Earlier, Thom Hartmann quoted BronxBoy's Monday posting about The New Yorker cover

[eleny]

He was quoting snippets appropriate for radio.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3618331&mesg_id=3618331

Hartmann asserted that the cover wasn't good satire because they didn't provide a context for the images. Context such as the cover images weren't in some wingers thoughts or as part of a FoxNews program.

I can't recall if Hartmann gave props as my ears only perked up when I heard phrases I recognized as being from BB's posting of yesterday. He probably did.

[ellacott]

1. I'm also listening to him

He frequently cites this board on his show.

I agree with his assessment of the cover. I also think it's a caricature and not a satire.

[eleny]

3. I've noticed, too, that he quotes the board

Lots of good posts here - including Bronx Boy's thoughts.

Thanks for your reply!

[ellacott]

6. I like Bronx Boy's posts

Always very thoughtful and intelligent.

[BronxBoy]

26. Thank You Ella!

How have you been doing?

[OwnedByFerrets]

12. Many of the folks that frequent his chatroom are

DUers. I am one of them.:)

[ellacott]

19. I signed up on his site a few years ago

I think I'll visit there more often.

[Lorien]

2. Wait for it...

any moment now you'll get a half dozen posts asserting that Hartmann, like the Obama campaign, is unsophisticated and obtuse because he doesn't get the brilliant, nuanced humor of that absolutely sublime piece of satire.

[Skidmore]

4. Yeah, I strongly suspect some of those posters are

the likes of Fineman, Matthews, Scarborough, Blitzer, and a few other media "intellectuals" trying to justify their existence.

[EstimatedProphet]

10. You caught me! I'm a Republican mole!

I must be, because I got the joke! How can I be a real liberal if I got it?!?

[ellacott]

5. Yes, they'll tell us we're stupid

and we don't "get it".

[EstimatedProphet]

9. No, just humorless

[eleny]

15. I am not! Errm... I am humorfull! errm....

Well.... I Yam!

Pretty darn sure, anyway.

No?! :cry:

[ellacott]

18. Folks like you continue, but you're so off

THAT'S funny.

[eleny]

7. That's okay

I firmly believe that they made a mistake.

BronxBoy hit the nail on the head yesterday. And Hartmann crystallized for me exactly why the cover made me so uncomfortable. It was an unfinished piece of work. Even The New Yorker can fail once.

[ellacott]

8. So very true

Some people are taking the criticism too personally. I still like the New Yorker but, as you said, they made a mistake on this one.

Harmtann it for me also crystallized it for me too. It was a caricature not satire. The people being satirized weren't on the cover. It was an incomplete work.

[eleny]

11. I used to read the magazine all the time when I lived in NY

Great articles, movie listings for art movie houses and the terrific cartoons. It's one of a kind.

[OwnedByFerrets]

13. And, like I stated in another post on this subject......

I trust Thom 1000 times more than 99.9% of the posters on this website. If Thom says its not satire, then its not satire.

[EstimatedProphet]

14. You mean you were serious?

:rofl:

[OwnedByFerrets]

20. No clue what your post means.....

Am I serious that Thom Hartman is smarter and more trustworthy than almost all of the posters on DU?? Then YES, I am very serious. Including YOU.

[EstimatedProphet]

21. What it means...

is that it is hysterically funny that someone needs thom Hartmann to understand the concept of satire.

[OwnedByFerrets]

22. If that is all you took from my post, then you proved my point

indubitably.

[EstimatedProphet]

23. I didn't say that it was all I took from it.

[tishaLA]

16. to use an example someone cited yesterday

Swift's "A Modest Proposal," which argued that the cure for the Irish famines was, naturally, to cannibalize Irish kids (he thought it would improve bacon considerably) was met with howls of execration by people who took his satire seriously. Swift didn't "contextualize" this by writing, "I am writing this as an idiotic Englishman"; instead, he inhabited the subject-position of a concerned British citizen who sincerely wanted to *help* the Irish.

British literary scholars now regard "A Modest Proposal" as one of the high points of satire in the 18th century--and in the canon of British literature--precisely because of its oozing sincerity and lack of "context."

[eleny]

17. "British literary scholars now regard"

As it happened with Swift, The New Yorker will have to wait for future generations to fully appreciate their attempt at satire.

[IndyOp]

24. Thom usually does give props to poster - he thinks the Netroots are democracy in

action and he likes to encourage people to participate meaningfully. He's read DU posts on the air before and gave props to the poster.

:hi:

[BronxBoy]

25. Thank you so much

Props aren't important to me. Ideas are.

Just glad you liked the post. That one was a little over the top for me!

:D

[BronxBoy]

27. I put that second post there from bronx's daddy

because so many people were accusing me of not knowing what satire was all about while totally missing the point I was trying to make.

But they were righteous in their indignation weren't they.

And we had a bit of fun