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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:44 PM
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More Slack on that Rope, Boys!
I realize that many of you are seeing Obama’s campaign as appearing weak and ineffective because he’s not fighting back – and he’s not, at least in the traditional way. But this is not your traditional politician – and you should have known that all along.

In my humble opinion, he’s fighting back in the best way possible: by ensuring that the McCain campaign has an endless supply of rope with which to hang itself. And in case you haven’t noticed, that noose grows tighter every day.

In the context of political timelines, Obama came out of nowhere and, in record time, captured the attention – and the imagination – of tens of millions, not only here but the world over. He became our party’s nominee not on the promise of same old/same old, but by offering hope and changehope of a better tomorrow, and change in the way we go about achieving it.

I appreciate that those who are angry want to see the gloves come off. They want to see an outraged Obama lashing out at the lies, the deceit, the downright childishness of his opponent’s campaign, and smacking them down – good and hard. But the smack-down is there; you just have to know where to look. It is as subtle as it is devastating.

It’s said that you have to fight fire with fire. But when is the last time the firefighters in your neck of the woods showed up at a burning building with flame-throwers and gasoline? Obama has chosen to fight fire with water – and it works.

He stops mid-sentence to douse those pesky campfires McCain starts by rubbing two sticks together, and then goes about the business of speaking to the real issues voters are concerned about. And in so doing, he points out that while he’s addressing the concerns of a nation, McCain is busy addressing his one and only concern – the fact that that other guy is using the totally unfair tactic of addressing the concerns of a nation.

And the wheel goes ‘round and ‘round, and while McCain gets dizzier, Obama stands clear-headed on firm ground. You gotta like that.

It’s easy to compare Obama’s campaign strategy to that of Kerry, and find it wanting. It is also easy to take note of the fact that these are two different men, each with distinct strengths and weaknesses, who faced combat on completely different political fields.

While Kerry had to take on a president who was still popular, supported by those who still clung to the belief that victory in Iraq was just around the next corner, that economic hardship for the average American was a liberal scare tactic, that torture would never be condoned by a good Christian president, Obama takes on the reality of those now-debunked “truisms”, and the consequences Americans are living with, day-in and day-out, as a result of having believed what was spewed by the Republican spin-machine in the first place.

And he’s doing it extremely well. He’s not allowing himself to be baited into a fist-fight by his opponent; he’s allowing his opponent to wear himself out in the alley, bloodying himself by throwing punches at a brick wall. He’s not getting into the mud-pit with the pig; he’s just observing how dirty that pig is getting all of its own accord. He’s not dissin’ the bully on the block; he’s doing something much more effective - he's dismissing him as irrelevant.

In short, he’s not causing a train-wreck, knowing that if he does, he will be blamed for contributing to the ensuing destruction. He’s just standing back and watching it happen – in slow motion – an inevitable disaster in which he cannot be said to have had any part.

It’s one thing to hope your opponent’s grasping at the ultimate prize will be perceived as desperation. It is genius to allow him to grasp at straws, while you stand on the sidelines and smile like a cat – the one who swallowed the canary, while everyone else was looking the other way.

You don’t win the war by engaging in every battle, but by choosing your battles wisely and well. And you don’t win a presidency by promising hope and change, only to be seen as having abandoned all hope by refusing to stand up for the promise of change that put you in the running in the first place.

President Barack Hussein Obama. It has a nice ring to it. It sounds not only like hope and change, it sounds like victory won on sticking to your principles, instead of sticking it to the other guy - who, left to his own devices, is more than willing to stick it to himself.




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mloutre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:46 PM
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1. Yeah! What Nance said!!




(Sheesh, I reckon as how I might just as well save that subject line as a default sig file by now...)




