What the McCain campaign would be doing now if Hillary was the nominee

[bluestateguy]

It would be just as bad, though in different ways.

"She's a liar", "She can't be trusted", "She'll say and do anything to satisfy her lust for power".

We'd be taken on a museum tour of the 90's and the old Clinton Wars.

And of course the McCain people would say all kinds of nice little things about Obama to divide us, and how Hillary's campaign "smeared this fine young man". Fox News would be endlessly giving airtime to a few disgruntled Obama voters who planned on staying home or voting for Nader.

Unless we nominated Joe Lieberman or Zell Miller, there is no Democrat on Earth that these people would treat with a scintilla of respect.

[Danieljay]

1. creating a commercial comparing her to Elleanor Roosevelt or the Virgin Mary. n/t

[babylonsister]

2. Thump! Reality strikes again. True that. nt

[highplainsdem]

3. If Hillary were the nominee, Obama would be her running mate, or at the very least would have been

asked. That was clear already during the primaries. She knew the importance of a unity ticket.

And with a Clinton/Obama unity ticket, the McCain campaign would have less luck trying to appeal to Obama supporters.

But what the McCain campaign would be doing most, if Hillary was the nominee:

Crying. Worrying. And wishing that the candidate who consistently polled best against McCain during the primaries hadn't become the presumptive Democratic nominee. Especially since she KNEW she had to unite the party by having Obama on the ticket, if he'd agree. And a united Democratic Party is the GOP's worst nightmare.

[AllentownJake]

19. Who says Obama would want to be VP?

Its a meaningless position. This Obama supporter would be very upset if Obama would have accepted and it and would be actively campaigning against him.

Other than some Hillary supporters who says Hillary wants to be VP?

McCain wanted Hillary. They had their attack plan already written. Right now McCain is only re-rerunning Hillary's strategy and he's doing it worse than she was able to.

[paulk]

21. ask dick cheney how meaningless the VP position is...

christ

some of you people are so disconnected from the real world

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in what alternate fantasy would McCain want to run against the candidate who consistently polled best against him?

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that you would "actively campaign against Obama" if he was VP says a fuck of a lot about your commitment to the Democratic Party.

[AllentownJake]

22. I would not want Obama as VP and Cheney is a one time powerful VP deal

I still would support the fucking ticket if it was Hillary/Big Bird, but I'd rather Obama be a senator than to be put aside in the Vice Presidency. I would be campaigning against Vote Both shit I can tell you that and writing letters for him not to take a spot on the ticket. The office is a waste of space for good talent and few VPs go onto bigger and better things after an 8 year Presidency.

Does anyone believe that either Hillary or Obama would have a powerful VP in the background in an underground bunker half running the country? They wouldn't need it because they can eat a Pretzel without knocking themselves out among other things.

W is a light weight and needs Cheney to hold his jock strap up. Neither Hillary or Obama are lightweights so the comparison to Cheney is meaningless.

[PBS Poll-435]

4. Closing up their remaining offices...

Blame their failing campaign on the "Bush Economy."

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

5. This sort of thread is rather offensive

It invites analysis of what would be happening if Clinton were the nominee in a forum where such analysis is not allowed to be even-handed.

Put another way, your post says, "it would be the same."

Someone might vigorously disagree with the OP and feel that it wouldn't be the same at all, but be restrained from saying so by the zampolits or her own desire for comity.

Just saying.

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[Upton]

7. At least the Clintons would be fighting back

Right now Obama is making a 71 year old geezer look like the alpha male in this contest. Unless the Obama campaign goes on the attack we're in big trouble one more time.

[Chloroplast]

10. How do you figure that?

I look at McCain's ads and see a man trying not to implode. Obama, instead of stooping to McCain's level, has turned this into a game of cat and mouse where he's Jerry and McCain is Tom. We'll see how the negativity helps him in the long run. Let's not forget: the GOP isn't just made up of WASPs; there are people that are first generation American and naturalized citizens. People that are also seeing the ads and wondering if John McCain is really wiling to act on behalf of every American and not just those that look like him. That seed of doubt, once planted, is going to show them the change Obama advocates can lead to a stronger, more unified country. Let Barack continue to take the high road.

[Upton]

11. Like it or not negative campaigning works

has nothing been learned from the last two elections? Kerry took the high road look where that got him. The only Democrat in recent times who gave as good as he got was Bill Clinton, is it any coincidence that he was the last POTUS from our party?

I want to see the Republicans squirm for a change, I want the Obama campaign to stop playing defense and go on the attack. I sincerely hope I'm proved wrong but it seems to me that sitting back and taking that high road is a sure recipe for another disaster.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Negative campaigning at this intensity 95 days before the election

doesn't work. Timing is everything. The timing on this stinks. McCain is only building up his negatives. Just watch.

[Median Democrat]

16. You Assume That Big Media Is Fair Again

1. If Hillary Clinton ran negative attack ads on John McCain, do you really think that Fox News would play them on endless loop? No.

2. If Hillary Clinton held press conference and rallies attacking John McCain, would Big Media televise it? No. Kerry had rallies attacking Bush, but a lot of it went uncovered by Big Media.

The problem with a negative attack ad battle fought through the media is that the GOP holds a tremendous advantage because Big Media is biased. Even anti-Democraric 527s get playtime, as the Swiftboat veterans had their ads played in virtual endless loop, while groups like Moveon.org got hardly any play. To a large extent, this is dictated by Fox News, which runs the ads again and again, which forces other news organizations to respond to these stories. Now, if Fox were trying to make money, they would not do this, because that is free national airplay of a paid political advertisement. However, Fox has a larger prize in mind, GOP control of the FCC, which allows News Corp to acquired the WSJ, New York Post, and Direct TV.

Big Media is not fair. Hillary would need to come up with a stategy that does not rely on Big Media for success.

1. Big Media is becoming bigger:

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2. So, basically five companies control what we see and hear, therefore what we think:

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[AllentownJake]

18. and evertime she did the narrative would be

Hillary slimes poor John McCain again what a giant bitch....Obama was fighting back and McCain called him a race baiter.

The idea isn't to slime Obama its to try to bring him to McCain's level so he's just another politian and if your electing just another politian...I remember the PA primary thank you very much. Its a damned if you do damned if you don't type of thing for a democrat.

[tyedyeto]

12. She's not, so why this thread? n/t

[blondeatlast]

14. How many thesaurus entries are there for the slang use of "bitch?"

That's a pretty good indication where we'd be since we've seen every possible way they can use "uppirty" without acually saying it...

Very, very good point!

[Thrill]

15. No they already had the Hillary is Gay bullshit ready

[AllentownJake]

17. They would attack Traitor Joe and Zell too

This isn't about Obama. If the person who is running has a D behind their name they attack.

Remember Bill Clinton had remarkably moderated most of his stances on issues in 1996 and yet they still impeached him in him in 1998.

[RoyGBiv]

20. And ... ?

I don't get your point.

[Barack_America]

23. Attacking Bill.

Sorry, but I still see his Presidential scandals and post-Presidential business dealings as her greatest weakness.