Website devoted to debunking Swift Boat liars

[Windy]

http://swiftvets.eriposte.com/

Its about time!

[wryter2000]

1. Whoo-hoo

Adding it to my favorites.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

2. I think that's the most comprehensive one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=645343

[karlrschneider]

3. great

:kick:

[Joefess]

4. Great site, but...

That looks like a great site but this whole SBV thing has gone to far. The dems need to call bullshit on all the accusations fast and move back to the topics of Iraq, Iraq, and little thing called Iraq. Everyone is falling for the diversion... Hook, line, and sinker.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

6. Like this?

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/releases/pr_2004_0822.html
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/console.php?video=082204_issues

[Joefess]

8. That's a small start but too tame...

That's a SMALL start but too tame, the kerry campaign need to take the gloves off and do nothing but mention the mess of Iraq at every moment the can. They are basically letting Bush and Co. off scot-free on the Iraq/WMD issue.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

10. Did you not watch it or something?

If you did watch it, why are you pretending it didn't bring up Iraq?

[Joefess]

13. lol

Yes I've watch both new ads that are dated the 21st. The one labeled issues brings up Iraq once and only says that there are troops are in Iraq and bush is concerned with other issues. I don't see how that is getting tuff on Iraq. My definition of getting tuff on Iraq is bringing up the mess at EVERY single opportunity, no wmd, stop loss orders, etc... It's the biggest war mess ever.

They are to soft on Iraq, especially after Kerry said he would have still voted the way he did.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

15. So unless the only thing talked about is Iraq, in the way you want

it talked about, you're not happy?

[Joefess]

16. If kerry doesn't talk hard about Iraq...

If Kerry doesn't talk hard about Iraq or at least at the levels he was before he took the nomination he is just playing into what Bush and Co. want. For him NOT to talk about Iraq. But right now people are more concerned with the quagmire of 30+ years ago the our present quagmire. Kerry says he wouldn't change a thing with his vote and Tad on meet the press this morning said Kerry would have still went in even with no WMD. Pretty sad.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

20. Your post is untrue.

Tad on meet the press this morning said Kerry would have still went in even with no WMD.

Your statement is false. I just watched the repeat on CNBC and your statement is untrue. Tad did not say that.

[Joefess]

23. How so??

Tad said Kerry would have voted the same and would have still went in Iraq for regime change. So with no WMD there then there is no reason to be in Iraq IMHO. Biggest mistake the US has ever made and Kerry is being soft on the issue. I think almost anyone could win on the issue of Iraq alone, if they are tough about it. Read the transcript below...





Transcript from the meet the press aug 22nd ***

MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Devine, isn't part of the problem this: "Knowing then what he knows today about the lack of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,"--John--"Kerry still would have voted to authorize the war and `in all probability' would have launched a military attack to oust Hussein by now if he were president, Kerry national security adviser Jamie Rubin said in an interview."

Is there any difference in position?

MR. DEVINE: Tim, John Kerry does not regret his vote to authorize the use of force in Iraq. What he deeply regrets is what the president did with that authority. The president rushed to war without a plan to win the peace. And today American troops and American taxpayers are baring the burden almost alone because of the president's mistakes.

MR. RUSSERT: But Jamie Rubin said in all probability John Kerry would have launched a military attack.

MR. DEVINE: Tim, again, the authorization was the right vote, it was the right choice. In fact, in 1998, John Kerry supported regime change in Iraq. And the fact of the matter is that this president said he would go to the United Nations, exhaust every remedy, build a broad international coalition. He failed to do so and the result of that president's failures is what's going on today in Iraq. It is a huge problem being paid for by American taxpayers and American troops.

MR. RUSSERT: But why launch an attack if there were no weapons of mass destruction?

MR. DEVINE: Well, Tim, listen, it's a--you know, hypothetical is always impossible to deal with. I mean, the fact--this is the reality. We can deal with the reality. Saddam Hussein needed to be held accountable. There was a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it. Every step along the way—once the president got that authority, he chose the wrong course. And today, as a result of that choice, of the president and the vice president, the decisions they made, American taxpayers are footing a bill of $200 billion in Iraq. John Kerry has said there is a way to win the war on terror, to be tough and smart to do it, and that we shouldn't be opening firehouses in Baghdad and closing them down here in America.

MR. RUSSERT: But if he voted to authorize the war and his foreign policy advisers said he would have launched an attack on Saddam, what's the difference between John Kerry's position and George Bush's?

