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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 01:14 AM
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"Letter from a Soldier" Debunked in Harper's Sept '04 Issue
It is not available online at harpers.org, but should be on the newsstands soon. A thorough debunking of the letter, its contents and author.
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Tim_in_HK Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 01:24 AM
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1. Sorry
background please? What's the original letter?

Thks
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 01:34 AM
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3. Piece of Internet Trash That's Showing Up Everywhere
Here's one of the least offensive sites it can be found:

http://www.rfsafe.com/tributes/article654.html
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 01:28 AM
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2. It's a Marine handout for their training
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 01:31 AM by motivated
Posted on Thursday, August 19, 2004. From a handout that accompanies a weeklong course on Iraq’s customs and history given to U.S. Marines as part of their training. The course, devised by the Marine Corps Division Schools, was introduced last September with the intention of improving relations between Iraqis and U.S. forces. Originally from Harper's Magazine, June 2004.

http://www.harpers.org/

It's so nice to know that our military is in tune with the customs and culture of Iraq.:crazy:

But, it's certainly consistent with every other fuckup we've managed over there. Stay focused. Be stupid.

On edit: Or, did I miss the letter? Only saw this, which was kinda' interesting.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 01:36 AM
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4. The Contents of the Sept '04 Issue Are NOT On Line
As I stated in the header, it's on the Sept '04 issue; you have pulled the article of the day, which was from the June '04 issue.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 01:50 AM
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5. My bad
:spank:
As I asked: "Did I miss the letter?" They did make an August 2004 reference so I just jumped on the mule and started riding it.

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 02:04 AM
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6. Have you already read it, REP?
I'm dying to hear more about the debunking... are you familiar with the case Harper's is making?

That letter always made me a little bit ill.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 06:26 AM
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7. Well, I just read it. To summarize:
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 06:29 AM by bunnyj
The author is a real person, who admits that he wrote the letter. He states that he got a lot of his info from the web site Vietnam Veterans Against Kerry, which is hardly an impartial source.

He attributes quotes to Kerry that are actually from others - the most striking example is where he claims Kerry called the families of POW's and MIA's "professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers,... and dime store Rambos". This statement was actually made by John McCain during a 1994 Senate debate.

He attempts to come off as a simple, everyday guy, who is sincerely striving to choose the best man for the job, and, after great deliberation, he can only conclude that Kerry is not that man. In fact, he's a lifelong Republican who has volunteered on at least eight different political campaigns, and written several other partisan tracts.


I encourage everyone to read Harper's and Vanity Fair regularly. They contain great information and articles about Boy George and his minions.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 07:59 AM
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8. Thanks bunnyj.
I'll add this to my arsenal.
I got that e-mail from a 'friend', last week. I answered her, pointing out some of the more obvious inconsistencies, but this puts the final nail in the coffin.

She had actually called him. Paul is her late husband, a WWII Ace and a true hero. She supports Bush* and I don't think she'll change her mind. Oh well. Here's what she had to say about Connelley:

I have just spoken with Mr. Connelly by phone. (Paul taught me that one should always check one's facts!)

This man is real...........not the invention of some internet user. If you don't believe me, do what I did. Call him. He was so very kind and answered several questions I posed.

For instance: IF the "Swift Boat" folk have denounced Kerry (as I'd read) then who were the men who reportedly accompanied him across the river en route to the recent convention in Boston? It appears there were three crewmen (not officers) who at the time endorsed Mr. Kerry. Subsequently, one of the three has withdrawn his support. Mr. Connelly told me he has spoken with these men. The Swift Boat Veterans group who served in Vietnam at the same time as Kerry is indeed deeply offended by and unsupportive of Mr. Kerry's candidacy.

Mr. Connelly confirmed the report of Kerry's 1st wound, (widely covered in numerous unsubstantiated e-mails) ........the result of firing a grenade launcher at the empty river bank when the craft was within 'do-not-fire' range, placing the entire crew in jeopardy. The grenade exploded and resulting shrapnel inflicted the minor wound on the man behind the weapon.

