Michelle's Princeton thesis:

[pnorman]

http://www.scribd.com/word/full/2305083?access_key=key-16chi42k62njmues30ly

That was posted on a listserve of retired members of my union. To a large degree, it's an "elitist" union, and more than a few there tend to be quite conservative. I suspect that the poster felt that thesis to be a "smoking gun". I haven't got too deep into it yet, but I seriously doubt it.

As far as I know, that's a "legit" website --- ie: I don't think the thesis is a forgery.

pnorman

[mrreowwr_kittty]

1. I think a lot of the people making an issue of her thesis are just envious

They'd never in a million years be able to write a thesis and it burns them up to see Michelle Obama being capable of it.

[knixphan]

28. you're probably more right than ya think -

[grasswire]

2. it's been posted here a few weeks ago

I don't think it's any secret. To some Americans, it will seem radical.

[stray cat]

3. Is a reseach thesis a requirement for a bachelors degree at Princeton?

It definitely wasn't at any school I had heard of.

[OzarkDem]

4. I wrote 3 my senior year

at a state university.

It may depend on one's major.

[stray cat]

15. Probably - I was on the biological science end of things so I can't speak for the rest

[BlooInBloo]

7. Keep in mind that what "thesis" means varies quite a bit across the various....

scholastic levels.

[Berry Cool]

8. All schools and programs are different. Some undergrads actually do write theses, especially honors.

Don't bother going down the skeptic's blind alley there.

[vaberella]

11. I had to as well. But then I studied in London, England.

[Indenturedebtor]

20. Yeah Honors students usually do n/t

[goldcanyonaz]

9. I had to

[SharonAnn]

37. It's a requirement at many other schools, too.

[Zenmaster]

5. How evil of her

One of the most benign things I've ever read.

[tishaLA]

6. The thesis is pretty banal

the only thing that's really "shocking" about it is how badly written it is.

[PBS Poll-435]

12. .......

:rofl:

:spank:

[BlooInBloo]

14. Yup - it's not as bad as today's average, but it's not good writing by a long shot.

[gaspee]

34. ;

:rofl: :rofl:

[LisaM]

35. Yes, it is poorly written

I also wondered why she said that she would be a future "alumnus"? She's an alumna! That aside, the quality of writing is just not good. But I guess she got a passing grade on it.

[vaberella]

10. I don't see the importance of this thread. Her thesis came out back in Feb on politico.com and it

was really of no importance.

Here's a link to Politico's statement on it and a copy of the PDF.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

Plus, it was a senior thesis that was done back in 1985 and most people can say she was a minority in all ways. She was a Black woman, where women were not very popular and she was Black which is still roughly makes up 5% of Princeton population. Think about that, her paper was fundamental then and shows some key things now.

In any event...the entire topic is a non-issue so I can't see the importance of this.

[papapi]

16. I'm glad it was posted. I hadn't seen it and wasn't here back in February.

[pnorman]

22. It was "new" to me, and I check DU frequently during each day.

But to tell the truth, I wasn't focusing on Obama until around mid March. But from then on I became by degrees, a STAUNCH supporter of him.

I administer that listserve, and could remove "unwelcome" list members if I chose to do so. But I have never done so in the past 5 years, and I try very hard to maintain a climate of "free discussion" to the extent possible. But if I see the need to make a posting there on that topic, I was hoping to find something relevant here. That's all; it wasn't posted to be "important".

pnorman

[Pirate Smile]

13. I'm not quite sure what the issue is - yes, she wrote a thesis. The campaign released it

months ago.

It also came out that one of her white roomates mother freaked that she had a black roomate and got her daughter switched to a different room.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/news/stories/2008/04/12/roommate_0413.html

Georgian recalls rooming with Michelle Obama


By BRIAN FEAGANS

Published on: 04/13/08

Catherine Donnelly shopped at Kmart, settled into her dorm room and soaked up the Gothic stone buildings where, over the next four years, she would grow into her own woman.

