OK, what are the military service records Sen. Kerry hasn't released yet?

[0rganism]

I was under the impression that he put 'em all on his website. The GOP whores keep spouting that he hasn't released them all. WTF? What's missing? Or if nothing's missing, are they just going to pretend something is missing and whine ad nauseum just like they did for Saddam's Nonexistent Weapons of Mass Destruction?

[freetobegay]

1. I think Kerry should only release what Bush releases!

The the records fall where they may.

[0rganism]

14. Too late -- I think Kerry's already put out more than W

and half of what Dubya did release looks like it's been eaten by dogs or cockroaches or something.

[nomatrix]

19. What?

His dental records in Alabama?

[A_Possum]

2. LOL

"Or if nothing's missing, are they just going to pretend something is missing and whine ad nauseum just like they did for Saddam's Nonexistent Weapons of Mass Destruction?"

[democrat in Tallahassee]

3. the washington post said that there were some diaries and

things that Kerry had written that his biographer, Brinkley, hold the rights to and Kerry doesn't have the legal right to them anymore. (I think it said that Brinkley held the rights)

[Feanorcurufinwe]

8. Diaries aren't military records.

[nosmokes]

4. looks to be a pretty complete record avalable here:

there's good stuff avaliable about the cambodia and the sbvft bs there, too.

[Pirate Smile]

5. I'd like to see him use it to get all of *'s records out as well.

He should say he has no problem putting all his records out - like he said, if the President wants to debate our military records during Vietnam "Bring it on". He should say he will release everything when Shrub releases everything. Put the only hold up on releasing them on Shrub and turn it around to Chimpy's record.

I know both have release most. I know * hasn't released his DD214 and some other stuff. I'm not sure what Kerry hasn't released.

[kestrel91316]

6. Betcha I know why Bush hasn't released his DD214...........

I bet anything it shows something other than an honorable discharge.............just thinkin' here...........

[Pirate Smile]

7. Yep, lets turn this BS around on Chimpy.

[unslinkychild1]

23. dd214s

shrub won't release them; he CAN'T release them--here's why:

I worked for ODVA--Oregon Dept. of Veterans' Affairs--for FIVE years in the WORD PROCESSING Center. This is what I learned:

We used to have to process THOUSANDS of these bastards (dd214's) every month, and they were gawdawful boring). Everyone there had to do them, and it was like a form letter thingie, but you had to look at the--literally--bottom line. The discharge thingie. If it said Dishonorable, Other than Honorable, or General, you had to refer back up to another line--and here is the reason--why was So-and-so discharged? Seems it was like line 16b or something. That gave the reason for discharge.

The fuck ups were general discharges--they were too fat or couldn't do however many push ups (failed PT test, weight exceeds allowance, etc.), DUI, bad piss test or whatever--depending on your commander, of course; just general unfit for duty type things.

HONORABLE: Met ETS with general fuck-up qualities (you were a shitty soldier, but they couldn't pin anything on you). OR you were a great soldier and met all requirements (it's the 16b thingie--that's your huckleberry--not actually sure of which line, but look for "reason for discharge" line at about 2/3 down). Oh, btw, FAGS were given honorable or general discharge with 16b stating "confessed homosexual" or some shit like that------NOT DISHONORABLE, and no offense to homosexuals, I just couldn't resist the lingo. My high-school girlfriend was a GUY who liked to dress like a girl, borrowed my shit, and was in desperate need of nail polish remover one Monday morning after a wild weekend.) In the end, he hated the military, and cashed out on queerness after halfway through basic training. No probs there--I knew he was queer from the get-go (he didn't hide it ) and that the military wouldn't be kind to someone so obvious. I knew also that I had made a mistake after about a week, but kept with it for 2 yrs., 8 months and cashed out on family hardship--HONORABLE.

Other than Honorable were worse fuck ups, lazy, druggies, alcohol probs, maybe some AWOL issues, that kind of thing, but they didn't want to give you TOO bad a rap.