MR. DEVINE: Well, listen, the president--the difference is the president made mistake after mistake in this country and our troops are paying for it today. John Kerry would never have pursued the course of action that the president of the United States has pursued. John Kerry would have built a true international coalition to shoulder the burden with America. He would have put it together the right way. Unfortunately, the president has cost this nation with his costly mistakes and we're paying the price every day.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

24. It's pretty simple -your statement was false, and your attempt to obscure

that fact won't work.

Your statement:
Tad on meet the press this morning said Kerry would have still went in even with no WMD.

The transcript you provided proves that, in fact, Devine did not say what you claim he said. You have proven that you made a false statement.

Thank you.

[Joefess]

26. LOL

Ok let's go over this. Facts: There is NO WMD in Iraq. Kerry and CO. says he would have kept his vote the same and this (read below) comes from Jamie Rubin. Sorry I didn't remember the show word for word, the transcript doesn't lie. If it comes from Jamie Rubin, it comes from the Kerry camp.



MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Devine, isn't part of the problem this: "Knowing then what he knows today about the lack of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq,"--John--"Kerry still would have voted to authorize the war and `in all probability' would have launched a military attack to oust Hussein by now if he were president, Kerry national security adviser Jamie Rubin said in an interview."

[Feanorcurufinwe]

27. The fact is, your statement was false.

You made a false statement, you attempted to obscure that fact, and still won't admit it.


For me, the main point here is the ability to kick a thread that highlights this link: http://swiftvets.eriposte.com

[Joefess]

29. :rolleyes:

Kerry: Soft on Iraq

[Feanorcurufinwe]

30. You still haven't retracted your false statement.

I came here to kick the thread, and you gave me the perfect place to do it, thanks.

[Cronus Protagonist]

5. Thanks for the link - linked it off my web site

Top link.

Swiftboat Veterans for Bush
Fascism in America
Bush Resume

SHOVE IT! - Drop Bush Not Bombs! - Hero Kerry AWOL Bush
http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13

[the Kelly Gang]

7. thanks

[Southern Patriot]

9. Thanks for the tip but..

this is a losing issue for Kerry.

It's a distraction. He needs to put it to bed and get back to campaign issues.

[KittyWampus]

11. HAHA! Nice One! You Guys A Riot!

[Joanne98]

12. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

fighting back is just awful. It will back-fire and make us look bad.........

[Sparkly]

17. Yeah right. He risked his life fighting in Vietnam, but...

he should back down now because George W. Bush is gonna stare him down??

I DON'T THINK SO!!!

[Southern Patriot]

21. I didn't say "back down."

I meant put an end to it because it threatens to overwhelm his message.

Bush will hypocritically take the "high road" and the public perception will be that Kerry is carrying on about his record. The Rightwing Noise Machine will sow enough misinfo and disinfo to muddy the water. Undecided voters will get a hint of doubt about Kerry. That could be deadly.

Kerry has done what he personally must do. Now his surrogates need to move to quash the controversy--- hopefully dramatically dispelling any lnigering doubts.

And, unless investigators can come up with damning evidence that a third grader could grasp about Bush's National Guard duty, we should steer away from it as an issue.

Kerry needs to convince undecideds that (1) Bush's policies stink and (2) Kerry would be better. 'Nam doesn't have anything to do with either of those aims.

[mzmolly]

19. Scuse me? Kerry didn't bring these LIES to the media, the LIARS for Bush

did.

AWOL Bush needs to "put it to bed" not John Kerry who served his country with honor.

[Southern Patriot]

22. Bush will NEVER stop the attacks unless he thinks that they're

not working.

"Working" can be defined different ways. Is it distracting supporters, the campaign and Kerry himself from focusing on winning? Is it taking valuable time away from a message that might resonate better with undecided voters--- like insurance or stem cell research? Is it taking time and energy away from attacking Bush's corruptness or failed policies?

Bush will ONLY call off the attack dogs if he thinks that it's harming his campaign or that it's become ineffective. Short of some dramatic and highly unlikely linkage evidence public opinion will NOT force Bush to quash the smear.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

28. Actually I don't think it matters whether it's working or not

Bush is too weak to actually influence how his campaign is run.

[featherman]

14. great site

link should be emailed daily to all media channels. (Of course CNN's idea of "journalism" and "research" is to wait breathlessly for the next fax of talking points from the RNC)

[mzmolly]

18. Wow, it's ALL HERE! Thanks to you and the folks who run the site!

:toast:

[Career Prole]

25. Thanks, Windy! n/t