HELP, PLEASE! Right Winger charge against Kerry

[Tennessee Gal]

A right winger posted on a forum that Kerry's letters for his Bronze Star and Silver are NOT THE ORIGINALS. They are signed by John Lehman who was not Secretary of the Navy until 1981.


http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Bronze_Star.pdf

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Silver_Star.pdf

http://www.fact-index.com/u/un/united_states_secretary_of_the_navy.html


There has to be a plausible reason for this. I know a DUer will come up with it!

[tandot]

1. Just ask them where Bush's original medals are...

oh wait...he was a coward and used his daddy's connection to get into the National Guard instead of fighting for his country...so, Bush doesn't have any medals:

[A_Possum]

2. John H. Chafee was secretary of the navy in 1969

Looks as much like the sig of John Chafee as John Lehman to me.

[NMDemDist2]

6. that is correct, John Chafee was Sec of the navy in the years

when Kerry won the stars

William B.Franke............................8 Jun 1959 - 19 Jan 1961
John B. Connally, Jr....................... 25 Jan 1961 - 20 Dec 1961
Fred Korth.....................................4 Jan 1962 - 1 Nov 1963
Paul B. Fay (acting)........................2 Nov 1963 - 28 Nov 1963
Paul H. Nitze................................. 29 Nov 1963 - 30 Jun 1967
Charles F. Baird (acting)................ 1 Jul 1967 - 31 Aug 1967
Paul R. Ignatius...............................1 Sep 19 - 24 Jan 1969
John H. Chafee...............................31 Jan 1969 - 4 May 1972
John W. Warner.............................4 May 1972 - 8 Apr 1974
J. William Middendorf....................8 Apr 1974 - 20 Jan 1977
W. Graham Claytor, Jr...................14 Feb 1977 - 24 Aug 1979
Edward Hidalgo..............................24 Oct 1979 - 20 Jan 1981
John Lehman..................................5 Feb 1981 - 10 Apr 1987
James H. Webb............................. 1 May 1987 - 23 Feb 1988
William L. Ball............................... 28 Mar 1988 - 15 May 1989
Henry L. Garrett III........................15 May 1989 - 26 Jun 1992
Daniel Howard (Acting)..................26 Jun 1992 - 7 July 1992

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq37-1.htm

[Ducks In A Row]

3. I call bullsh@t

good discussion here: http://linkfilter.net/?id=56779

[denverbill]

4. When you get a copy of your birth certificate, is it the original?

Of course not.

The stuff says 'official record copy' all over it. They aren't just going to hand JK the originals and let him walk off with them.

Are they accusing Ronald Reagan's Secretary of the Navy of altering JK's military records or something?

[fishface]

5. Tell him to prove that's Lehman's signature..

watch his haed spin around on his shoulders. LOL

[fob]

7. So John Lehman the bush*apologist from the 9/11 commission

is covering for Kerry? Tell him you hope it's true, and if it is his boy is in more trouble than he knows he is.

[deutsey]

8. Adm. John J. Hyland, however, was Commander in Chief

of US Pacific Fleet between Nov. '67 and December '70.

http://www.cpf.navy.mil/facts/formercincs.html

His name is on the Silver Star citation. How does the rightwinger explain that?

[deutsey]

10. Zumwalt (on the Bronze Star citation)

was commander of US Naval forces in Vietnam, Oct. '68 to May '70.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq93-1.htm

[papau]

9. Fellow can only read "John"? - From 1/31/69 to 4/8/74 Sec Navy was John

and it was not Lehman - although I grant you sig. looks like "Lehman".

But the Silver Star was signed by Zumwalt - as Commander

and the Sec Navy for the point where they added the Combat Dist. Devise may well have been "Lehman"

November 29, 1963 -June 30, 1967 Paul H. Nitze
July 1, 1967 -August 31, 1967 Charles F. Baird (acting)
September 1, 1967 -January 24, 1969 Paul R. Ignatius
January 31, 1969 -May 4, 1972 John H. Chafee
May 4, 1972 -April 8, 1974 John H. Warner
April 8, 1974 -January 20, 1977 J.(John?) William Middendorf

Who says the citation is written within 6 months or 16 years of a combat incident -Lehman could write a citation for whomever he wanted based on military records.

Or a sig stamp for a Lehman or Lyman - as an 'acting' Secretary of the Navy at the time Kerry got this citation - while they waited for new Sec Navy?

[veteran_for_peace]

11. John Lehman

He was the undersecretary of the Navy. http://www.9wusa.net/insidewashington/insidewashington_article.aspx?storyid=29065

[A_Possum]

12. Well that would be helpful but

i don't seen anything about Lehman in your link?

That's what I'd figure--if it's really Lehman's sig, then he was some sort of aide/undersecretary at the time.

[papau]

13. special counsel and senior staff member to Dr. Henry Kissinger, NSC

http://www.ball.com/bios/lehman.html

Dr. Lehman began his career in defense and foreign affairs as a staff member of the Foreign Policy Research Institute from 1967 to 1969 at the University of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia. From 1969 to 1974 he served as special counsel and senior staff member to Dr. Henry Kissinger on the National Security Council, and from 1974 to 1975 he was a delegate to the Mutual Balanced Force Reduction Negotiations in Vienna. He became deputy director of the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency in 1975, and was chief operating officer there upon leaving in 1977. He served 25 years as a naval aviator in the selected reserves.He served as Secretary of the Navy from 1981 to 1987.

[Bandit]

14. Don't know about Kerry's awards but I know in my case I have

at least one award that was issued in 1971 for action in 1968. They usually are quite specific about the date and place the action took place but the actual award could be issued months or years later.

[Tennessee Gal]

15. Thanks............

for the help!