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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:46 PM
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2. TOUCHE !!..n/t
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:47 PM
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3. Perfect, Nance!
I hope this will quiet some of the naysayers, or at least make them think. Thanks! :hug:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:14 PM
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20. Isn't this great? A total 180 degree
Edited on Fri Aug-01-08 08:14 PM by zidzi
turnaround..positive reinforcement is miraculous.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:55 AM
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51. Obama's fight is not with McCain, who is substance free and self destructive...
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:06 AM
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52. Obama's war is with the media who await anything negative they can jump on
Look what they did with Clark's innocent but truthful statement that being a POW was not a qualification to be president. The press went ballistic. Right now the press is doing everything it can just to shamelessly cover McCain's ignorance and bad decisions. McCain is like a dog chasing its tail...all Obama needs to do is point at him and not do the same thing. The stakes are high so the people are fearful but what once worked from gutter politics has been bragged about and exposed to the very people duped by it. It is now seen for what it is. How often do you hear ,"Just wait until the publican attack machine starts rolling". Meaning people see it for what it is...an attack machine that is dirty and brought us such disastrous results. Even totally ignorant voters say everything has turned to shit and we don't need more of this 'shit'...which is exactly what Obama is not...more of this 'shit'. Good insight Nance. Plenty of time to expose McCain's huge inventory of ignorance but for now McCain is doing it all by himself.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 01:02 AM
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89. I have been watching the corporate closely.
Obama is doing something completely new, the corporate media doesn't know how to react or report it. They were chasing poll numbers a couple of weeks ago, but nobody paid attention; then they tried to be all hip and go to youtube, but they don't understand youtube; next it was down in the gutter trying to convince Obama to come down here & get dirty, he ignored them. Obama's campaign has THEM scrambling for something they can't find cuz they don't have a clue what they're looking for.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:22 PM
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74. I hope so, too (one of those being myself). Maybe I'm just sort of down-on-the-chin
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 03:24 PM by calimary
about everything today. I don't know what it is. But I'm fighting extra hard NOT to get discouraged.

It's not that I doubt Obama. It's that I doubt the wisdom and long-range reason of Joe Sixpack and Jane Flagpin, and their ability to get beyond their own gullibility. 'Cause some people are just hopeless, simply unreachable by now.

I DEARLY and DESPERATELY hope I'm wrong.

Thanks, Nance. I'm bookmarking this to read again. And again.

And thanks, azmouse, too, for referring me to this one here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6573927&mesg_id=6576206
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:47 PM
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4. K&R. I feel the same exact way...
only the words don't come out the same way. :hi:
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:49 PM
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5. you are WAY too astute for the general discourse around here...
good job...
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:49 PM
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6. My dear Nance!
You give me hope...

K&R

:patriot:
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:50 PM
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7. More slack makes the end of the drop much more final.
I wonder if the Old Guy's head will eventually just pop off?
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:59 PM
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24. I predict we may find out in the first debate, if he continues at this pace...
Obama needs to destroy him with his logic, his reason and his common sense, all while maintaining his usual unruffled aplomb. Obama wasn't my first choice (Al Gore, now and forever!) but he's managed to exceed my expectations so many times in the last year that I find myself having some hopes for enjoying this election season for once - but just admitting that much makes me momentarily superstitious, and I catch myself hoping that I haven't jinxed it by noticing!
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:53 PM
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8. golden words, Nance. I especially like this line:
It’s said that you have to fight fire with fire. But when is the last time the firefighters in your neck of the woods showed up at a burning building with flame-throwers and gasoline? Obama has chosen to fight fire with water – and it works.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:56 PM
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9. Great post.
McCain will wear himself down way too early.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:56 PM
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10. Very good.
We do not need Obama to be distracted by every bit of nonsense that the McCain campaign bhurns out. And we do need to keep our eyes in the prize.

Nominated.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:57 PM
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11. I don't think Obama got to the top of Chicago politics
to become a Senator by bringing a knife to a gunfight. His handlers need to be reminded where he comes from, and let him fight back!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:45 PM
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85. He also didn't have beltway consutants advising him in Chicago
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 09:45 PM by depakid
to take the same path that Gore, Kerry and Dukakis took....
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 07:59 PM
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12. exactly right
McCain is defining himself...extraordinarily badly
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:02 PM
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13. NanceGreggs: The hardest working woman in show business.
Always a great read, and always literate and grammatically correct, with perfect spelling.

Retentive, like me. I like it.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:03 PM
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14. I think that McCain's positive rating numbers are going to be dropping
within a couple of weeks.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:08 PM
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73. I think McCain's 'postive numbers' are a fabrication ...
... if there were no 'poll numbers'/horse race for the MSM to endlessly circle-jerk itself over, what would they have to talk about?

Real Issues and the truly fucked up state of the Nation? Well now. :spank:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:03 PM
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15. Verklempt!
Thank you, Nance..Everyone should see this..you write so well and it's just what we need to bring us back to the big picture!

