To the Obama suporters who address threads, "To the Clinton Supporters who..."

[onehandle]

Cut it out. Obama won.

You're just stirring up shit over an almost non-existent minority at DU as an excuse to bash Clinton and her supporters.

[Name removed]

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[gaspee]

2. You didn't finish the final line

To the Obama supporters who keep posting "to the Clinton supporters"

The way I would have ended that lines is - stfad

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. -

[Veronica.Franco]

4. Do the Clinton supporters ...

who are still upset realize they were taken for a very long ride for nothing? ... It's like a married man wining and dining you ... taking you on a cruise ... promising you the world ... ALL the while knowing that he's spending somebody else's money and it'll be over in a few weeks ... Finally he steps away and says "Wow, that was fun, but it was just really a few months of self-indulgent escapism ... I always meant to go back to my wife eventually... thanks for the good times, BABE" ...

Hillary spent 30 million dollars she didn't have to prove what we've all know for months ... Obama was the candidate then and he's the candidate now ...

If anyone wants to be angry (which is a waste of time and emotion) take it up with the woman who perpetuated this fantasy ... Hillary ...

[Mezzo]

6. Do the Obama people realize more people went to the polls for her than for him?

At the end of the day, more people wanted her than him. No one could have realized that the democratic party would usurp the people's will just like Katherine Harris did in 2000.

Pull the real clear politics link all you want. NOTHING changes that the biggest number on that page is for HER and not him.

[newmajority]

8. That "18 million/popular vote" spin is a bunch of bullshit, and you know it.

Hillogical math requires that you count all primary states, NO caucus states, and give Hillary all her votes in Michigan, but no votes for Obama.

It's not reflective of reality. Nor is the idea that Hillary had any chance of winning after Wisconsin. It was irresponsible (and arrogant) of her to string her supporters along like that.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. NOpe

it does estimate caucus states where real votes weren't given.

Correct, it does not give him any votes for Michigan, as he got no votes in Michigan.

[TheWraith]

11. So the Soviet Union was a thriving democracy in your world. Great.

I don't suppose you're the least discomforted over the fact that by being practically the only name on the ballot, 265,000 people still showed up to vote against her? If even one tenth of the uncommitted votes were Obama supporters, that "popular vote" myth is history. It's spin, pure and simple.

[BzaDem]

25. In the Soviet Union, people weren't allowed to put their name on a ballot without permission.

In America, candidates can apparently make free choices for political gain and then cry "Soviet Union!" later.

[smiley_glad_hands]

16. Make shit up as you go?

[totodeinhere]

41. When are we ever going to let this subject go?

For one thing, those estimates for the caucus states are just that, estimates that may be accurate or may not. But the main point is that we have got to once and for all put this popular vote thing behind us. If we continue to hear that Clinton won the popular vote, whether it's really true or not, it's going to make Senator Obama a weaker candidate in November. We can't let that happen, so please let's stop this stuff about the popular vote. It doesn't help.

[Veronica.Franco]

13. It's over ...

They can keep dwelling on Hillary's talking points ... Hey, she did a great job of getting everybody all geared up for NOTHING ... that was THEN, this is NOW ... HILLARY is voting for OBAMA ... HILLARY is now an OBAMA supporter ... she is working for OBAMA ...

MOVING ON ...

[smiley_glad_hands]

15. Lies.

[GalleryGod]

19. Bullshiite,Dudeness. Fuzzy Math replaced by Billary Metrics

total horseshiite,get over it,or double down on the EFFEXOR-XR
:nopity:

[GalleryGod]

20. I Have been a delegate to 2 National Conventions and attended

2 others as Alternate,and

POPULAR VOTE MEANS HORSESHITTE ! Delegates,Delegates,Delegates.
Write that in your bluebook 300X
Double down on your Effexor-XR dosage.
Hand in your blue book and report to the Academic Dean*








*GFY

:nopity: :nopity: :nopity:

[MonkeyFunk]

28. nobody's claiming she should be given the nomination

based on having the popular vote. Nobody has EVER said that.

But it does mean that you guys really should show a little more humility.

[polmaven]

40. What do you think happened

to all of those arguments earlier in the season that the super delegates really should reflect THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!? Shhhh. Maybe if we are relly, really quiet we will be able to hear the echo!

[Veronica.Franco]

42. Jimmy Carter was one of the super-delegates who supported OBAMA ...

Many will probably follow suit ... hey, it's over ... if you want to change the process the time to do it is BEFORE the primary ... not after ... everyone knew at EASTER that the delegate count was for OBAMA ...

