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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 12:16 PM
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The new Swift Boat ad: Yes, we already know Kerry testified...the point?
THIS is the "death blow" to the Kerry campaign that they were predicting?

http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video2.html
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 12:23 PM
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1. It says a lot about their motivation.
Might even undermine their position in voter's minds.
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 12:37 PM
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2. Their actions reveal all
If they were certain it would work, the Bush campaign would do it directly. They want to hide behind the cover of the Swift boat group in case it blows up.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 12:42 PM
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3. The Bush campaign or RNC may in fact push this in the fall.
Edited on Fri Aug-20-04 12:42 PM by David Dunham
That's why we need to fight it now.
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DemNoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 01:03 PM
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5. Good point
If it tests well they may do that.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 12:55 PM
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4. The Point, Sir, Is To Vent Their Own Spleen
Edited on Fri Aug-20-04 12:58 PM by The Magistrate
As is always the case, that will prove a very counterproductive exercise.

Sen. Kerry's testimony is not only true, but has really become the guiding image of the popular view of the war in Viet Nam. Almost everyone except the most rabid of reactionaries is quite aware there were war crimes and atrocities routinely carried out as part of the U.S. effort in that war, just as they know war crimes and atrocities were routinely carried out as part of the North Vietnamese effort in that war. This small clique of deluded men may quarrel with this, being incapable of honest self-examination, but it is a fact, and a widely known and understood fact.

Lt. Kerry, in his testimony, is clearly a young man of extraordinary courage and honesty who does not spare himself from his criticisms in this matter. This is an admirable trait, and most people caused to look on its display will admire him for it, and be very favorably impressed by the character he displays. Knowing youth to be the school of the old, they will be inclined to see these same admirable traits in him today.

The popular mood concerning the war in Iraq is turning today. Most people view it as a mistake; most people wonder how long it will continue, and see no real prospect of success, beyond planting "our own Saddam" over that unhappy land, and continuing to hear of killings and turmoil there with little direct U.S. involvement. Little will be gained for the enemy, to put it mildly, by reminding the people of a mass movement against a war that achieved some success in altering government policy.

The problem the enemy has run up against in promoting this line of attack is a sort of mirror of something often seen in this forum. Persons who are deeply committed to a political belief tend over time to come to believe the number of people who agree with them is much greater than it actually is. They therefore fall easily into misjudgements concerning what measures will actually move a great mass of people. The reactionary right is particularly prone to this, because it spends so much time assuring itself that it is the real "heart and soul" of the country. The fact is that most people are repelled by any ideological belief, and ideologues can only gain mass following by concealing the true content of their ideologies, and the depth of their attachment to them. It does not do to let the cat out of the bag, and this line of attack does that in spades....

"Stupid men do stupid things, and desperate men do desperate things. We are in for a desperately stupid summer."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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Cicero Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 01:23 PM
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7. This is just a transitional step...
There will likely be a series of ads like this. This one seems like the perfect transition towards criticising Kerry for the Winter Soldier Investigation, of which Kerry was a part of.

For a preview of things to come, go here: http://www.wintersoldier.com

They are not going to stop...

Later,
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 01:33 PM
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8. But They Will Not Succeed In Their Purpose, Sir
An enemy's persistence in useless effort is to be applauded and encouraged....

"There will be a holiday in our street soon!"

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"
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A_Possum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 02:03 PM
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11. You always have excellent posts
Thanks.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 02:32 PM
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14. Wow, Magistrate
You rock, Sir. :)
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 01:05 PM
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this is all old news man...
its stupid just stupid...ugghh...
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 01:05 PM
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6. this is all old news man...
its stupid just stupid...ugghh...
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charlie105 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 01:34 PM
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9. Cannot access it. I'm behind a firewall at work. What does it say?
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Bush_Eats_Beef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 01:57 PM
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10. It's basically snippets of Kerry's Vietnam testimony...
...and the Swift Boat guys saying he disgraced and demoralized the military with his comments.

That's the big "scandal." It's a joke.
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charlie105 Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 02:15 PM
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13. Sad, pathetic losers. Although it hurts to say that about
people that could have been killed in trying to defend us.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 02:12 PM
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12. They really are getting desperate,
Edited on Fri Aug-20-04 02:13 PM by in_cog_ni_to
aren't they? It's a known fact that what Kerry testified to is the TRUTH. Given a choice between truth and lies, the truth shall prevail. This new ad is a pathetic attempt to make Kerry look bad. All they are accomplishing by airing this dirty laundry is reminding the people of what our soldiers did in Nam....and it ain't pretty. They're just pissed that Kerry exposed their asses. TOO FUCKING BAD! What they (soldiers, in general) did was wrong and NOTHING, even this ad, will ever make it right. :(
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