It's about being strong through times like these and you're strongly assisting in inspiration:) and encouragment:)
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:05 PM
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16. Well, I'm concerned.
Edited on Fri Aug-01-08 08:13 PM by cliffordu
I'm concerned that Nance will have to go on vacation or take a break and these wonderful missives will slow down and I will be tempted to be TRULY concerned.

My name is cliffordu, and I am a Nanceaholic.

Another world class piece, Nance. Thanks.

K&R
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:05 PM
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17. Great article. I've been hoping the same...
That Obama is standing back, giving McGoo enough rope to hang himself.

He is making them look like schoolboys.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:06 PM
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18. Again, you've hit the nail on the head, and eloquently.
:toast:
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central scrutinizer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:06 PM
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19. Rope-a-Dope.
Perfected by Muhammad Ali, a truly great American.

I think we all know who the Dope is this time.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 09:13 PM
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25. That's the way I've been looking at it. A few good punches here and there, but mostly let
the opponent exhaust himself--then BAM, down he goes.

I'm going to really enjoy the post-convention campaign; I can't wait to see my senior Senator defeated at last.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 09:51 PM
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26. That's exactly what I was thinkinig...
Obama has run a nearly perfect campaign, and Grumpy is flustered.

I hope we are seeing a new and better way for political discourse. I think the nation is sick and tired of the negativity...it is time we moved ahead, there is no room left for the purveyors of fear, war and hatred.

A New Age...an age or respectability and honor, based on truth, knowledge and true justice.

Obama may usher in this New Age, but it is we who must maintain it, keeping the best interests of the nation and the world in the forefront.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:23 PM
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21. another excellent piece, nance.
i love that obama is dismissing mccain . . . humorously. mccain is already getting testy . . . he is due to blow his top. the way obama is handling the mcccain camp is near perfect, imo.

ellen fl

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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:32 PM
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22. Great post!
I tried to say something similar in another thread, but of course you said it much better.

Thank you!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 08:43 PM
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23. yes barack and crew have done an excellent job
in deflecting the bullshit......poor johnnie boy, he looks so old and confused
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 10:17 PM
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27. I am soooo looking forward to the debates . . .
The contrast between the two contenders will be inescapable. Obama won't have to mop the floor with McCain -- McCain will spontaneously combust and crumble into ashes.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 10:36 PM
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28. Don't worry -
Obama will deliver the smackdown, and we'll be amazed. He'll skillfully slash and delightfully dice, and McLame won't even see it coming. Just keep letting him dig his own political grave. The touche moments are coming.
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 10:36 PM
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29. right on point....
and beautifully written...
always a pleasure!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 10:40 PM
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30. Agree. Obama can hit back hard if he wants to or needs to later but
for now he's forced McCain to blow several fuses at once before the end of summertime.

Obama's campaign has forced McCain to demonstrate that they have nothing positive to offer and can ony earn attention by acting like 2 year olds. If McCain had something persuasvie and positive to offer, he would be offering it instead of running idiot ads (which will be remembered as such for generations) and slamming Obama on non-points.

Obama is in a position right now to glimpse briefly at McCain from under a cool shade tree and urge voters to ask why the Senator from Arizona is losing it.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:03 PM
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32. That shade tree must be on McCain's lawn...
NO WONDER he's so pissed!

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:06 PM
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33. Yep. It's kinda fun watching McCain become the poster boy for
Intermittent Explosive Disorder.

I honestly think he's had it politically easy up to this year. Now, in the white-hot glare of the big lights, he's very slowly coming to realize that he's out of his league and about to be avalanched by a blue tide.


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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:17 PM
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81. Thank heavens he doesn't go to Iraq more frequently. They've got enough IEDs
over there as is.

Love it, Old Crusoe!

Intermittent Explosive Disorder. Maybe the viagra isn't working anymore?

And that voice. UGH! Like Peter Lorre back from the grave. :scared:
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:08 AM
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43. Invoice in the mail, sweetie ...
You OWE me a new keyboard.

:rofl:
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:40 AM
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54. For all the great stuff you provide here, I'll be PROUD spot you a new one!

:)
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:52 AM
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56. Thanks, but ...
... the great laugh I had from your post was more than worth it!

Thanks again!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:09 PM
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35. So true, my friend!
You're right-on with the image of Obama cooling himself under the shade tree, interrupting his mint julep sipping every minute or so to ask McCain if "that's all ya got."

At this rate, McCain will be so battle-weary from fighting with himself, our guy will only have to blow on him come the debates to knock him down.

I'm enjoying this whole thing way too much!

