my heart is I care about the people and I want to at least let them know we're going to try to help.

MORTON: He lost his reelection bid to Bill Clinton, who, like this president, was very good at letting Americans know, "I feel your pain." Here, he hears a loud bang while talking to flood victims in North Dakota.

WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, FMR. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: That's up there. Anybody hurt? Well, we've had a fire, a flood, a blizzard.

(CHEERS)

CLINTON: I guess we can take it, god.

MORTON: Bill Clinton and George W. Bush are good at this part of being president. Al Gore often seemed stiff, ill at ease. John Kerry, what do you think?

So Chimp is just like Clinton, while Kerry's just like Poppy. Cute.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0408/16/ip.01.html

[Sparkly]

31. I saw Bruce Morton's Chimp-of-the-People piece also

and also fired off a "feedback."

Just yesterday, Morton did a bit about how the candidates exercise, including this:

He talked a few years ago about a fondness for extreme sports. His wife sees it this way.

THERESA HEINZ KERRY, WIFE OF JOHN KERRY: I think he likes to do things that give him liberty, freedom of the air, you know, the water and the snow, flying. He likes all of that.

MORTON: Kerry disagrees, sort of.

KERRY: I don't like to do things where you can lose control or you lose control or what -- I disagree with people who make that assessment. When I'm flying an airplane, I'm very careful, I'm very confident. I feel very confident about the procedures, about the checks I've done, about what I'm doing. Likewise, when I'm on the water, I'm very confident about what I'm doing. I know what -- I am careful and so forth. You don't find me jumping out of airplanes.

MORTON: But we all, of course, remember a president who did, and he seemed confident too.

It made it seem as though Kerry were disagreeing with Teresa ("sort of," since everything he does is ambiguously wishy-washy as they keep emphasizing), but the clips were from two different interviews. Teresa wasn't saying, in her clip, that he likes feeling loss of control. I thought it was all very tricky. And then, of course, they ended with a shot of Poppy skydiving.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0408/17/i_ins.01.html

[Carni]

38. On these two I don't agree: Soledad O'Brien, Jeffrey Toobin

Soledad is NOT open to Democrats.

She once threw a Bill Clinton doll off of her desk (counter, whatever) and said something like "ewwwww that's where it belongs"
(I remember it because at the time a bunch of my political email cronies tried to raise hell with CNN about it)

Toobin's book about the Impeachment was not pro-witch hunters.

He more or less pointed out the lies and dirty tricks that had been played over the years by the right (the book starts out like a condemnation, but in the end it is obvious that Toobin believes the impeachment was a contrived thing about someone's personal biz)

I think Toobin may lean left in his personal beliefs but goes to great lengths to remain neutral in his reporting.

As an aside: I have been told that Daryl Kagan contributes to Democrats but I have never verified that myself and don't know if it's true.

[DeepModem Mom]

39. Thanks, I sort of guessed on Soledad --

and Toobin then would be in the correct category, I think.

[Joanne98]

44. Soledad said last Jan 1st that she made 40 new years resolutions

when asked why she said she always makes 40 resolutions and she keeps them all. what a major brown-nose.

[kikiek]

18. One of the problems with trying to classify the media is it changes

day to day. Unless you're listening to the Air America shows that is. It seems that all the major channels have no problem putting people from the right on. They allow them to them distort facts in Bush's favor on a daily basis. Anyone they consider to represent the left is generally moderate and mild. They are also far more likely to present both sides of an issue and vocalize their dissent. I can't think of a show where the left is represented in such blind allegiance as the shows representing the right.

[StClone]

26. Why do people that tell the truth come out as Left?

Like Krugman. The guy is so often on the money he smells like fresh Bengi's.

Robert Reich is another. The guy is a phenomenal truth teller and the espouser of things that work and he knows his stuff.

Whereas Newt and George Will follow themes and make predictions that often are so off the mark it's scary that they are broadcast in any capacity.

[Dem_Strategist]

30. Being categorized as 'left' doesn't preclude also being truthful

.

[Ron Green]

40. Because the Truth contains NUANCE....

and nuance = weakness, to the masses. The RW is always able to spin it this way, and it will always be the challenge of the Left to counterspin.

[nightperson]

29. Eric Alterman did this I/P list a while back,

but I could only find it archived here. I don't follow I/P stuff too closely, so I don't know how accurate or up-to-date the list is.