Mr. Connelly also recounted that when Kerry requested the Purple Heart, his Commanding Officer turned him down. Kerry appears to have gone over his CO's head to secure this first medal.

Those of you who knew Paul know that a true hero is one who never mentions nor takes advantage of his actions under fire. "I was just doing my job," is their universal response. When Paul's commanding General told him he wanted to put him up for the Medal of Honour but Paul would have to write his own commendation (guess the General had more important things to do?) Paul told him, "Sir. If I warrant the highest honour our Country confers upon it's military, then somebody else will just have to write the recommendation." As you all know, Paul was the last person from whom you would learn of his numerous medals and honours.

No matter what one's politics, no matter one's history, does it not behoove us all to honour those of our family, circle of friends, fellow citizens who have sacrificed so much, not to mention those in coming generations, by learning as much as we can about potential leaders and then exercising our hard-won privilege to ensure the very best, most honest leader available, regardless of their Party affiliation? None are perfect; all have failings, as does all of humankind. Just think how history might have been changed had the citizens of Germany done more homework before electing Hitler ?

There are so many decisions that have to be made by a President; the most important of which is whether or not to tell the truth.

As Teddy Roosevelt once said, "If you'll steal FOR me, you'll steal FROM me!"

Mr. Connelly has, apparently, researched his subject extensively .......reading official reports and interviewing knowledgable, involved personnel.

He most generously shared his e-mail address with me, in case you would like to contact him "for free" without incurring long-distance charges.
mrobertc@hotmail.com However, I recommend a phone call simply to get an immediate response to your questions and a "feel" for the man.

I am not sending this as an endorsement of either candidate for the highest office in our great country. I am simply sharing so we may each consider all the information available when we cast our ballot in November. We are daily bombarded by paid advertisements from those with a serious agenda, both Republican and Democrat.

Many of us have gone to great lengths to earn the right to vote - for some it came as a birth-right - for others it was a very personal and sacred choice.

Read on............................ PLEASE ?


I called the man that wrote this letter in Dallas, Texas. He graciously talked to me and confirmed that he wrote the letter and he authorized it's use anyway I wanted to make use of it. He said that he estimates from the amount of e-mail and phone calls he has gotten, that at least 20 million people have read it and said that many churches have called him asking permission to hand out copies of it in their churches.

His name is: Michael Connelly
3440 Timberglen Road
Dallas, TX 75287-3490
Phone: 972-306-4717

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:41 AM
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9. Subsequently, one of the three has withdrawn his support - who?? A lie???
Edited on Sat Aug-21-04 08:41 AM by papau
I am shocked that our media has not pointed out that of the 12 living folks that served with Kerry - 11 totally support him

I am shocked that our media has not pointed out that the closest any of the GOP liars got Kerry in any of the incidents was 600 yards - and most of the time it was 1 to 3 miles - if they were there.

I am shocked that our media has not pointed out one of "I know - I was there" folks now admits he knows nothing because he was much too far away - and is now just reading a Rove script.

Smears work - and I am shocked that our media is helping them work - after saying they wanted to help America via discussion of the issues - perhaps it is time for some very heavy regulation of the media? Say British rules?
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-21-04 08:42 AM
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10. And isn't the 12th guy dead? n/t
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-22-04 04:41 AM
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11. In A Nutshell
The author is a lifelong Republican and a volunteer campaign worker for at least eight campaigns and has "written several other political tracts. But he pretends to begin his investigation of Kerry from an agnostic, even hopeful position, and so his letter reads like a journey into disillusionment...." "Like other chain emails, this missive is a long string of fictions and half-fictions, with a few accepted facts that serve to head off suspicion. (Sociological studies of urban legends have found that purely fictional or purely true stories tend to succeed far less often than hybrids of the two)."
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