After TWO stolen Presidential elections, why would ANYONE ask why the polls are close????

[debbierlus]

It isn't complicated. THEY ARE A BUNCH OF CHEATERS.

They own the corporate media.

These polls are KNOWN to be BS. They don't provide accurate data.

BUT, they do provide a good cover of a 'close' race for cheating and stealing.

[Avalux]

1. Thank you. I can't believe anyone would trust polls.

And if people are gullible to think they won't try to steal it again they're wrong. If they keep telling us it's a close race and presenting 'evidence' to prove it; makes it that much easier to steal.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

22. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

I have been saying this for years and my friends and family think I'm crazy.

The media is supporting Obama now, but come mid-September the tide will turn.

...That, or Hillary will be Obama's VP and then our corporate owned and controlled media will support Ms. NAFTA.

[TheDebbieDee]

24. You Hill-bashers CAN'T give it up, can you?

The media was no friend to Hillary during her campaign for the nomination and I'd be willing to bet that if she was selected as the VP nom, the media would tout her as the next Cheney!

Stop trying to re-write recent history by purporting that Hillary would be the media darling if she gets the VP slot.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

31. Up until Hillary and "sniper-gate", the media would "pick on" Hillary for ...

...crazy things like a low cut blouse, or her lack of warmth. They never spoke about her policy blunders. They victimized her in a way that would make any person want to come to her rescue.

[liberalmuse]

2. I just got done looking at the polls...

There's no way Americans can be this dumb. No way. Then again...I've been wrong so many times before when overestimating the intelligence of our fellow citizens. It's so incredibly clear who is the better man here. I just don't get why Obama is not 20 points ahead or more. It does not compute. You don't have to be a genius NOT to want to live amongst people this stupid! (breathe...breathe...it will be okay...breathe...you're real close to Canada...)

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

3. K&R You would think this is rather self evident, but apparently still not for some.

[TheDebbieDee]

4. GMTA! Phuck what the polls say. Just show up to vote in

November and don't accept a loss as an outcome!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

23. providing they don't switch your votes?

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. Seriously. And there are still people who somehow think that voter turnout makes a difference in

whether or not they can cheat and "win".

[glitch]

6. They estimate the margins required for their cheat. They aren't quite sophisticated enought to cheat

on the fly. So, turnout matters. Especially overwhelming turnout.

When you cheat on the margins (a bush specialty btw), the margins actually do matter.
And because margins matter, turnout matters.

[LynneSin]

7. Here's why I don't trust the polls

#1) I see Obama stuff EVERYWHERE. I've seen 2 McCain stickers and one was on the back of an SUV from Florida (I live in Delaware)

#2) Driving to my parents house I drove thru Central PA/Amish Country which is usually a stronghold for republicans. I saw more Obama campaign signs on front lawns than McCain. Hell I saw more Ron Paul signs on the lawn than McCain PLUS the one house I pass with the 10 commandments had 2 Obama signs on their lawn.

I don't trust the polls

[Jim Lane]

9. The polls do indicate that Obama is WAY ahead in supporters' enthusiasm

Enthusiasm affects the comparative number of lawn signs and bumper stickers but has less impact on the vote. It matters where the weather is terrible or there's some similar factor. As long as people vote, you can have 148 people who grudgingly decide that McCain is a little less bad than Obama, and 146 people who think Obama will be a great President and McCain is a joke, and McCain has won that precinct.

[LynneSin]

14. I realize that but

I have also driven that same route to Central PA and seen it loaded with republican candidates. I mean geez - Ron Paul? And the house with the 10 Commandments on the front lawn. It's not the enthusiam - it's the media manipulating us with polls that tell us perhaps this is a tight race. They can't steal this election if they have Obama too far ahead because it would be too fricking obvious.

[cliffordu]

8. I believe they steal elections as a matter of course. They will try to steal this one, too.

[PurityOfEssence]

10. Considering the level of "ignore" around here, I'm surprised anyone even NOTICED the polls are close

What if they're right? What if Obama hasn't wowed everyone like so many think is inevitable?

With all the voicing of amazement that anyone could not detest McCain, doesn't it sort of follow that the numbers might not be as expected?

The sheer incredulity at the "different" mind precludes being much of a judge of it, doesn't it?

[anonymous171]

11. Like with Hillary, Obama needs to be smacked back into his senses

A sharp decrease in his numbers will force Obama to go negative and cripple McCain's campaign. That's my take, anyway.

[intheflow]

21. If McCain really had these numbers.

don't you think he'd be able to get more than 50 people together in a room to hear him speak? I mean, I know Obama supporters are enthusiastic, but there is no evidence anywhere that McCain is inspiring people even close to the same rate as is Obama. No evidence anywhere except polls which can manipulated.

[World Citizen]

30. It's OK to ignore the polls if....

you assume that we are behind by 15 points and do everything in your power to overcome that.

[PurityOfEssence]

32. Yes, I'm actually a fan of constructive delusion like that, and it can sometimes work

The blind faith I'm seeing around here is just excruciating: regardless how fulfilled and blissfully enrapt so many people are with this man and his every waking action, some of the rest of us--longtime, non-extremist liberals--are redlining in the disgust zone and have been for some time.

Not only is this election probably as close as the polls indicate, it's not the least bit puzzling to me why people would have serious problems with Obama as a person, his policies and certain of his supporters. Incredulity in the face of this seems to me to be nothing more than obliviousness, and the "cult" aspect of it is reminiscent of many other follies I've seen friends and acquaintances indulge in over the decades.