But her first day at Princeton held a surprise, too. And Donnelly knew it would mean confronting the past.

to her mother, Alice Brown. "I was horrified," recalled Brown, who had driven her daughter up from New Orleans. Brown stormed down to the campus housing office and demanded Donnelly be moved to another room.

The reason: One of her roommates was black.

"I told them we weren't used to living with black people — Catherine is from the South," Brown said. "They probably thought I was crazy."

Today both Donnelly, an Atlanta attorney, and Brown, a retired schoolteacher living in the North Carolina mountains, look back at that time with regret. Like many Americans, they've built new perceptions of race on top of a foundation cracked by prejudices past — and present. Yet they rarely speak of the subject.

Barack Obama's run for president changed that. When the Democratic senator from Illinois invited more dialogue on race last month, Donnelly and Brown, both lifetime Republicans, were ready.

But their willingness to talk isn't a response to the candidate born to a white woman from Kansas and a black man from Kenya. It's more about Obama's wife, Michelle.

She's that roommate from a quarter century ago.

[MasonJar]

17. A research thesis is required for a bachelor's degree at Princeton.

I have two daughters that graduated from Princeton and they both wrote a senior thesis.

[MasonJar]

18. A research thesis is required for a bachelor's degree at Princeton.

I have two daughters that graduated from Princeton and they both wrote a senior thesis.

[MasonJar]

19. A research thesis is required for a bachelor's degree at Princeton.

I have two daughters that graduated from Princeton and they both wrote a senior thesis.

[TheDonkey]

21. where is the major findings on "whitey"?

:eyes: So much for the controversy over this.

[vaberella]

25. Obama responded...tons of crap out there and so many making issues. I don't get it man.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/fightthesmearshome

[Bucky]

23. Pretty damning stuff here, as I read it. Page 15: "Kill Whitey"

Unless she's talking about Whitey Ford, this may be trouble.

Hmmm... page 10: She dedicates her thesis to the members of ABBA. WTF? Is she a sleeper agent for McCain?

I'll keep posting as I read.

[Bucky]

24. Page 20: "Black Americans cannot really be proud of their country."

Page 23: "When I was in Korea, I remember being held in a camp.... and yet I can't quite remember exactly what happened there. It comes to me in dreams..."

Page 26: "Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life"

WTF? Who this hell is this Raymond Shaw character? Damn, some of this is just too confusing to follow

[Bucky]

27. Page 31: "When we take over, we won't enslave all the white people, just the short ones"

Jeeze-Louise, this just gets worse and worse!

Page 37: "As an elite cadre of black supermen and superwomyn (guess she wrote this in the 80s) we should start by shaming the white working class out of clinging to their guns. However this is not a major concern, since most guns will be no match for our two greater weapons... fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency.

Page 38: "And an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope."

Oh, I'm so confused. Why doens't this thing have footnotes? Fucking MLA, I just know they're in on this...

[Bucky]

32. Page 48: "Come the revolution, our first step must be to outlaw cabbage"

Well, at least they got that right.

Page 51: "Recent socio-biological studies suggest that a diet high in arugula is useful in lulling naive white liberals into a dull sense of complacency. We must use this weapon in our service to Allah!"

No, no, no! Not arugula, too!!

[Ichingcarpenter]

36. The Whole Marxist, Hitlerian, Islamochistofascist, Neo-Con, Jeffersonian economic chapter

for the 23 centruy I found lacking because it didn't cover the Aztec /Mayan connection
to neoclassic literature.

[bigbrother05]

31. You can stop now, Raymond.

The Red Queen

[izzie]

26. I missed out. What is the fuss about?

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[PM7nj]

29. It's about BLACK people!

And interaction between BLACKS and whites. The media and the GOP will fuss over anything about BLACKS!

[vaberella]

30. Bucky is having way way way too much fun with this!!! ^_^

[benddem]

33. So a black woman educated at a predominantly white

university...cannot do research to determine if Black Princeton graduates changed their attitudes as a result of their study at Princeton. What the hell is the matter with righties? Read the thesis there is nothing in this thesis that is a "smoking gun."