Harold Ford On Morning Joe agreeing with The Scar Barack should have visited the troops, that is all

[EV_Ares]

we need from the DLC to help.

[Hope And Change]

1. What a fucking dickhead.

[madaboutharry]

2. I have never understood Harold Ford.

He is such a complete weenie whenever he gets near a republican.

[babylonsister]

3. He's so milque toasty, and a very poor surrogate, which no doubt

is why he's on this program consistently. He's not doing us any favors.

[EV_Ares]

4. No Scar sucks him in as his buddy so Harold follows along with him and Buchanan., eom.

[my3boyz]

7. Yeah, that @sshole Buchanon is back too. I did not even get

to listen to him. The first thing I heard as I turned on the tv was the John McCain ad and the bullshit that Harold said regarding the ad. I wish Buchanan had stayed wherever the hell he was. Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...I'm so ticked at Harold right now.

[babylonsister]

8. So you're saying Ford is so insecure he's acting this way to make friends?

I'm not buying that; he has an agenda, I just can't figure out what it is.

[my3boyz]

10. Maybe to keep his shitty job on MSNBC! OMG...I am furious!!!!!!!!!! nt

[annabanana]

11. His agenda? Simple....

triangulation... corporate donations... corporate ascendancy

[babylonsister]

19. That's not working with Obama.

I would like to believe he wouldn't try to sabotage our candidate for selfish reasons; this election is too critically important for even the DLC to mess with.

[EV_Ares]

12. No, wasn't saying that, just that they have become buddies, golf, plays on their softball team,

the good old boy thing, no, he can stand on his own and its another thing, I don't know what it is or why he would not stand up and be stronger on the show and battle back on these things.

Its just politics as usual in DC. Not sure what his angle is but I am surprised that someone in the DLC would not be a stronger advocate. Maybe, that is why he couldn't win his own election.

[chimpymustgo]

22. Maybe he's just expressing his OPINION as a political analyst.

[babylonsister]

24. Then maybe he shouldn't be representing the Democratic party

if he's going to badmouth Obama. I have a problem with that; maybe you don't.

[chimpymustgo]

25. I really respect people who give their honest views. Ford just pointed out BO was going to be

criticized either way - that McCain probably has 2 press releases ready.

I hate it when "analysts" act like Rethug brownshirts. I'm surprised that's what you expect and desire.

Give me independent thinkers.

[babylonsister]

26. Ford just pointed that out; at the top of the program he agreed

with Scar that Obama should have gone to visit the soldiers. I have a problem with someone who voices two different opinions in the course of an hour. That's far from independent thinking, or an 'honest' opinion.

[chimpymustgo]

27. The two points are not incompatible. One can think he should have visited the troops,

and admit he would be criticized either way.

I think there would have been much less credible criticism if BO has visited the troups - sans cameras - just to wish them well. And I think that is what Ford is saying.

[babylonsister]

29. He's a wishy washy milque toast surrogate-imo. The Obama campaign

could do much better. It's been explained to my satisfaction why Obama didn't go. Look around; lots of threads defending Obama and not McCain, as you appear to be doing. Have at it.

[chimpymustgo]

31. Why would you maliciously lie about my position? You need to get a grip.

[babylonsister]

32. "I think there would have been much less credible criticism if BO has visited the troups"

So does McCain. 'Nuff said.

PS Go read post #16 in this thread; very informative, and that's all I have to say on this topic to you. Have a nice day.

[chimpymustgo]

35. I think McCain' ad and charges are scurrilous. Your distortion of my words - slimey.

Try to have the best day your limitations will allow.

[newmajority]

38. There's not one goddamn "independent thinker" in the entire DLC

And if there was one, it certainly wouldn't be Harold Ford.

[EV_Ares]

15. No he doesn't but overall you almost have to watch it for a lot of the guests that

are on the show for analysis. I am disappointed they don't have someone other than Scarborough to head it otherwise I do think it would be pretty well balanced. But when you get people like Harold Ford, DLC and he goes the way he does, rather difficult to have a balanced act.

[my3boyz]

5. Oh he went even further than that. He said he probably would have run

an ad just like the one that John McCain did regarding the troops. GO TO HELL Harold Ford! I have always given his sorry @ss the benefit of the doubt! Watch his @ss try to go kissing up to Barack once he becomes president. If I was Barack I would tell him to go to hell! I hope Barack knows what a two faced, GOP ass kissing piece of trash he truly is. Sorry I am so ticked! I'm also so embarrassed that someone from my birthplace (no longer live there) would say something like that. I can't wait til my mom wakes up so I can tell her. She still lives in Memphis and boy will she be pissed.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Ah, The Golden Triangle

More triangulation from the rapidly-waning DLC.

That being said - I mwas off camping, and missed this whole "visit the troops" situation. Can someone explain in a sentence or two?