I remember like yesterday an incident 25 years ago where a friend and neighbor turned up one day dressed in bright red and already divesting himself of worldly ties to go off and live with the idiot Bagwan in Oregon. There was no talking to him, and that was that. Same feeling.

The constructive delusion of which you speak can be a great motivator, and that's the antithesis of the swooning inevitability of those who simply can't imagine why anyone would not fall in behind the current hero. I travel in many circles, and my work has me in contact with many people of very different backgrounds. Times are really interesting now, and much as conservative and moderate people are quite thrilled by Obama, a surprising number of moderate and left Democrats have major problems with the guy and some very nice things to say about McCain.

This place has changed, and not for the better.

Having seen a few fads in my day, I'm attuned to the phenomena. With any luck, Obama can keep up the pressure and keep getting away with his standard tactics; if not, he's going to be very disillusioning to some of the people he sorely needs.

[Frank Booth]

12. I think most of the polls are honest .

I don't see any reason to doubt the credibility of Quinnipiac University, for example.

I also think there's no question the American media is actively trying to tamp down enthusiasm for Obama and prop up McCain. I think the poll results are a direct result of the overwhelmingly positive coverage of McCain, and relatively negative coverage of Obama.

Most Americans learn about the candidates through tv ads and what they see when they flip on the news or CNN. They don't read DU or any other website that focuses on politics.

So, I think the pollsters are correct when they say that this country is about evenly split right now. If only informed people were polled, then Obama would have a huge advantage, but most Americans don't care to be well-informed.

[onenote]

15. exactly -- and the Obama campaign knows it

good grief. campaigns commission their own polls and those polls tend not to differ that much from the news media polls.

There is huge gap between the candidates in terms of enthusiasm. But the electorate in this country is and will remain more closely divided than many DUers seem willing or able to comprehend.

Which is why we cannot assume an Obama victory, we have to work -- and work hard -- to make it happen.

[KillCapitalism]

13. I don't get it either based on yard signs.

In 2000 and 2004 Bush yard signs were everywhere (I live in an extremely red area).

I have seen exactly one McCain sign in someone's yard. Who knows, maybe people in the neighborhood will still vote McCain, but just don't want anyone to know. :rofl:

[Just-plain-Kathy]

29. This past Fourth of July I had friends and family over...

...and A LOT of them are planning to vote for McCain, -they like the way "he crosses party lines".

I have one cousin with two kids (both of draft age) who are all voting for McCain, they *think* he's a "war hero". I asked my cousin if he's willing to enlist his children to fight McCain's war with Iran. ...His wife cracked up and said they "had a plan", if there were a draft, -they're all moving to Canada.

I thought I was going to loss it. I told them that their kids should go before mine. They didn't like that to much, and I was disappointed in myself for getting so mad at a guest.

There are a lot of bigots out there. My brother who lives in the Bronx told me that he was going to vote for Obama, but he could never admit it to his white friends on Morris Park.

I grew up in the Bronx during the seventies. We had Kill Whitie Days and Kill Blackie Days, (all while ducking the Son of Sam).

We white people have to show our white friends and neighbors our support for Obama.

[Bonn1997]

16. What will Obama do if/when Diebold steals another election?

Will he pull a John Kerry? That's what I want to know.

[blm]

25. Direct your attention appropriately. Dean is DNC chair looking out for Obama and Dems

the last 4yrs. Terry 'Hillary2008" McAuliffe had NO interest in Dems winning in 2004 and sat on his hands for the four years after 2000s theft.

[elehhhhna]

17. POLL FRUAD MUST PRECEDE VOTE FRAUD

[Bonn1997]

18. I just hope the Obama team

has an intelligent plan about what to do if/when the election is stolen.

[AzDar]

19. Ayup.

:mad:

[intheflow]

20. No shit.

The polls are totally bogus. I live in Colorado and have only seen two McSame lawn signs, while there are Obama lawn signs, bumper stickers and t-shirts all over. Hell, I still see more HRC lawn signs and even Kerry-Edwards bumper stickers that I see support for McLame. Yet somehow I'm supposed to believe that McInsane is leading Obama? Unless they only took samples from Fort Carson and the AF Academy, there is no.fucking.way those numbers are true.

[slackmaster]

26. The reason the polls are always close is to create news

If they aren't close, there is no news.

[Zynx]

27. If there's poll fraud it is rather hard to tell if there is vote fraud or not.

[Bill McBlueState]

28. You mean anecdotal evidence and statistical data are at odds?

That hardly ever happens.

[Hekate]

33. It's what I've been saying, Debbie.It won't be over 'til Obama has his hand on the Bible in January.

Every step of the way, every breath between now and then, is fraught with peril. The voting machines are still dirty, voting rolls are still being purged of Democrats, and the corporate media still cares more about power than they do the First Amendment.

As I told Mr. H, 10 years ago I would have said that suspicions about the polls were crazy conspiracy theory talk, but 8 years of Bush have taught me differently.

We need to watch each other's back, and especially the backs of our Dem leaders. It is not that they are above criticism, it's that Rove and Rove's methods are alive and kicking. Look at what is being done to smear John Edwards just now -- and look how many DUers are willing to spread this muck.

God help us all.

Hekate