[quaoar]

32. How about Lawrence Kudlow

on CNBC. This guy is a Bush whore all the way. He's a contributor to National Review and he was even a member of the Bush/Cheney transition team in 2000.

[Joanne98]

46. "Mortgage the farm Kudlow"

He predicted a bull market 7 times in 2002. Listening to Kudlow is a sure fire way to go broke.

[indigo32]

67. Ewwww!

[Kahuna]

34. Add to the list, wretched media whore Gwen Ifill who is also moderating

one of the debates. If you watched her moderate one of the Dem primary debates you will know which way she leans. Her analysis' on the Sunday shows always advocates for the bushies as she belittles and mocks the Democrats.

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[Carni]

41. Something the campaign needs to seriously think about

Howard Stern has gained Kerry more voters than can be counted.

Now I know Stern's reputation and I also know a lot of progressives hate Stern's show and think he's a pig.

Regardless, with that said.

Kerry should appear on Stern's radio show IMO.

I am sure the Senator would be capable of steering the notorious host away from the pervert chat in a humorous way (and as much as Stern wants bush out of office I doubt he'd set Kerry up like that)

The way I see it, people who hate Stern are either already voting Dem anyway (and won't hold it against Kerry for appearing on Stern)
or they are such conservatives that they would never vote for anyone but bush no matter what the circumstance.

Stern's audience is a treasure trove of swing and independent voters that should not be ignored.

In addition an appearance on Stern would also help to neutralize the "aloof patrician" label that the media and the Republicans have been trying to pin on Kerry.

I wish the campaign would at least consider a move like this.

[Nightjock]

84. Since Stern became vocally anti Bush

his ratings are back to thier old astronomical levels.

I doubt Howard would do any of his "spanking lesbians" stuff (does he still do that? I can't listen to him because I work mornings).

And Kerry can always tell Stern no crazy stuff and he would abide by his wishes. Stern's career could hinge on this election.

But the main problem in my mind is this....
would the Repug spin machine make a big deal out of Kerry on his show? It's too risky. Howard is doing a great job by himself.

With almost everything pointing to a kerry victory, I think it's a chance NOT worth taking.

[Cocoa]

45. I'm surprised you're not more enthusiastic about MWO's list

it seems to be exactly what you're asking for, but when people here brought it to your attention you're strangely discouraging.

Is this project just busywork or do you really need this info?

[Kahuna]

48. There are a lot of online resources. I mentioned some a few days

ago. DU is a good one. But there's also, Buzzflash.com, Bushwatch.com, Bushlies.com, MediaMatters.org, Takebackthemedia.com, Talkingpointsmemo....and scores of others where any Dem Strategiest can get up to the minute news and resources. Many Dem Strategists know about these resources. They all should know about these resources!

A couple of examples. When Mediawhoresonline was up and running James Carville knew about them and used to plug them on Crossfire. Al Franken, Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy and Jeanine Garafalo know where to go to get up to date news and resources. Because they know that in order to do their jobs effectively, they need to know what's going on.

[Carni]

51. I thought the rumor was that Carville and Begala (or both)

WERE the media whores online people?

Now I cannot recall where I heard that.

[Kahuna]

52. All the repukes know to go to Drudge and listen to Rush. We have..

resources too. Why don't our people know about Buzzflash, etc. and Air America?

[Dem_Strategist]

57. What do you base that assumption on?

"Why don't our people know about Buzzflash, etc. and Air America?"

Who told you that?

[Kahuna]

65. I base it on the questions you're asking. That's what I base it on.

If you are familiar with these sources, I don't know why you would be asking us to give you information that you could easily find online yourself at the sources I named. Where do you think we get it our information? :shrug: Don't you think it's redundant to ask DUers to gather the information that is already readily available? Just askin.

[borat sagdiyev]

50. this "project"

is to make people FEEL like they are important/listened to, and the fact that they didn't know the MWO list existed is proof that they aren't who they claim to be.

[slinkerwink]

49. Another example---look at this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x631743

The Kerry campaign should sue CNN for not receiving full coverage of Kerry's speech. Go to http://www.mediamatters.org for a chart on the comparison of network coverage on Bush/Kerry.

