Discovered a photograph of * with another award

[Walt Starr]

So now we have a rack that looks like this for Bush:

BBBBBBBBBBBBB


Vs. this look at Kerry's rack:

Kerry' s




Please note, the only awards I have documented evidence of Bush deserving are the two Texas Air National Guard medals from his ANG22. We do not know if Bush is wearing the Air Force Outstanding Unit Award and Air Force Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon legitimately because he won't release his DD214.

Maybe there's a Texas Air National Guardsman for Truth who can confirm, "George Bush is lying about his Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon. I was there, he missed fifty percent of his shots and did not qualify with his pistol."

[Bandit]

1. There should be an oak leaf cluster on the purple heart and a V on the

Bronze Star. Also he had several Unit citations including a Presidential Unit Citation which would be worn on his right chest. How did you obtain these ribbons and do the placement? I have been unable to find a site which would let me do what you did here.

[Catch22Dem]

2. Actually 2 OLCs on the PH

3 PHs total.

[Bandit]

3. I was under the impression that an OLC was for three awards

:shrug:

[Catch22Dem]

5. Negative

A bronze OLC is for a subsequent award. So I have 4 AF Achievement Medals which means my uniform has the original ribbon and 3 OLCs. I have 7 unit citations which means I have the original ribbon, a silver OLC and a bronze OLC.

Here's the Reg: SECNAV Instruction 1650.1G

c. Oak-Leaf Cluster. The oak-leaf cluster is worn
on the service and suspension ribbon of all Defense, Army
and Air Force decorations and the Joint Meritorious Unit
Award. The larger size (13/32 inch) is worn on the
suspension ribbon of the medal and the smaller size (5/16
inch) on the service ribbon or ribbon bar. The bronze oakleaf
cluster is used for the 2nd through 5th, 7th through
10th, and so forth. A silver oak-leaf cluster is used for
the 6th, 11th and so forth, entitlement or award, or in
lieu of five bronze oak-leaf clusters.

[Walt Starr]

6. Actually, two gold stars on the PH

Gold stars are used on the PH instead of oak leaf clusters.

Also, besides the Combat "V" device on the Bronze Star, he should have four bronze star devices on the Vietnam Service Medal, although the photographs of Kerry wearing the ribbons show only two. four are listed on his DD215 (a correction to the DD214).

Finally, the Naval unit commendations Kerry received are worn above the left pocket. Presidential Unit Citations awarded to the Army and Marine Corps are worn above the right pocket.

[Bandit]

7. Thankyou for clarifying things

I was in the Army and things are definitely different between the two branches of service.

[Catch22Dem]

8. Thanks!

Didn't realize they used the star instead of the OLC. Star looks better anyway. (Or is it a Starr? :evilgrin:)

[arwalden]

4. What Does Each Ribbon Mean

Isn't there a basic "good conduct" ribbon that you get just for showing up and not causing any trouble? Did Bush* get one of those?

-- Allen

P.S. Note Bush's* photo... even THEN he couldn't control his smirk.

[Walt Starr]

9. Top to bottom, left to right as you look at them

Dubya:

Air Force Outstanding Unit Award (verified via photograph only)
Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon (verified via photograph only)
Texas Faithful Service Medal (TANG award verified via ANG22)
TSG Service Medal (TANG award verified via ANG22)

Kerry:

Silver Star (Verified via DD214)
Bronze Star (Should have Bronze Combat "V" Device, Verified via DD214)
Purple Heart (Should have two Gold Star devices for subsequent awards, Verified via DD214)
Combat Action Ribbon (Verified via DD214)
Presidential Unit Citation (Verified via DD215, worn above left pocket per Navy regs)
Navy Unit Commendation (Verified via DD215)
National Defense Service Medal (Verified via DD214)
Vietnam Service Medal(Verified via DD214, w/four bronze star devices verified via DD215)
Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation (Verified via DD215)
Republic of Vietnam Civil Actions Unit Citation (Verified via DD215)
Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal (Verified via DD215)



Comparing in order of precedence, The Air Force Outstanding Unit Award falls below Kerry's Navy Unit Commendation and above his National Defense Service Medal. All other award's of *'s fall between Kerry's Vietnam Service Medal and his Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation.

[arwalden]

10. Thank You Very Much, Walt....

That was very helpful and informative.

-- Allen

[Walt Starr]

11. It's soooo obvious to me why they are attacking Kerry's valor awards

It's because Dubya has almost nothing to show for his service other than awards basically for showing up, and based upon the record he doesn't even deserve those!

[jburton]

12. kick nt

[WI_DEM]

13. Looks like W was into the one long eyebrow thing