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:14 PM
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36. Nance, you got it -- the debates should be REAL instructive
for McCain.

Great post, not surprisingly.

If the McCain campaign was going anywhere this fall, it would have attracted some serious minds by summer. It hasn't.




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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 10:58 PM
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31. Not just rope. Rope-a-dope
What will be left after McCain finishes with this flurry of missed knockout blows. Where does he go from here? He can't go any lower.
If McCain gained an immediate 5 points in the polls or so for his week of sleaze, he didn't get much for using up all he has.

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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:07 PM
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34. Best post I've read in a long time - recommended
Edited on Fri Aug-01-08 11:09 PM by Jersey Devil
With all Obama has accomplished in so short a period of time I have confidence that he has a plan that will devastate McCain very shortly and completely. Be patient grasshoppers.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:20 PM
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38. Thanks, Jersey Devil ...
... and yes, patience here is key.

I keep picturing the scene in Braveheart, where William Wallace has had his men arm themselves with sharpened pikes to face the horsemen of the king. The trick is to not show their weapons, until it's too late for the soldiers to avoid destruction.

"Hold," Wallace says, over and over. "Hold, hold, hold ..."

Obama is holding - and when he raises his pike, his opponent will be skewered by the force of own unyielding charge.

And he'll never see it coming - until it's too late.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:25 AM
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48. Sun-Tzu, in The Art of War, wrote...
"First, know your enemy" & "choose the battles you can win". Also appropriate in this case is, Sun-Tzu's realization that you can win wars by not fighting battles, the enemy often self destructs on his own.

The "Great Patriot Warrior" McCain, must have missed Sun-Tzu at Annapolis...I can tell you from a soldiers point of view, it was a most excellent read, and it not need be read only by those who fight battles and wars, but there is a lot in there that can be used in everyday life...:)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:15 PM
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37. Pfft. You're so naive, with you head in the sand for the messiah candidate....
To hear DUers tell the shitty story, at least.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:25 PM
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39. "Is that all you got?" lol. Yeesh, Bloo, I was actually cheering up reading this thread. nt
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:28 PM
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40. I do understand the pent-up anger ...
... and the desire to BURY McCain and his surrogates alive.

However, I try to remind myself that our candidate is a much smarter person than I am - and that's why he's going to be the president, and I'm not.

:hi:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:15 AM
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44. Heh - it's hard for me to *forget* how smart he is.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:23 AM
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46. Ah, that's okay ...
You'll have eight years to be reminded of it.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:25 AM
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47. And I'm ok with that.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:40 PM
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41. I would rather walk into the future with my head high and proud...
Edited on Fri Aug-01-08 11:52 PM by rasputin1952
as opposed to dragging myself through the same old mud we've seen for years.

There is a lot to be said for human dignity, but few practice it to any extent. I see people w/chips on their shoulders, and blinders on that cannot allow them to see the point of all of this. The objective is change, and you cannot exemplify change if you resort to the same old tired out mudfests that have become political battlegrounds.

This nation is looking for a way to put us back on track, a track that begins with human dignity and justice. We cannot have that if we start off in the hog wallow. We must demand and then accept that we can go through this process with our dignity and honor intact.

This goes a little farther though, because we must keep on demanding that these mudfests cease, and hold the people we elect to standards they demand of us. We cannot allow the past to drive us into the darkness again. We can rally and make changes, I am of the opinion we should make those changes honorably...I refuse to allow myself to become a servant of the GOP shredder.

So stand up, be counted among those who are demanding that we clean house and take this nation back to where it is truly a nation of the People, by the People and for the People. We own this nation, and as owners, we are responsible for what direction this nation takes. No more national disgrace, no more national destruction.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-01-08 11:47 PM
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42. Once again, my friend ...
... well, you KNOW what I'm going to say.

So let's pretend I've said it, and you've ignored my entreaties - but then you get tired of my nagging, and THEN you do what you should have done all along.

And then you post a link to your OP here ...

"No more national disgrace, no more national destruction." Sounds like a GREAT thread title, don'tcha think?

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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:17 AM
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45. Well Nance...I'm actually a pretty humble guy when it comes
down to it. But, I do have my moments...:)

Anyway...like I said before, if I want anyone to read my posts, I just drop them in some phenominal thread, like this one...:hi:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:45 AM
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49. Nance... will you marry me?

I'm sure my wife won't mind.