[mzmolly]

54. Here is some good information from the Commonwealth Institute

http://www.commonwealinstitute.org/information.html

""Most prominent is Grover Norquist's famous Wednesday meetings, which convene a who's who of conservative activists from 70 or so groups with grass-roots operations, from the NRA to the Christian Coalition, plus conservative congressional aides and writers who serve as movement propagandists. But there are also weekly Wednesday night gatherings of under-30 conservatives, called the Third Generation, at the Heritage. There are monthly Chinatown lunches of the Federalist Society, a network of right-wing judicial extremists. There's Tyrrell's Saturday Evening Club, a monthly confab of leading conservative writers and pundits at a French restaurant. And there's the annual national Conservative Political Action Committee meeting, where of hundreds of grass-roots activists from around the country are roused to battle and given their marching orders."

This information is a good resource for how the RW machine operates. They are very effective.

[bluedog]

55. what is this research going to do

for us?..........I feel we need stronger responders to all the allegations that the bush camp is tossing out.........republlican responders talk over the hosts and the Democratic responders just sit there...like they are afraid to over talk the republicans..

Just facts....the Democratic responders are weak.when it comes to being aggressive when making Kerrys talking points.....

If the party is going to send people out...don't you think they should have all the facts and proof to back their talk up?.....I have seen some that just say "I don't have those facts"........

This is where WE are the weakest.....

And this is where YOU and the Other Democratic Strategists come in....

Get Your Proof and strong speakers ...out there and over shout the the republican responders......
edit for spelling

[Name removed]

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[troublemaker]

59. Seriously... a project is an organized effort toward a goal

What is the product? The form? The application?

No fortune cookies... just the facts.

Thank you.

[troublemaker]

63. SUGGESTION

I posted this in your previous thread, but there's no harm in this duplication.

The Kerry campaign *desperately* needs strong, narrative, colorful and seemingly commonsense talking points. Most of our surrogates are getting killed out there. I'm not talking policy or substance here, just intellectual and rhetorical style. Not strategy, but narrow debate tactics.

And I can promise you that DU excels as a menagerie of diverse intellectual styles. This is a brain-storming engine. DU cannot make decisions or even follow orders effectively. But this place can offer independent thinking of a type that's difficult to generate in an active campaign.

SUGGESTION: Post one "tough" TV question a day requesting answers of less than 50 words. Keep the focus very, very narrow. One specific question phrased a certain way. (And if I were you I'd say up front that there would be no public feedback from you of any sort for obvious reasons. All anyone would want is that it be read by somebody in a position to pick up something worthwhile if it was there to be found.)

I know you have sought similar feedback, but the best way to do something on DU is through the forum itself where people can play off each other. It energizes everyone and people can see how something else is close, but if you tweak it thusly...

This is a marketplace of ideas, so use it for what it is. Real-time feedback creates a dynamic system. What I'm proposing is a completely different process from eliciting the same thing privately.

If that's not making sense, just try it once. There's no harm in it, and it would be excllent for morale.

[mzmolly]

60. Hmmm, play solitare or go post at Free Republic?

Eenie meinie meiney moe ... :freak:

What a rude post.

[grasswire]

61. okay, I get it now....

Over at the Kerry campaign last week, someone mentioned the fact that the troops at DU -- the thousands of troops -- were restless and beginning to be critical of the campaign.

Someone else said "well, then, let's send someone over to tweak them and give them some busywork."

Voila.

I find this whole exercise insulting and useless -- this task today is the topper. If this strategist truly is sent here by the campaign, I'm quite mad.

[bluedog]

64. as I do

I would suggest that the strategists from the Kerry campaign get out and gather their talking heads that go from show to show to come armed with facts and a strong backbone...........not to just sit and spin as the republicans do.but fight with the truth.

Damn some of those there talking responders are unprepared and then have the look of a scared kid.talk over them!.the republicans do it all the time!!!!

[Kahuna]

71. We're not getting any dialogue here. Nobody's asking what do you think...

Well he/she is...But he/she wants it cut down to a committee FCOL.

[borat sagdiyev]

68. I doubt this guy works for Kerry

if so, then not knowing about the MWO list should be grounds for replacement.

[Kahuna]

70. Thank you for saying it. What I'm hearing is,,

It's ten weeks until the election, so chop chop busy bees. My response, this is stuff that should have been done loooong ago. So to act like it's imperative that we get to work on the media ten weeks before the election doesn't ring sincere to me. Also, while we've been working on the media since 2000, what have they been doing?

