The Swift Boat people have put out a SECOND ad that started airing today

[ringmastery]

This is the lowest of the low.

http://swift2.he.net/~swift2/sellout.wmv

[David Dunham]

1. This latest ad will NOT BE EFFECTIVE. It is just opinions, not facts

[papau]

10. And it does not air until Tuesday - just National Talk/News until

then -

you know - ethics in the media

Fair and balanced

sigh ......

Our not controlled by the right wing GOP US Media - they just act that way.

[MercutioATC]

2. But we now know that all of the abuses Kerry described actually happenned.

How is giving that testimony before a Congressional commission "betraying" anybody?

By this logic, all wrongdoings should just be covered up.

[cmkramer]

3. Kerry's testimony

Actually, he was only testifying about what other vets had said about what they had done. The ad makes it sound like he's accusing fellow vets instead of just reporting what they said.

Also, the ad isn't supposed to air until next week because it hasn't been put up to buy yet.

[Poiuyt]

5. It's not supposed to air until Tuesday

They released it to the media knowing that they would get some free air time.

[Ruffhowse]

4. That's a much weaker ad than the first one, not nearly as well done.

I think most people have bad memories of Viet Nam, and associate it with a lot of atrocious behavior by soldiers sent there (from clear examples such as Mei Lai (sp?) and other well documented incidences of atrocities). Basically all Kerry is saying is that bad shit happened in Viet Nam and, well, everyone now knows that's true. So the Swift Boat Vets are just bitching that he said it, not whether it was true or not. No fire here, these Repug flunkies missed the target on this one.

[Cat Atomic]

6. GREAT NEWS. These guys are an achor tied to Bush's ankle.

I hope they have LOTS of public smears to make against this decorated vet. Now that their connections to the Bush campaign are coming out, it'll only make Bush look like a chickenshit liar.

I guess Rove didn't read the Times today.

[Vickers]

7. AMEN!!!!! This is great news...give 'em enough rope and all that

:hi:

[MercutioATC]

8. Did Kerry really later downplay his testimony as "a bit excessive"

and "the words of an angry young man"?

[girl gone mad]

13. No, not really.

Ha said that some of the language he used may have been a bit harsh, and certain things were said in anger, but he is still proud to have spoken up against the war, as he should be.

[MercutioATC]

14. I'd love a link to rebut the Freepers.

I could look it up, but do you happen to have one handy?

[BeatleBoot]

9. Bush is Trying to Get Kerry to Spend Campaign Dollars Now

That's what all of the Swift boat stuff is about.

Get Kerry to spend money out of his camapign funds now rather than later.

[EndElectoral]

11. This needs to be read by al SWV's

General David Shoup, USMC (Ret), who earned the Medal of Honor in WWII, publicly supported John Kerry in 1971.

http://www.vvaw.org/commentary/?id=399

[PurityOfEssence]

12. Kerry also said supportive, kind and sympathetic things about the troops

At the time. The famous comment about asking someone to be the last one to die in Vietnam is positively electric.

The rape line is pure out-of-context personal assault, and they're the dregs of humanity for teasing out these statements to misrepresent his overall testimony. Kerry's testimony characterized it as a huge mistake and one that put our troops in extreme peril.

It would be very easy to pull very sympathetic quotes about the soldiers out and cut together a commercial that ties his concern for fellow combat soldiers in a consistent thread with what he's saying now about Junior's elective world conquest. This could be a very handy way of simply showing consistency in the man's humanity and the ugliness of his opponents.