DISHONORABLE--complete fuck up--major drug issues, armed robbery, rape, etc. It seemed kind of, err... problematic, for you to be DISHONORABLY discharged. I mean, you REALLY HAD TO SCREW UP MAJOR.

HONORABLE: Hey, I got one of those, and I got out like eight months early! Family hardship, if you didn't fuck up too bad--and I WAS a lazy ass in the military--and put in your time. HELL, I even got the medal/award thingie, just for, basically, not fucking up too badly.

One more thing--try contacting bunnypants' COUNTY in Texas AND Alabama BECAUSE WE in Oregon had to send a copy to the county veterans' service officer for which the duty was served EVERY FUCKING TIME ANY CUNT GOT "DISCHARGED", meaning released from active duty--that means EVERY FUCKING WEEKEND the guy served--for reserve and nat. gd. (did I mention we got stacks of THOUSANDS of these bastard dd214's a month?) Usually said something like, end EAS (estimated active service? I don't remember anymore).

Can someone post a real live dd214 so I can show what I'm talking about? I think the mice ate mine and I'm too lazy to plow through the attic to find it. A blank one, or a blanked out one will do, one for NG one for RA, and one for RAR--I just need the actual form to bring back all those horrid memories. And I am a VET, that's why they gave ME the dd214s--I could UNDERSTAND them.

HAVE I MENTIONED DD214 PROCESSING IS BORING AS THE GRAVE?????????????? BLEHHHHHHHHH!

Anyway, if you're looking for records, there's my two cents.

[Pirate Smile]

24. Thanks for the info. What a joy to love a job so much.

:evilgrin:

[Southern Patriot]

9. Apparently they're maintaining that he's yet to release his

medical records. The medical record on JohnKerry.com are an interpretation (or something like that) by Kerry's doctor.

The 'Pugs want people to think that the med records will disclose the "minor" nature of his wounds.

I find it bordering on the bizarre that the little we know about Bush's military service would, on the face of it, show Bush to be a draft "avoider" at the best. Yet, Sen. Kerry is getting slagged.

Go figger.

[0rganism]

11. So the medical records at Kerry's site are not complete? Interesting

I did look at the Personnel Casualty Report, which apparently has multiple documents pertaining to more than one incident. So there should be more stuff? What other records would one expect? Did the hospitals keep a more detailed file, separate from the main personnel record?

Personnel Casualty Report

[Southern Patriot]

16. Mea Culpa

I missed those documents.

Then I have no idea what the bozos are yapping about.

[DoYouEverWonder]

21. Maybe Kerry should drop his pants

and show them his 'medical' records?

[Karenina]

10. stop it. Stop It. STOP IT!!!

First find me ONE HUMAN BEING (even after a $10,000 reward offered by G.T.) who will step forward and pinpoint *dauphin's whereabouts during the time in question. Where the HELL is that James R. Bath feller, anyway???

[0rganism]

12. Mellow. I'm just trying to sort out the substance of the accusation

Bush's military record is obviously not a bragging point, so they're attacking Kerry's in an attempt to make it look just as lousy. Might as well figure out the details along the way.

[Karenina]

15. Oh, I know...

and that attention to detail IS so important to rebuke the DUMB. But at the same time when one looks at the big picture from a distance, it's like :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

Please do this old Auntie a favor and let her know you realize how SICK and AUSGEFICKENFLIPPT this debacle is. So many of my generation are now being forced to RE-LIVE the horrors they tried to put behind them to get on with their lives. ALL to protect a *pansy prince who couldn't even bother himself to SHOW UP in a sandbox. Can you feel how ANGRY I am???

[Pirate Smile]

17. I'm with you in the anger. I'm feeling nauseous with disgust about

this SwiftVet crap, especially now that so many others who were in Vietnam with Kerry have come out in letters to the editor and in the Chicago Tribune editor's article backing up Kerry but they aren't getting the attention they should.