;-)
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 12:54 AM
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50. Ah, that's what they ALL say ...
I'm already on my third marriage, and couldn't possibly consider a fourth because (a) I'm happy with my third, and (b) I have totally run out of suitable things to wear to a wedding, especially my own.

But I do appreciate the sentiment :loveya:.



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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:31 AM
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53. Duriing the primaries, Obama supporters were everywhere.
They were tabling at the Farmer's Markets, all over the place.

Now they are nowhere to be seen here in L.A. What is going on? What happened to all that enthusiasm?

One of my neighbors has been trying (through me) to contact the campaign so that she can volunteer. I have been asking around. Someone said a headquarters would be opened near my home. But so far -- no news.

This is shocking to me.

The Obama campaign was so well run during the primaries, and now, when it is so important to be out there registering voters, I don't see a face.

I spoke to someone from one of the local Democratic Clubs who was trying to register voters, and she said Obama wasn't going to do much in California, that her club was trying to do what it could. This is really bad, people.

A lot of Hillary voters need to be reached -- to say nothing of some of the independent voters. What is Obama's campaign waiting for? What are they thinking?
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:24 AM
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60. Well, take some initiative... I don't have to wait for Obama people to
call me to sign people up to vote.. I do it at my work everyday with people who stay at the hotel.. and then I take the responsibility to show them what a registration card looks like, where to go and vote, and mail in their voter registration form (only FL people). I do not push to hard on one candidate over the other than to explain.. you can check the Republican box... that's like McCain.. or Democrat box and that's like Obama.. Obama wins the Dems, and another one is registered. Be the Change you want to see.. Be an Obama person on your own.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 12:10 PM
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90. All these young people were so enthusiastic about Obama.
I am going to vote for him, and I support him, but I supported a different candidate during the primaries and feel that those who were so crazy about Obama at that time should be campaigning for him now. Had he been my first choice, I would be at the forefront. Where are all these people.

I walked my precinct -- up huge flights of stairs in the hills of L.A. That is not easy at my age. I'm not doing it again, and I am tabling for a different cause. If you supported Obama in the primaries, get out there. He will not get elected unless you get to work.

Those of us who supported Kerry worked extremely hard to get him elected and did not win. You are going to have to do better with Obama.

Those of you for whom he was the first choice will do a much better job than I could. You have to do it. You got him through the primaries, now get out there and prove to the rest of us that he can win.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:49 AM
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55. As you already know we agree - I thought your title was a reference to Ali's rope a dope
but yours is even better and perfectly written.


How many more days before we hear the phrase 'silly season'.
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concerned canadian Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:12 AM
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57. K and R
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 02:14 AM by concerned canadian
Thanks for your uplifting and enlightening way with words and edgy humour. Timely.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:31 AM
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58. Well said, Nance - eleanor Clift agrees
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 07:03 AM
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59. Perfect and True. nt
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:18 AM
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61. It's a little early, but Obama will take off the gloves soon enough.
OR, he will be beaten. Don't be idealistic. People listen to negative campaigning. It works. Not only must Obama punch back, he must ATTACK McCain on OFFFENSE and fiercely. And oh there is so much to hit this asshole with ! People won't vote for a wimp for president. If Democrats haven't learned this lesson yet, they are, frankly, politically STUPID ! So get ready for a rumble. This is politics. And it is TOUGH business, as it damn well should be.
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:07 AM
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62. Integrity. For me it is about Integrity.
Truth is compromised by hypocrisy. If you truly believe in what you say, and it is good and just, then it will prevail.

I could use a dozen Mythological and Historical examples. Unfortunately, in many of them the speaker of truth is killed or banished only to be vindicated in the end.

My respect for Obama is built around his seriousness, confidence, cool and integrity. Using the politics of destruction and vengeance (read: Turd blossom), would cheapen Obama in my eyes.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:10 AM
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63. I can see the argument for both "ways".
Yours isn't as visceral but hopefully it's more effective.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:19 AM
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64. I'm so offended! You diminunized me! (poutrages intensely)
:P
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:20 AM
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65. Obama is much better at understatement than either Gore or Kerry
While Gore and Kerry came across as erudite to a fault, Obama has adopted a truly populist style. That means he's part showman. He'll say something about McCain's most recent charge, making it sound ridiculous (not too difficult to do) and the then rest with a perfect two beat pause and move on to important things.

Obama will win in a landslide.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:26 AM
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66. John McCain will NOT be...
...the nominee after the Republican convention!

