What is the crap about 527s who support Kerry spending 62 million

[loathesomeshrub]

on negative ads against Bush and Kerry not disavowing them?
Help me out please. I can't think of one negative Kerry ad anyway, especially not one that was composed of lies like the SBV, and just about every ad that Bush has put out has been a negative or attack ad. Also they bring up Move On's Hitler ad, which not only never aired, but also was one of the ads that someone other than the folks at Move On made up and they invited people to vote on.

[tandot]

1. I draw the line when these ads are spreading lies

about either Party. The SwiftVets for "truth" are certainly lying. They can NOT provide any proof for their allegations and they are connected to the Republican party.

There where somewhat negative ads against Bush. However, if you report on Bush's accomplishments, you really can't say anything positive. He screwed the country, started an unnecessary war, he takes money away from the poor to give it to his wealthy friends and rich corporations, his energy policies are destroying the environment, and he squandered the surplus and turned it into the biggest deficit ever. How can you say anything positive about that?

[rainy]

2. They are talking about the MoveOn.org ads....

They were running some during Super bowl etc.... These ads were good, not nasty and got a clear message across. They were anti-Bush of course but did not attack his character.

[loathesomeshrub]

4. Exactly. Which ads that were done by 527s said anything about

Bush that was worse than the Bush campaigns negative ads about Kerrey? Those took information out of context and made him sound horrible. What did our side do that was as bad? I don't know of any. Anyone?

[librechik]

6. Those ads are not personal attacks--SVT called Kerry a traitor!

the ads they speak of exist only in their imaginations.

[Eric J in MN]

7. Actually, CBS refused to let MoveOn air an ad during the

Super Bowl.

[Chili]

3. yep

...CNN just this morning suggested that Kerry ads by MoveOn.org were equal to the Swiftboat Liar ads. They are not. Not even close. A candidate is allowed to attack the opponents record; that's all MoveOn has done - they haven't told lies and made stuff up. I'm appalled that it even allowed to be said that they're equal. UGH!

And that's exactly what Bush and the Republicans want to do - equate them all so that MoveOn will be shut down... thereby effectively giving the Republicans a clear and impossible-to-match advantage in fundraising.

[loathesomeshrub]

5. That's why I am asking. This is a talking point being repeated by

every Bush thug on every talk show I have watched. We need to email everyone (Chris Matthews, Lou Dobbs, Olbermann, maybe even some of the whores) and tell them to ask these idiots what ads they are referring to specifically and see if they can come up with anything to compare, bearing in mind that the ad likening Bush to Hitler was never aired, and that it was not even done by the group itself but was a submission by an individual, and it was on their website in accordance with freedom of speech standards, only to be voted on by Move On members. And I know they are including the speeches given by Whoopi etc, who again were exercising their freedom of speech in the same manner that Rethigs like Ann Coulter, O'Reilley, Hannity and other public figures do for the other side, only not so much in private.

[DemMother]

8. I think they include issues ads...

Anything critical of Shrub--whether it's about the economy, Iraq, or his numerous other failures. If you point out any failings of Dear Leader, it's below the belt for those poor babies.

[loathesomeshrub]

9. We need to call them on it. If none of us can come up with an

untruthful, objectionable ad, then they need to be made to shut up. I am composing an email right now which I am going to send to everyone.
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The media is putting forward the Republican talking points again, without challenging the speakers. It has been mentioned over and over how the democratic supporting 527s have spent 62 million on negative ads about Bush and that Kerry never disavowed them. The next time you are speaking to a Bush spokesman, I would like you to ask them to give you an example of the specific ads that they are talking about.

And please, call them on the Hitler comparison ad if they bring it up, which they surely will. Remind them of the truth, that Moveon.org had a contest, an individual made the ad, and it was never aired on tv, but was put on their website in accordance with freedom of speech standards, only to be voted on by Move On members, which thanks to the controversy may not have happened. I know they will also mention the private (operative word) fundraiser, which was not aired to the public, when public figures like Mellencamp and Whoopi Goldberg spoke freely, again in accordance with their free speech rights. These people hardly said worse things in private (only made public by Republican spies and you the media) than people like Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter , O'Reilley, Scarborough, Limbaugh spew in public forums every day. They talked about the hatefest. On every conservative show and column every day and since Clinton was elected president and I started to take notice, these people host a hatefest, and spew lies.
The only ad that has been aired by a 527 that could be considered as even slightly comparable to the Swift bv ad is the latest moveon ad. There has been absolutely no ads done by Kerry/Edwars or the democratic 527s or the DNC that have been have as negative and misleading as any that have been run by the Bush/Cheney campaign, with their omissions and out of context words.
Until recently, no one has publically challenged Bush's attendance at the Alabama National Guard. Moveon did finally and I think that's a good thing. Why isn't the media questioning why there are no payroll records for a guardsman for so many months, who is now running as a wartime president? Ask yourself this question. Would you or I have been able to get away with that? Of course not. This is an important issue. If the media won't do it someone should.