HILLARY is for OBAMA and she has asked all of her supporters to fight for OBAMA as hard as they fought for her ... question is will you? ... if you can't get behind her request for the good of the country then coming here and TYPING is just a tantrum ... nothing more ...

[polmaven]

45. Did that answer my question?

What ever happened to the cry that the super delegates should follow the will of the people...The cry for that on THIS board. What does Jimmy Carter have to do with the Obama supporters who were so vocal about that here just a few months ago? I was one, actually, who argued that the super delegates should be free to decide for themselves whom they will support.

I have, by the way, been vocal about supporting Senator Obama. After the 11 win run he had, I went to the Obama forum to congratulate his supporters and to say that, if he did indeed win the nomination, i would gladly join them.

I have addressed other Clinton supporters who were very disappointed and wondering if they could support him and told them that, in my opinion, we cannot contribute to a McCain win.

Don't lecture me on how to be a Democrat, and don't talk to me about tantrums unless you are sure about what my motives are.

[Veronica.Franco]

46. The superdelegates do reflect the will of the people ..

50% of this country will NOT vote for a CLINTON for any reason ... they've shot themselves in the foot over and over again ... listen to this man ... really listen ... He is reflecting the will of the people ... he's not participating in the fantasy that HILLARY was playing out these last few months ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/audio/2008/jun/04/freedland.carter

[polmaven]

47. You do, I assume,

have some proof that 50% of this country will NOT vote for a CLINTON for any reason....other than the man who has a grudge to settle against the Clintons, that is?

Oh, and the convention is Democrats only, so....it is the will of Democrats only that was being discussed, not "of this country".

[Veronica.Franco]

49. I asked you to listen ...

If you don't have any respect for President Carter or his opinions or the poll he quoted, all of which are quite valid, then why bother commenting ... you are indulging in a tantrum that leads nowhere and has no purpose in relevant politics today ... enjoy ... even Hillary has moved on ... when will you? ...

[polmaven]

50. I did listen. I have heard it before as well.

Again...Senator obama was not my first choice, but I have said time and time again that, now that he is the obvious nominee, I will support as vigorously as I supported Senator Clinton.

What I will NOT do is sit by and watch as people continue to attack President and Senator Clinton with uncorroborated claims and charges. President Carter has not ever been happy with the Clintons, particularly because he was not part of the inner circle in the Clinton White House. When I am deciding to whom I will listen, i will always chose those who have the fewest issues.

Also, again, do not lecture me on how to be a good Democrat. I was born a Democrat and I will die a Democrat, as my mother before me. i will always defend a Democrat - any Democrat - against lies,innuendos, and unfair attacks. It is what Democratic family members do.

[Veronica.Franco]

52. sounds to me ..

like you'll defend a Clinton Democrat ... but not President Carter ... his word is no good with you ... YOU have the right to lecture and condescend as if your "I, I, I," carries some kind of mysterious weight different from mine or others ... you want to call them "uncorroborated claims" because you chose sides with the Clintons ... President Carter cares nothing for "inner circles" anymore then I do ... the Clintons destroyed their reputation with a long drunk into egotism and now they've given themselves a helluva hangover ... pass the aspirin bottle on to them when you've taken your share ... ;-)

[polmaven]

54. President Carter's word is good with me

when it is not tainted with a bias he has held for a decade and a half. President Carter was not invited to the White House for consultations and has held it against President Clinton since. So you will forgive me if I do not automatically take his word when it comes to the Clintons...Well, no, may you won't. you are apparently too righteous for that.

I will also...and have....by the way, criticized both Bill and Hillary Clinton when I think it is appropriate. What I don't do is simply jump to the conclusion that because their name is Clinton, they are automatically corrupt and wrong.

I will also defend myself against accusations and charges that are just flat out incorrect, but made twice.

I am really, really looking forward to noon tomorrow when untrue accusations against other DUers will not be tolerated.

[tigereye]

29. but it doesn't matter- rules are rules and it's the delegates that count

that's just the way it is...


He ran a good and clever campaign and won the day.

[CatnHat]

56. Got that right

Hillary DID win the majority of votes--and thus, the will of the people. Gee, guess the DNC is more worried about the far left elements in their party than a fair process.

There was a time in the democratic party, where fairness matters. Now they are no better than the republican machine; i.e.; putting up with vile and rude supporters, and the whole flawed DNC process.


If the DNC is now worried about their candidate getting out votes; guess what--it's on him; as the nomininee, not Clinton or her supporters to back him up.

[cboy4]

18. Ummm, yea .. a practically equal number of people voted

for each candidate, so it's hardly the runaway some of you radical Obama fans believe it is.