In the meantime, it is lotsa fun to watch Obama totally punk the guy.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 07:33 PM
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94. do tell
could you elaborate?
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:53 AM
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67. Perfect response to the
knee-jerk reactionary keyboard commandos who wouldn't know long term strategy if it came up and bit 'em in the ass.

Julie
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:10 PM
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68. He's Doing Fine Nance.... I Agree
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 01:16 PM
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69. You are a treasure, Nance.. an uplifting treasure..thank you for saying so eloquently what
so many of us think and feel. And further, I believe that once Sen Obama and Sen McCain have a televised debate... it is going to be the end for the repugnant republicans and their pathetic candidate.

Nance, I wish, as usual that the entire world could read, on a regular basis, the wonderfully articulate and conscious essays you write.

Thank you

INVESTIGATE IMPEACH INDICT INCARCERATE :patriot:
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comrade snarky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:03 PM
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70. I hope you are right
But I do worry about Obama allowing McCain to frame the campaign in it's own terms.

It's a perfect Rovian strategy. Attack the strength of your opponent and turn it to a weakness by changing the media perception then influencing the public as the media lapdogs spout *conventional wisdom*.

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:42 PM
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71. That is precisely what's wrong with their 'strategy' ...
They are attempting to attack Obama on the fact that he is 'popular' alone, and not on what it is that makes him popular.

It's like criticizing a movie based solely on the fact that everyone is rushing out to see it, without ever mentioning that it's garnering huge audiences because people thinks it's a great film.

McCain actually IS framing the campaign right now - but he's framing it in terms of himself being a disgruntled whiner without anything of substance to say, seethingly jealous of his opponent's abilities, and childish enough to throw hissy-fits because he's being ignored.

When your opponent is consistently hitting himself in the head with a hammer, there's really no need to do anything but stand back and watch.
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:05 PM
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72. Beautifully put, thanks!
:applause:
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lynettebro440 Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:41 PM
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75. Exactly Nance
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 03:43 PM by lynettebro440
if people could just see how brilliant Obama is and see him as he is about 5 steps ahead of everyone else, they could enjoy history being made. Obama knows exactly what he's doing and he wouldn't have gotten very far if he would do it the way people want him to. He's way better then that. You speak what my mind yells at me, you just do it so much better. Thank you again for another great post.

K&R
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GoForTheJugular Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:07 PM
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76. thinking like this is why we'll lose....
although this was well written, I wanted to cry after I read it...

folks, I need to explain something to you...

THE GENERAL POPULACE DOES NOT FOLLOW POLITICS AS MUCH AS WE DO...

I think the writer and most people who agree with her fall into the camp of folks that think that everyone is paying attention to this race as closely as we are and has been doing so since the primary season. So all of her points should be as obvious to everyone as they are to us.

Ever heard the term low information voter?? That's the vast majority of the voting public.

Ever wonder why Republicans start these attacks in August? Maybe because most of the low information voting public starts paying attention in August? What better time to define your opponent then when most people start paying attention. in 2004 we watched them turn a war veteran into French pansy who windsurfs. Oh yeah, who also lied about his war record. He never recovered. He still hasn't.

Wonder why the Rev Wright fiasco barely had a ripple on Obama? Because it happened in March when no one was paying attention. Had that happened this week, the race would have been over, kaput, a wrap, finito, whatever term you want to use. No speech could have saved him. What saved him then is what's going to kill him now unless he quickly reverses course.

But that's not the biggest issue here. It's that you people keep thinking that the better argument always wins in the end. That the candidate with the better substance on the issues always wins. That the candidate who has the better political environment always wins. Or conversely, that the person who stoops the lowest always loses, the one who "hangs himself" always loses, that the candidate from the weaker party brand always loses. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!

McCain isn't hanging himself here, he's showing people he's a fighter who won't back down easily. Voters want that in their president. Hell, even I respect his gangsta despite the absurdity of his attacks, no one can ever call him a fairy. This isn't a race decided on who has the better Iraq policy or who's going to decrease gas prices more. It's going to be decided by who can show that they can score the knockout, not win on points by dancing around the ring and throwing jabs. People cheer for the guy with the beat up face without the natural skills over the guy who oozes talent and is hard to touch. Sound familiar? Most voters can't even give you 3 policy highlights from either candidates platform. We're not going to win by reinforcing the prevalent notion that Democrats are wimps who are more interested in making arguments than fighting, no matter how correct our positions have proven to be over the past 8 years.