[EV_Ares]

9. No prob Manny, Barack was set to visit the troops in a couple of

places in Germany, one was in a hospital I believe with wounded troops from Iraq. They got a message from the Pentagon that it would be considered a political visit and the decision was made by the campaign that it would be played up against them as using the troops for political so they decided the best way to go was to not go at all and live with that decision.

Well, it sounds like it was a trap and a no win to me. Look at how, first could not speak at the Brandenburg Gate, that did not work. Look at how C. Rice said they could not get any assistance from the embassy staff, that did not work, then out comes the message nobody from the embassy could go to the rally, that did not work so then out comes the message from the Pentagon that the visit to the troops would be considered a political visit. I don't think they will get much play from it as he visited the troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and before in another visit there.

Now, the republicans will try to get whatever spin they can from this as they have nothing else. He should turn it and put it on them for politicizing the troops.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

16. The "visit the troops" thing (Landstuhl) was a total setup by the GOP on Obama.

It was collusion between Rove/Bush Administration and McCain's campaign. It's completely transparent, and completely disgusting.

The event for Obama had been known, scheduled and arranged for weeks.

Obama's people suddenly get a call from a Pentagon rep the DAY before it's scheduled saying that Obama can't bring any of his campaign people, only Senate staff, otherwise it's a campaign event which is not allowed on military bases. (Can you imagine the logistics involved with something like this with either major candidate? No way is it going to happen with him just taking a cab there without any of his people. He did the right thing under the circumstances. Also I don't trust these rat fuckers with his safety when they are losing so badly, even at a military hospital.)

There is INSTANTLY a firestorm of pre-manufactured GOP outrage in the Right Wing media, talk radio etc., about him not going including an ad from the McCain people.

You do the math. The conclusion is pretty obvious to me.

Obama needs to learn a good lesson from this that the GOP will stop at nothing, and will use Bush's control over the military to work him over with "gotcha" moments such as this to fuck him over any way they can. He needs to be very wary about events on military bases and consider the possibility of this kind of setup. He's smart and knows this but just got set up good this time. I don't think the damage will be too bad. It's too obvious that the talking point of "Obama's too good to spend time with the troops" is bogus, considering the time he spent with them in Afghanistan, complete with all kinds of positive images, which no doubt enraged the Bush and McCain people.

When you consider this in context of Condi telling State Dept. people abroad not to help Obama, and U.S. Embassy people in Germany not being allowed to attend the Berlin speech while the U.S. Ambassador to Canada himself went to McCain's speech in Canada, also very much a campaign event, it's pretty clear that McCain and Bush will harness the full machinery of federal government to try and help him win.

There are several very good DU threads on the Landstuhl (U.S. military hospital in Germany) incident, search and read them.

It's more than a sentence or two, but there you have it.

[EV_Ares]

17. Excellent analysis and that is where I hope somewhere there is a leak about

how it was a planned sabotage because I agree with you, it definitly was a last throw "hail-Mary" as nothing else they had thrown out there, Brandenburg Gate, State Dept, Embassy staff, etc had worked so this was their last shot.

I hope they get something on it.

[babylonsister]

30. Your post needs its own thread for those that just don't get it. Well done! nt

[mwb970]

13. I wouldn't watch that show if you paid me.

I'd sooner watch Hannity or BillO the Clown.

[RNdaSilva]

14. Switched to CNN.

"Attacks Across Iraq"

A very violent day in Iraq.

[my3boyz]

18. Sorry to hear that. :( I want our troops home. :(

[JTFrog]

20. Fuck the DLC.

[endarkenment]

21. Harold Ford: Epic Asshole

[GalleryGod]

23. It was a Pentagon "trap"; They still get their orders from their CINC

Just wait 2 hours...McINsane will be in the Attends Aisle,next!

[ErinBerin84]

28. I finally broke my Morning Joe spell.

It made me angry, but had a strange hold over me in the morning. But seriously, it's such a frat party. Not really with the guests, but if any of the hosts disagree with Joe, they usually get ganged up on. Especially when they say something factual and correct Joe...oh, those facts really piss Joe off!

[Coexist]

33. Harold Ford seems to just 'love' being 'one of the IN crowd' with Joe

its a tad embarassing.

[blm]

36. The Clinton wing of the Dem party strikes again. The asshats were all over TV in 2000, 2002, 2004 as

the Dem party spokespeople and the networks keep tapping them still. They can alsways depend on that wing to not trouble themselves to learn the TRUTH before they speak. They live in a world that accepts the corporate spin.

[npincus]

34. Ford is a strange bird... I think he's attracted to the Dark Side

[newmajority]

37. Harold Ford agreed with the Repukes

Damn, who could have seen that coming? :eyes:

Useless little DLC puke :puke:

[catgirl]

39. What a slimeball

[WeDidIt]

40. Harold needs Obama to lose

It's been clear for some time.