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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:03 AM
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How could Dean let down Ellen Mariani, in her lawsuit vs Bush!
How could he let down Ellen Mariani, for her husband Louis Neil Mariani, and the other 3055 people who were murdered on 911.

How could he bring himself to do it?

http://www.911timeline.net/marianivsbush.htm

http://www.markarkleiman.com/archives/election_2004_/2004/01/should_the_democrats_be_describing_911_as_completely_unforseeable.php
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:10 AM
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1. to be fair, have any of the candidates offered her support? n/t
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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:07 AM
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7. they better start
Why is Dean singled out here, I don't know...
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:09 AM
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8. I think we ALL know why Dean was singled out here.
:eyes:
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:12 AM
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2. Uh...how did he let her down?
And what have the rest of the candidates done to prop her up?
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:14 AM
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3. Pay No Attention to thie LOADED Thread
The digging continues. This post came all the way from China.

Dean is the only one who has even mentioned her argument in public, and he got torn apart for it by the same people who ask, "Why did he forsake mariani?"

Useless drivel.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:25 AM
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4. actually, Dean is not the only one
<<No Exceptions: "The Bush Administration Owes America The Full Truth"
Little Rock--The Bush Administration is once again trying to stonewall the 9-11 Commission. Government sources told TIME Magazine today that National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice does not want to testify under oath or in public about the tragedy. >>

more at
http://clark04.com/press/release/141/

and I'm sure he took it to bush* yesterday about the failures of the administration on 9/11. Anyone have the transcript handy?

And Kerry has been pushing the issue as well.
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Hep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:51 AM
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21. Kerry has NOT been pushing the issue well
He took Dean to task for even suggesting that Bush had warning of the 9/11 attacks during the debate yesterday.
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:30 AM
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5. This one isn't making the Latest Discussion Threads....
it's sensitive, looks like Dean Supporters want it buried and fast!
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 10:42 AM
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6. Well, I'll bump your attack piece, just for you
Now if you wouldn't mind answering the question I posed above, that will serve to bump it to the top once again, and I might even get an answer to my question.

Thanks.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:10 AM
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9. How has General Clark helped her?
I'm all ears, and you have my undivided attention...
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:13 AM
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10. how have any of them helped her?
that's my question.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:15 AM
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11. Apparently none have.
I'm just curious about why the original poster singled out Gov. Dean for the tender mercy of his scrutiny here...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:20 AM
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12. Me, too. Curious, so I am kicking.
:kick:
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:22 AM
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13. Sorry, here ya go....
"There is no excuse for failing to fully cooperate with this independent, bipartisan commission. We need open government and new leadership that holds itself accountable for whatever goes wrong on its watch--especially when it involves a national tragedy like 9-11. The Bush Administration should be taking the lead in cooperating--not dragging its feet.

To build a stronger and better America, we must find out what more could have and should have been done to prevent 9-11. The Bush Administration owes us the full truth and nothing but the truth. Unfortunately, they seem to be giving the Commission nothing but a stonewall."

http://www.clark04.com/press/release/141/

Not only are they covering up what really happened they tried to pin it on Iraq without any evidence, immediately after the incident.

CLARK: "There was a concerted effort during the fall of 2001, starting immediately after 9/11, to pin 9/11 and the terrorism problem on Saddam Hussein."

RUSSERT: "By who? Who did that?"

CLARK: "Well, it came from the White House, it came from people around the White House. It came from all over. I got a call on 9/11. I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, 'You got to say this is connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to Saddam Hussein.' I said, 'But--I'm willing to say it, but what's your evidence?' And I never got any evidence." ---

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0306/S00320.htm

No there's something in the 911 investigation that the current Administration is trying to hide....

Dean saying 911 was unavoidable is doing nothing but making their case for them.

Want more... there's tons of info out there on this...including information on Bush's vacation intel briefs prior to 911. There was even a NewsWeek Article on it. Somebody dropped the ball on what is known as the "CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER".

IN THE NAVY THE COMMANDING OFFICER OF THE SHIP IS ALWAYS RESPONSIBLE AND AT FAULT WHEN THERE'S A MISHAP!

Tell Dean to stop playing Defensive JAG Officer for Bush's court-martial!
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:24 AM
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14. Why is Gov. Dean singled out?
What have CMB, Gephart, Kerry or Edwards, e.g., done to help? care to enlighten me?
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:43 AM
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18. Well, why is Gov. Dean being singled out here????
:shrug:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:59 AM
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22. Ahem! *cough, cough*
Does the question need to be put more plainly, or what? I'm waiting for the answer...
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 12:11 PM
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23. Well, read again...
"There is no excuse for failing to fully cooperate with this independent, bipartisan commission. We need open government and new leadership that holds itself accountable for whatever goes wrong on its watch--especially when it involves a national tragedy like 9-11. The Bush Administration should be taking the lead in cooperating--not dragging its feet.