It seems we forgot that Hillary gained traction in the primaries when she went negative. It was a little too late for her at that point but EVEN DEMOCRATIC VOTERS RESPONDED TO HER PUGILISM. She was a fighter, she was scratching and clawing trying everything she could to win the race. People responded and what looked like it would be a blowout turned into a nailbiter. Why in the world would you people think that it would be any different in the general?

If Obama continues on this path, he's done. He has to take the presidency, not wait for McCain to lose it. We have a chance to landslide this election season and bury the Republican brand for decades if not permanently. Has anyone noticed how shrewdly the Republicans have managed expectations for November in all 3 chambers? I don't know what the conventional wisdom is saying about how many seats they'll lose but if we don't beat that number, they can claim "victory" and we know the media will run with that narrative. No one seems to notice this. This is not something to be taking lightly nor the time to be experimenting with new tactics that have never worked in the past. The stakes are way too high.

I still believe the Republicans are a walking dead party just off the demographic trends but as the past 8 years have shown, that party can do incalculable damage that will take decades to recover from. We cannot lose this election under any circumstances, and if it means we have to throw elbows, hit below the belt, get muddy, dirty, etc, then so be it. There's no such thing as a honorable loser in politics, especially presidential politics. I'm not interested in playing nice with these guys, or trying a 'new form of politics' or even worse, waiting for McCain to "hang himself". We'll still be waiting in January when he's being sworn in with GW Bush smiling in the background and Cheney clapping.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:22 PM
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82. You don't come out of nowhere ...
... to become a presidential candidate by being stupid, by not being able to read your enemy well, and by not knowing the best way to take him down.

You also don't get where you got on a promise of "change" and then throw it away by being another mud-slinging politician, same as the rest.

I keep hearing that we should never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter. By the same token, one should not underestimate the anger and frustration of those voters either, and their ability to wake up when they are personally threatened. (Bush's own plummeting approval numbers over recent years have certainly proven that point.)

The GOP have always appealed to the voters by saying, "As long as you've got yours, don't worry about the other guy." But after eight years of BushCo and his party, those same voters no longer have theirs either. That's very dangerous for the people who took it all away.

I supported Obama from the outset based on his message of being different. And I'm glad he's staying on message.

As I said upthread, when your opponent is hitting himself in the head with a hammer on a daily basis, there's no need to do anything more than watch him do it - and stand back from the spectacle, lest you be covered in the blood caused by the self-inflicted wounds.


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GoForTheJugular Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:42 PM
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84. While I don't sleep on Obama's political skills....
I also know when the tide is turning and when momentum begins to shift...

I also think we're putting him on way too high a pedestal just because he surprised the hell out of the Clintons... We're basically crowning him the best boxer of all time just because he happened to catch the old heavyweight champion of politics(the Clintons) on bad night and defeated them... and we're ignoring a few other facts, he's new to this game and he's lost before... The most important fact, and one I agreed with the Clintons about, was that he's never in his life faced what he's now facing and that's the dirty tactics of a desperate fighter who will do anything to win. In boxing matches like these you don't rely on the judges to give you a decision , you knock the guy unconscious

While you make very good points, all that "not being another mud slinging politician" will be meaningless if he loses. I'd rather him win dirty than lose clean. He's already shown he's a different kind of politician, just off his background. No one is going to look at Obama negatively if he responds to these attacks. I'm sorry I'm not seeing the ads savaging McCain's flip flops, nor showing him hugging Bush, hell I havent even seen any ads showcasing Obama saying exactly what you're saying. He's relying on people to think the way you do and that's a very risky strategy.

You're making the mistake of thinking the general public sees McCain's attacks as "hitting himself in the head with a hammer on a daily basis". You and I see it that way, again because we're paying attention and have been for a long time, way before this election cycle even began. We are a very small minority. People still have McCain on this pedestal and unless we make a concerted effort to knock him off of it the way he's now doing to Obama, this is not going to go well. People respect a fighter and Obama is not showing that right now. He has to at some point demonstrate that bare knuckle, I aint to be f'd with style or else he's going to get Kerryized. He doesnt need to get dirty, I think that would backfire, but there are ways to absolutely savage McCain that he is just not doing currently. I hope you're right and Im wrong, I really do but this just doesnt smell good currently.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:45 PM
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88. Firstly, I have to take exception to the idea that ...
... Obama "happened to catch the old heavyweight champion of politics (the Clintons) on a bad night." His primary win was not a matter of luck; it was a matter of incredible planning and precision.

