lol. The NYT's Adam Nagourney strikes again. "Where's the Bounce?!"

[ErinBerin84]

Ok, I'm not saying that Obama's bounce that we have seen is sustainable or even significant in July, but it does seem like he's gotten a little one from Gallup, etc. I think this is payback for the Obama camp calling him out on that bullshit "race divided by race" interpretation of the NYT's poll.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/28/wheres-the-bounce/

"Where’s the Bounce?
By The New York Times

In his column today, Adam Nagourney writes, “It is a question that has hovered over Senator Barack Obama even as he has passed milestone after milestone in his race for the White House: Why is he not doing better?”
It shadowed him as he struggled against Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in many states through the primaries, results that sometimes stood at odds with the huge, enthusiastic crowds that turned out to see him. It was there in the exit polls that suggested that many Democrats were uncomfortable with Mr. Obama, putting an asterisk next to some of his biggest primary victories.
And it is back again as he returns from an overseas trip that even Republicans have described as politically triumphant"

[livetohike]

1. It seems these columnists and others won't be happy with

Obama's numbers unless it's 90-10 and they will probably still be crying, "Why is he not doing better?".

Idiots.

[ErinBerin84]

3. honestly. They are obsessed. What is this magic threshold?

[livetohike]

4. They are obsessed. Especially "Morning Joe"

and what I think is it will be a landslide for Obama and the media is doing their best to prop up McCain :grr:.

[TwilightGardener]

2. Why hasn't Obama won the election yet? Why isn't he being sworn in as we speak?

Bizarre. We have a loooong way to go.

[TexasObserver]

5. Yeah, the guy with a 40 year public career has 40%, but boy, that other guy with 49% is in trouble!!

Why can't the 49% guy get all 100%?!

Yeah, that's right. He can't, so there!!

[depakid]

6. I've often wondered why this guy isn't published on the editorial pages

as he rarely if ever reports news- and his pieces are almost always replete with transparently "colored" copy.

Obviously, the guy has friends in high places....

[paulk]

7. seems like a fair article to me

but, then again, I realize Obama's more fanatic supporters see anything that doesn't diefy their hero as a smear. And are willing, along with Obama's campaign - if their treatment of Nagourney is any indication - to throw under the bus anyone who doesn't see Obama through the same rose colored glasses that they do.

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“They’ve known John McCain for years,” Bill McInturff, a pollster for Mr. McCain, said of survey participants. “But people say in focus groups, ‘Who the heck is Barack Obama? Had you heard of him before six months ago?’ And he’s 46 years old. He’s somebody nobody knows about.”

Mr. McCain is “running ahead of where he should be based on the environment,” Mr. McInturff said.

Peter Hart, a Democratic pollster, said the statistics are a reminder of the particular obstacles that Mr. Obama faces. “Here’s a 46-year-old African American with a narrative that is very unusual and that few other Americans can relate to,” he said. “Add to that the fact that he has had four years in the United States Senate and very little international experience. That’s a large leap for the American public to make.”


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these are valid observations of the obstacles Obama will need to overcome. Maybe you should listen to them.

[ErinBerin84]

9. treatment by the Obama camp?

Ooooh, the Obama campaign sent out a MEMO disputing the interpretation of his previous NYT's poll . Oh, burn. How low of them. The article was not even up yet, it was the preview on the blog that I was responding to.


Why such a caustic response? What does this have to do with "fanatical Obama supporters", other than your attempt to bring it up?

[paulk]

10. it's unprecendented for a campaign to do something like that

without first talking to the writer.


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The response was caustic because there was nothing wrong with the article in question. There are a number of Obama supporters whose first instinct is to attack the messenger rather than listen to the message. It's an attitude that could very well cost us this election.

[ErinBerin84]

13. well, that's not my attitude, so I was slightly offended. I understand your point.

But this "Where's the bounce?" narrative is often cited in the media, with little to back it up. And whatever, I don't really care that he did not talk to the writer. Adam can be ridiculous sometimes, with little substance to his "theories", like the "I think that Obama may have done LESS drugs than he said he did!" article. Reporters should be prepared to deal with that kind of stuff, the media won't be on Obama's side for the most part so I wouldn't do them any favors. A memo does not really qualify as "under the bus" to me, if Adam is a big boy he should be able to handle it or provide a defense for leaving out certain details of the NYT poll that counter his "divided by race" narrative. Mayhill Fowler (of bittergate) said that the Obama campaign was very nice to her after she broke bitter-gate, so I don't think it was a matter of negative coverage, just coverage that they deemed unfair.

[Barack_America]

8. Where's HIS homework?

Looks like he didn't do it.

My boyfriend, who was apolitical coming into this election (he's Canadian, so give him a break), has now gotten to the point where he's just about yelling at the television.

"How can they say that if it isn't true?"
"Can't they be sued for this?"
"Aren't they going to correct this shit?"

All from this morning's coverage of the so-called "troop snub" on MSNBC (+ McCain's ad on the subject)

[grantcart]

11. some people need a picture

[blogslut]

12. Good Old Ad Nags

I can almost hear the whine coming through his text.

[Cha]

14. What the fuck would we do without our PressWhores

and MediaWhores?

[high density]

15. It's so cute that the NY Times blog covers itself

Nagourney floats a lot of questions but provides absolutely no insight into anything.