These are people that don't want to come out and don't want to discuss it but the liars have no shame.

This was how I felt in April when Iraq was exploding and I was so pissed I could hardly talk to anyone who I knew voted for * without wanting to scream at them.

I hate this feeling.

[TexasProgresive]

13. "Undeleted" DD-214

This document shows transfers etc. I really want to see Dumbya's. If he's not lying (fat chance) it would show an honorable discharged from the 111th Fighter group at Ellington AFB with acceptance by the Alabama ANG unit, later an honorable discharge from the AANG with acceptance but the 111th at Ellington.

At least that how mine reads. I was in the 147th Camron at Ellington same as Dumbya in the same time period. I transfered to the Delaware ANG at Wilmington and back to the 147th. I was an unprivileged enlisted man so maybe it's different for the Champaign drinkers of the TANG.

[0rganism]

18. What would be the potential hang-up with releasing an unabridged DD214?

Given that Sen. Kerry already has documents related to his various transfers up on the military records part of his site, much of it could be redundant. But still, there'd be no reason to hide it, right?

Assume it's all in order, would there be any kind of special paperwork or legwork required to get the "unabridged" version? Is it a major PITA compared to releasing the readers' digest DD214?

[TexasProgresive]

22. Took me a week to get mine-recently. n/t

[0rganism]

20. Here's one thing I found incomplete, for whatever reason

It has to do with the first Purple Heart, which was issued on Feb. 28 1969. The injury incident for which Sen. Kerry receives this medal is not written up in his Personnel Casualty Report or described as such in the Combat Reports, although Kerry's timeline notest that it happened on Dec. 2, 1969.

The other two injury incidents are easier to figure out. The second one is Feb. 20, in Dam Doi, and the Purple Heart is issued on March 5. The third one is Mar. 13, in Dong Cung, and the Purple Heart is issued on April 17.

The first one is the one I can't figure out.

[TheRovingGourmet]

25. Is it the first medal that has been causing all the fuss? The

detail for the other two is out already, right? Military forms are confusing, to say the least.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

26. Just as the WMDs didn't exist, the records he hasn't released don't exist

It's a lie, and as you can see, if they repeat it enough, even Democrats will start to wonder if, 'maybe it's true'.

[mememe]

27. Here's your answer

Look at for a lot of detail on the whole controversy. However; a key paragraph is this:

"Although Kerry campaign officials insist that they have published Kerry's full military records on their Web site (with the exception of medical records shown briefly to reporters earlier this year), they have not permitted independent access to his original Navy records. A Freedom of Information Act request by The Post for Kerry's records produced six pages of information. A spokesman for the Navy Personnel Command, Mike McClellan, said he was not authorized to release the full file, which consists of at least a hundred pages."

I think a fair-minded person would say that 6 out of 100 pages is not complete disclosure.

[TheRovingGourmet]

29. I think he will release the rest of his records when the momentum

has built enough and it will be just a bunch of boring crap.

[mememe]

28. another answer

From the Boston Globe: <www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2004/04/24/kerrys_thigh_has_shrapnel_records_show/>


Excerpts:

"The Kerry campaign removed a 20-page batch of documents yesterday from its website after The Boston Globe quoted a Navy officer who said the documents wrongly portrayed Kerry's service. Edward Peck had said he -- not Kerry -- was the skipper of Navy boat No. 94 at a time when the Kerry campaign website credited the senator with serving on the boat. The website had described Kerry's boat as being hit by rockets and said a crewmate was injured in an attack. But Peck said those events happened when he was the skipper. The campaign did not respond to a request to explain why the records were removed."

and:

"Nearly a year ago, the Kerry campaign said it would not provide the senator's military medical records, saying Kerry would not cross what he considered to be a line of privacy. Kerry said Sunday that his military records were available and invited inspection of them at campaign headquarters. But the campaign reversed course Monday, saying no new records would be released. Following GOP criticism, the campaign has been releasing records since Tuesday."