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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:02 PM
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Fox: "Nader: Ore. Dems Using 'Gangster' Tactics"
For the record, I am a member of the "Fuck Nader" crowd.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129401,00.html

SALEM, Ore. — Accusations of dirty tricks are rare in Oregon politics, but Ralph Nader's (search) presidential campaign has sparked charges and countercharges between his campaign and backers of Democratic nominee John Kerry (search).

Union officials who support Kerry accused Nader's backers this week of engaging in widespread fraud and forgery in gathering signatures to place Nader on the Nov. 2 ballot in this battleground state.

Nader's supporters countered that Democrats and their union allies are resorting to "gangster" tactics by bullying and intimidating signature-gatherers in hopes of thwarting Nader's petition drive.

Nader, a 70-year-old consumer activist, is in a last-ditch effort to qualify for the ballot in Oregon, a state that once was one of his strongholds. He failed during two separate attempts to collect the 1,000 signatures needed to qualify for the ballot and now is trying another tack — gathering 15,000 signatures statewide. Nader has until Tuesday to collect them.
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:04 PM
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1. No, it's not "gangster tactics."
Ralph really does have a lot of supporters in Oregon but he is a failure at rallying, organizing, and mobilizing them because he is not about GRASSROOTS politics, he is about ELITE, EGO politics.
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:06 PM
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2. Dems use gangster tricks?
Yet Nadar takes pay-offs from GOP interests.....

Pot meet kettle....
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:10 PM
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3. For the record
I am a member of the "Blow it out your ass Ralph" crowd m'self.
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:15 PM
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4. No Ralph,
making people sign an oath of loyalty to get in to see you and hiring goons to disrupt a legal voting process are gangster tactics. Saying "to win we have to suppress the Detroit vote" is a gangster tactic. Insisting on legal signatures is not.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:16 PM
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5. What a Loser!!!!!
"He failed during two separate attempts to collect the 1,000 signatures."

The guy can't find 1K out of all the voters in the state!!!!!!


And really did you honestly expect anything different from Fox?

:eyes:

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DrMath Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:17 PM
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6. Now we know
I guess we all know why there could never be a strong third party! I'm surprised that article was from fox news. Nader isn't such a bad guy, he's just trying to be a participant in democracy.
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:23 PM
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8. Maybe, but
If I go to a state that I don't live in, and not once but TWICE, fail to get enough signatures to be on the ballot, I'd might just get the idea that maybe when it comes to the Presidency of the United States, the voters don't want me to be a "participant in democracy."

Doing something over and over and getting the same results but keep doing it because the results MIGHT change. Which is that the defination of; Crazy or Insane?
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DrMath Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:35 PM
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9. That's just the point
Nobody likes Nader (including me) or any other third party and that's why there isn't a strong one. They don't like them because they aren't open-minded enough to consider them (also including me)!

I think Nader is a senile idiot but I haven't listened to what he has to say either. For all I know, he could be exactly what I want in a president but I'm just going to ignore him.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:20 PM
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7. Thank you, Tony "the Oregonian" Soprano
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