[Veronica.Franco]

33. Delegates ...

It was never based on popular vote ... that was part of the Hillary Romance that she was selling ... she had NO chance of winning the nomination for months now and she herself stated on SATURDAY that she is NOW and always had intended to support OBAMA ... time to pull together for the good of the country ...

[cboy4]

37. You should take your own advice.

And again, half of the people who voted in the Democratic Primaries voted for Hillary Clinton.

Obama is not the overwhelming choice you want everyone to think he is.

[Veronica.Franco]

38. It doesn't matter what you or I think ... it's over ...

EVEN Hillary is asking YOU to let it go and get behind her fight for OBAMA ... will you do it or do you want to whine? ... your choice ... the fight has moved on to the main event ... are you capable of moving with it? ...

[MonkeyFunk]

51. wrong

she had a chance to win until last Tuesday. I just don't understand why you guys lie about this so much.

[Bluenorthwest]

59. Obama is the nominee

And the primaries are over. This bs you are posting is nothing but an attack on a sitting Democratic Senator.
Your objectives are suspect. Your assumptions are assumptions. Did you know, for example, that Ted Kennedy went to the convention over 600 delegates behind sitting Democratic President Carter, Kennedy tried to steal delegates on the floor of the convention? It is called politics. Sounds like you are new to the game. Hillary's campaign helped Obama win the upcoming real election. You don't get it at all.
Why are you jumping on an elected Democrat who is not in any way your rival, rather at this point the most famous of Obama endorsers?

[EFerrari]

5. I've been trying to ask people to talk to us all as a group

instead of one faction to another. I see it's not working. :(

[Mezzo]

7. you've also been saying "I see why they respond to you like that" which might not be helpful.

[Veronica.Franco]

30. Hillary did that on Saturday ...

You are looking for someone to talk to your group? ... Hillary gave her speech and she asked that you all NOW work for Obama just like you worked for HER ...

[EFerrari]

53. No. I meant, trying to get us to talk to the whole forum as a group

instead of posts that are from one faction to another.

[hfojvt]

10. that's kinda ironic

since this thread seems to have not one, but two, Clinton supporters denying that Obama won, or denying that he won fairly.

[mcctatas]

14. They have different math...

;)

[JimGinPA]

12. You're Right...

Most Obama supporters know that you Hillary supporters consider olive branches to be toilet paper.

[cboy4]

17. And some of you Obama fans, and you in particular, will

be tombstoned on Wednesday at high noon, and then I can begin the celebration.

[emilyg]

21. That would be a blessing.

I would celebrate with you.

[Shakespeare]

22. Why on earth would he be tombstoned? n/t

[IndianaJones]

24. bwaaa. nt.

[JimGinPA]

27. LOL - You've Been Far More Ignorant This Primary Season Than I Could Ever Dream Of...

I'd worry about your own tombstone.

[hokies4ever]

32. Stop threatening people with tombstoning

[cboy4]

34. You're skating on thin ice as well hokies4ever...You seem

obsessed with me. :scared:

[hokies4ever]

43. Mommy, hold me!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Hugabear]

55. Who the hell are you to be threatening people?

I don't see an admin icon after your name, so you basically have no clue what the fuck you're talking about. How in the hell would you know who's on the verge of being tombstoned, and who isn't?

Are you compiling a little list of Obama supporters who make posts you don't like, and turning it in every day in the hopes that they'll get canned?

[greguganus]

58. He's like the night watchman that acts like he works for the CIA. n/t

[Veronica.Franco]

35. Hillary has asked you to work for OBAMA as hard as you worked for her

Did you listen to her on SATURDAY? ... If her speech meant so little to you then there is nothing we can say to you here ... you can choose to fight for the team or not ... she has asked for your support in getting behind the nominee ... OBAMA ...

[onehandle]

26. I'm not a Clinton supporter.

Get a clue.

[JVS]

57. So true

[Mimosa]

23. In some cases you might be right, onehandle

Onehandle, I'm a mature Obama supporter. I've always had problems with bothe Clintons and never liked or trusted them. But people do have different viewpoints on the issues. I may not like the Clintons but I sure won't be prejudiced against the many people who supported Hillary. Most of them are very intelligent and very nice, as are most Obama supporters.

It won't be helpful to the our mutual goals to continue 'fighting.' What we all want is Bush to be gone so the nation can heal and hopefully we'll all be doing better in the future.

[hokies4ever]

31. Stop being a sore loser

[onehandle]

39. Who are you talking to? I was never a Clinton supporter.

Stop being a bitter winner.

[hokies4ever]

44. Stop being a sore non-winner then

:rofl:

[bluedawg12]

36. The primaries are over- stirring the crap is pointless- go for unity. n/t

[mainman232]

48. agreed