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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:34 AM
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I strongly support Obama except in ONE thing.
He hasn't said this but I know for a fact that once he becomes president
Bush, Cheney and the others will retire in luxury and comfort for the
rest of their lives.

There will be NO accounting for their crimes. They will join OJ
as more examples of America worshipping criminal, murderous behavior.

The only punishment they will suffer is seeing their treasured crimes
dismantled.

Mark my words. Obama will do NOTHING TO MAKE THEM ATONE.

So I am stating my opposition to this, Obama's future stance.


We are doomed to feel forever, a great injustice that never heals.
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:38 AM
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1. Since you see the future can you tell me the Power Ball numbers for next week? n/t
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 04:40 AM
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2.  4 7 8 32 56 ... but the rest of the numbers are hazy.
Will that do?
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:24 AM
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9. except most of them will be wrong.
Regarding your OP...thanks for your 'concern'

kthksbai.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 09:58 AM
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10. I'm pretty sure about the 8 though.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 05:11 AM
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3. None of our viable candidates would have pursued Bush or Cheney as President.
It's wrong, but it's just not done.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 05:15 AM
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4. To promise retribution to your political rivals is an excellent way to eliminate the possibility...
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 05:17 AM by JVS
of a peaceful transition of power. Think about it. You're Bush and were just told, "we're going to toss your ass in jail for war crimes" What do you do?

This is not a campaignable item. After inauguration is the first point where such a thing could be mentioned in any but the most secret situations.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 05:52 AM
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5. I agree Bush will skate
"Moving forward" and "putting the past behind us" has been the Democratic modus operandi since Reagan, I don't expect that to change. Which means these Republican idiots will be back, in more virulent form. Look at all the Watergate/Iran-Contra retreads we've endured these past 7 years.

However, Obama did have an interesting moment a couple of months ago, where he signalled that he just might sic the legal hounds on Bush-Cheney and crew:
What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my Attorney General immediately review the information that's already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can't prejudge that because we don't have access to all the material right now. I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You're also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt because I think we've got too many problems we've got to solve.

So this is an area where I would want to exercise judgment -- I would want to find out directly from my Attorney General -- having pursued, having looked at what's out there right now -- are there possibilities of genuine crimes as opposed to really bad policies. And I think it's important-- one of the things we've got to figure out in our political culture generally is distinguishing betyween really dumb policies and policies that rise to the level of criminal activity. You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I've said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances. Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law -- and I think that's roughly how I would look at it.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/attytood/Barack_on_torture.html
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 06:55 AM
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6. Everyone But Bush Himself Will Be Pardoned By Bush
I wouldn't be so sure that Bush will skate.
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progetto Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:04 AM
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7. Holding BushCo accountable is the responsibility of congress
Kucinich tried, but at this point it looks like Bush & Cheney are off the hook. As POTUS, neither Hillary or Obama would pursue it.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 07:19 AM
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8. I am consoled that he'll at least overturn Dumbya's "signing statements"
Edited on Thu Jun-19-08 07:20 AM by Liberal_Stalwart71
and Executive Orders expanding presidential powers. But you're right. I'm not happy with his stance on impeachment. I understand why he feels that he must not go down that road, but I think it's cowardice not to hold these criminals accountable for what they have done.
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Kablooie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:00 AM
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11. I agree. The crimes will be absolved. But unfortunately, the crime creators also.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:06 AM
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12. If I were running, I sure wouldn't campaign on this.
It's enough for me to hear his statements on Habeus Corpus, The Constitution and Rule of Law, clean government, transparency, the reversing the policies and violations of the Bushies--I think he'll do the right thing when the time comes. It's important for the precedent that would be set if they got away. Nixon shouldn't have been pardoned, even though it would have caused a mess at the time.

Hopefully this can be pursued at the same time that the wounds of a bleeding nation are being bound up.

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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-19-08 10:28 AM
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13. Yesterday I was thinking that all the Republicans
should be put in Gitmo forever till they die, but then I thought,
" We could do that, but it would be wrong."

Still undecided.

First, lets please just win the election. And the congress.

mark
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