I remember all of the discussions here about how Obama should "go after" Hillary - pounce on the Bosnia sniper-fire story, etc. He didn't. And he emerged as the nominee.

While I agree that some of us pay much more attention to politics than others, the fact remains that the soundbytes and images right now, albeit glanced only fleetingly by many, reveal a man who is talking about issues and an opponent who is talking about Britney Spears - and whining like a stuck pig at every opportunity because everybody wants to be that other guy's friend and not his.

Yes, everyone likes a fighter. But right now, they want someone who is fighting for them, not fighting the same old rhetoric being spewed by another rightwing nutjob.

I think Obama is doing just fine - in fact, more than fine.







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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 07:26 PM
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93. .
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Dubiosus Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 04:56 PM
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77. see nancy
now with him nearly asking for off shore drilling your little dream bubble is going to burst like mine
when I was confronted with truth. Takes some time to moan but you should begin.

Here's a little help from the waterboys:

these things you keep
you better throw the away
turn your back
on your soulless days
once you were tethered
now you are free
once you were tethered
now you are free
that was the river
this is the sea


if you're feelin' weary
or you been alone too long
or maybe you been sufferin' from
a few too many
plans that have gone wrong
and you're tryin' to remember
how fine your life used to be
runnin' around banging your drum
like it's 1973
well that was the river
this is the sea


now you say you got trouble
you say you got pain
you say you got nothin' left to believe in
nothin' to hold on to
nothin' but chains
you been scourin' your conscience
and rakin' through your memories
you been scourin' your conscience
and rakin' through your memories
but that was the river
this is the sea


Now I can see you wavering
as you try to decide
you got a war in your head
and it's tearin' you up inside
you're tryin' to make sense
of something that you just don't see
you're tryin' to make sense now
and you know that you once held the key
but that was the river...
this is the sea


Now I hear there's a train
it's comin' down the line
it's yours if you hurry
you got still enough time
you don't need no ticket
and you don't pay no fee
you don't need no ticket
and you don't pay no fee
that was the river
this is the sea


you can watch the video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk469q3-EIc

so sorry, so sorry....

:hug:

kind regards and strength

Dubiosus
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:31 PM
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78. Dismissing ignorance ...
isn't wise.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 05:34 PM
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79. I'll believe it's working when I see that reflected in the polls, Nance.
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 05:34 PM by Occam Bandage
I like the theory, but there's no arguing with the tightening of the race since McCain started his shitfest.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:04 PM
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80. I put as much faith in the polls right now ...
... as I do in the MSM.

None.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:36 PM
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83. Yes, yes yes.
"President Barack Hussein Obama. It has a nice ring to it." Rocks MY world!! :applause:
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:45 PM
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86. The longer I think about it, the more convinced
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 10:48 PM by FKA MNChimpH8R
I become that you are right, Nance. Barack is a different breed of cat than we are used to seeing in American politics. Grampy and his slime merchants are going to fall into the Muhammad Ali trap - the "rope-a-dope" strategy. Ali absorbed a lot of body blows from George Foreman in that fight, but George eventually punched himself out and Ali finished him easily. Obama's war chest allows him luxuries no previous Dem has enjoyed. The Obama braintrust (which actually includes the candidate himself as first among equals, unlike any Repig campaign team) has something up its sleeve. I am anxious to see what it is, and I suspect it will be the equivalent of Bugs Bunny marching Yosemite Sam off the edge of a cliff.

When Obama finally beheads Grampy rhetorically, he won't even feel the scythe.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:45 PM
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87. Brilliant, as always! However, Obama cannot fight by himself!
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 11:48 PM by Liberal_Stalwart71
Here's my generic letter and thread from the other day.

Take action!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS???!?!??!

I don't care what anyone says: the standards are different for black men. Suppose that Obama gets down and dirty; suppose, even, that he went negative, focusing only on McSame's flip-flops or the issues in general? Can't we realize how the media would spin as something negative, something nefarious??

Can't we understand that the recent charge that Obama is "arrogant" and "presumptuous" are code for "he's the quintessential angry black man?"

He can't do this. He needs effective surrogates--preferably the Democratic leadership--to help him fight against these lies and smears!!

WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS?!?!??!??!


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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 05:16 PM
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91. kick
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92. I agree! nt
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