I have a suggestion for all the Dem strategists. The media isn't going to change and cooperate in ten weeks. They haven't done it in four years, so don't expect them to change now. You need to and should have come up with a "strategy" for dealing with the unfriendly media, waaaay before now. Now chop chop. Time's is a wasting.

[indigo32]

62. Well there are lots of suggestions here

but I'd just like to say...
I CAN'T STAND IT when they say NPR counterbalances Talk Radio. They are not even remotely the same. It's apples and oranges.

[Carni]

86. I have to tell you...regarding NPR

It's just plain boring IMO

I listened for months and yes, I got into it sometimes when someone of note was being interviewed by Diane Rhimes (sp?) or "Fresh Air" could be interesting on occasion but it really isn't all that progressive (or unbiased) IMO when it comes to political commentary.

Yeah, on some fronts I guess it's "progressive" -- the book reviews and poetry and cinema type people they sometimes feature (which personally I am not into, it just sounds like a bunch of blather to me)

I agree...It isn't the "left's talk radio" by ANY means IMO

I get told I am fairly "left" leaning and it's so boring and high brow half of the time that I can't even listen to it.

[kentuck]

66. I've seen John O'Neill on TV much more than MoveOn.org.....

and they spent the same amount of ad dollars? Why is that?

[madfloridian]

69. Here is the PNAC plan, all laid out with maps.

http://www.newamericancentury.org

Truly a lovely site of what our country is about if we don't wake up. Read the documents, note the signatories on the various documents.

Prominent Democrats there.

[DrFunkenstein]

72. Follow The Kingmakers At The AP And Reuters

Will Lester

Nedra Pickler

Mike Glover

Pete Yost

-------------

The Daily Howler is a fantastic resource for calling out reporters from the big newspapers. Highest recommendations. Damn if I didn't have the money to do what he's doing....

[Kahuna]

73. You left out Ron Fournier. Though I might admit that a barrage of

letters and emails may have slowed him down a bit. But, these people have bragged about being king makers. Even Dan Milbank admitted to a reporting bias in 2000. That's what they do. We need to go to plan b because plan a didn't work. With ten weeks to go until the election, it's getting a little late.

[DrFunkenstein]

82. I Knew I Was Forgetting Some Biggies

Fournier is right up there with Nagourney as one of the most influential writers in print media.

[Dem_Strategist]

74. Thanks

Some of you in this thread have done what Dr. Funkenstein (great name) has done. If everyone added just a few names or organizations, this could take just a few days.

[stellanoir]

78. this is sort of trivial

but an example of the kind of stuff that drives me up the wall.

I listen to NPR when I'm gardening. There is a show called Here & Now out of WBUR Boston and it's usually a great show. Today they were interviewing someone (sorry didn't catch the name of the woman-tough to take notes with a trowel) about this current 527 ad war. She was being asked whether or not Bush should condemn the "slow boaters" as Kerry had condemned the Moveon ad.

She had this tone of total annoyance and said something to the effect of, "I'm against all of these ads, but given that Moveon did an ad that was disgusting which compared * to Hitler. . . "

I'm writing them a letter reiterating for the millionth time that Moveon did not create that ad. It was part of a contest, it never aired and they took it off their website as soon as folks complained. Doubt they'll read it though.

This is just one of those trivial distortions that can have a cumulative effect of both guilt by association and erosion of voter confidence. Ughhh

[Carni]

87. Takebackthemedia.com

Is another one.

They have charts showing media ownership etc (although I would think you already know who owns what)

Can't Viacom owned interests do anything helpful, if you get my drift?

[Screaming Lord Byron]

77. If you distrust Dem_Strategist, or doubt he is who s/he is

Why not just stay out of these threads? I am satisfied as to his/her credentials.

[Skinner]

79. He's legit.

I would like to direct everyone's attention to a post I made in another Dem_Strategist thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=632200&mesg_id=632552&page=

[blondeatlast]

85. Thanks; someone had to say it. At the same time they are

distrusting DS, they are grousing that their ideas aren't being used.

I have somebody like that in my office--grrrrrrrrrrrr...

[w4rma]

80. How many "mainstream" media outlets are not owned by a big corporation

with a Republican CEO?

[Triana]

81. ZERO....(n/t)

[bluedog]

83. kick for night crew