To build a stronger and better America, we must find out what more could have and should have been done to prevent 9-11. The Bush Administration owes us the full truth and nothing but the truth. Unfortunately, they seem to be giving the Commission nothing but a stonewall."

http://www.clark04.com/press/release/141/

Not only are they covering up what really happened they tried to pin it on Iraq without any evidence, immediately after the incident.

CLARK: "There was a concerted effort during the fall of 2001, starting immediately after 9/11, to pin 9/11 and the terrorism problem on Saddam Hussein."

RUSSERT: "By who? Who did that?"

CLARK: "Well, it came from the White House, it came from people around the White House. It came from all over. I got a call on 9/11. I was on CNN, and I got a call at my home saying, 'You got to say this is connected. This is state-sponsored terrorism. This has to be connected to Saddam Hussein.' I said, 'But--I'm willing to say it, but what's your evidence?' And I never got any evidence." ---

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/WO0306/S00320.htm

No there's something in the 911 investigation that the current Administration is trying to hide....

Dean saying 911 was unavoidable is doing nothing but making their case for them.

Want more... there's tons of info out there on this...including information on Bush's vacation intel briefs prior to 911. There was even a NewsWeek Article on it. Somebody dropped the ball on what is known as the "CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER".

IN THE NAVY THE COMMANDING OFFICER OF THE SHIP IS ALWAYS RESPONSIBLE AND AT FAULT WHEN THERE'S A MISHAP!

Tell Dean to stop playing Defensive JAG Officer for Bush's court-martial!

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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 12:21 PM
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25. Read again: Why is DEAN being singled out?
Please enlighten us all what the Braun, Sharpton, Kerry, Edwards and Gephart, et al campaigns have done. Thank you.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 12:26 PM
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26. Sound of crickets chirping on a quiet summer night kick...
:eyes:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 12:41 PM
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27. Cricket-chirp kick #2.
LOL! :evilgrin:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 12:58 PM
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28. *crickets chirping*.... silence....
Just as I thought. Thanks for making my point so eloquently.:evilgrin:
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 12:12 PM
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24. Waiting for an answer kick....
... not that I expect one, frankly... :eyes:
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 01:49 PM
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29. No Dean smears from Drudge today so they made this goofy thing up...
...Out of whole cloth.

Kerry accused Dean of spreading "Internet rumors" on this topic yesterday

Which is it?

Is Dean unelectable because he spreads Internet rumors on 9/11, or

Is Dean unelectable because he doesn't spread Internet rumors on 9/11?

:crazy:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:39 AM
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17. Dean brought it out in public first. It took courage.
Shame on you. Everybody here at DU jumped all over him when he had the NRO interview.

Kick.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:29 AM
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15. All the candidates beware: commish head says 9/11 preventable
They'd better get with the f***ing program! I think Kerry looked like a TOTAL FOOL criticising Dean yesterday about his 9/11 remarks. Kerry proves only that he is pathetically uninformed and cowardly.

snip

"Kean Says 9/11 Attacks Could Have Been Prevented

By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 19, 2003; Page A25


The chairman of the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks said he believes that the strikes could have been prevented, a claim that President Bush's spokesman rejected yesterday.

In an interview with CBS News broadcast Wednesday night, Tom Kean, the former Republican governor of New Jersey who was chosen by Bush to head the panel, said the attacks could have been avoided. "I do not believe it had to happen," he said in the interview.

Asked whether people should have been fired, he replied: "There were people certainly, if I was doing the job, who would certainly not be in the position that they were in at that time, because they failed. They simply failed."

snip

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A13300-2003Dec18¬Found=true
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:38 AM
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16. Kean backed off those statements, sort of.
:hi:
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:46 AM
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19. Like Humpty Dumpty--He was pushed n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-05-04 11:47 AM
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20. Dean's Oct. statement about 9/11. This should help you.
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=10125

October 27, 2003

CONTACT: Press Office, 802-651-3200

GOVERNOR DEAN CALLS ON PRESIDENT BUSH TO STOP STONEWALLING 9/11 COMMISSION

DES MOINES -- Democratic presidential candidate Governor Howard Dean, M.D. issued the following statement in response to reports that the bipartisan 9/11 commission could soon be forced to issue subpoenas to the White House and other executive branch agencies because of continuing delays by the Bush administration in providing documents and other evidence needed by the panel.

"I am very concerned by the President's foot dragging on cooperation with the bi-partisan 9/11 commission. We already know that President Bush received a written intelligence report in August 2001, the month before the attacks that Al Qaeda might try to hijack American passenger planes. The Administration's current stonewalling suggests that there is more that they knew and want to hide from the American public.

"The work that this commission is performing is critical to our national security. We need to know what transpired before the tragedy of 9/11 in order to avoid future similar tragedies. If the bipartisan commission investigating the terrorist attacks says that it needs the documents the Administration is withholding, then the President has an obligation to the American people to turn them over immediately.

"An issue this important to our national security should trump whatever concerns about political embarrassment the Administration might have."
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