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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 07:36 PM
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Who here in DU are going to be affected by the Overtime Pay....
...Fair Labor Law revisions? Here is the New York Times Article:

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August 23, 2004
Controversial Overtime Rules Take Effect
By STEVEN GREENHOUSE

he Bush administration's new overtime rules go into effect today, but the Kerry campaign has already begun attacking the overhauled regulations, saying they will hurt millions of American workers.

Urging President Bush to scrap the rules, the Kerry campaign and organized labor say the regulations will exempt up to six million additional workers from receiving overtime pay by redefining which workers qualify for time-and-a-half pay when they work more than 40 hours. But the administration asserts that no more than 107,000 workers will lose their eligibility, while 1.3 million workers will gain the right to overtime.

In essence, the hundreds of pages of new rules redefine the criteria for which administrative, professional and managerial workers qualify for overtime, among them nurses, chefs, pharmacists, funeral directors, claims adjusters and restaurant managers.

Senator John Edwards, the Democratic vice-presidential candidate, devoted his political party's weekly radio address on Saturday to assailing the new rules, making clear that the Democrats view them as an issue to exploit when many Americans are worried about the economy and stagnating wages.

"Why would anyone want to take overtime pay away from as many as six million Americans at a time when they need that money the most?" Mr. Edwards said. "And why would anyone support this new rule which could mean a pay cut for millions of Americans who have already seen their real wages drop again this year?"

That follows attacks by Senator John Kerry, the Democratic presidential nominee, who said last month, "The new overtime regulations represent a shameful assault on the paychecks of hard-working Americans at a time when they are already putting in more hours, paying more for everyday costs and saving less than ever before."

To turn up the volume on the issue, the A.F.L.-C.I.O. says it will hold a news conference today and will distribute several million fliers saying Mr. Bush has given its corporate friends a gift that will cut the paychecks of millions of Americans.

The administration asserts that the new regulations are needed to replace vague, outmoded rules that have spurred many lawsuits as employers and employees tussle over which workers are exempt and which are not. The administration argues that the overtime rules are clearer, will be easier to enforce and will reduce expensive litigation that hurts business and the economy.

"We view this as a step in the right direction for bringing clarity and certainty to this area of the law so there can be greater compliance," said Alfred Robinson, director of the Labor Department's wage and hour division. "And that's good for employers and employees. I'd rather focus on that than the spin and the politics."

Critics of the new rules say they are another example of the Bush administration's taking regulatory steps that please businesses, which have lobbied for years to revamp the overtime regulations.

The Economic Policy Institute, a liberal research group, has issued a report, which many Democrats have relied on, concluding that the rules will exempt about six million workers from overtime coverage. Among those, the institute said, are 1.4 million low-level salaried supervisors, 130,000 chefs and sous-chefs and 900,000 workers with graduate or college degrees who will now be considered professional employees.

The administration has accused the institute and the A.F.L.-C.I.O. of engaging in a partisan campaign of misinformation on the issue.

Senator Tom Harkin, an Iowa Democrat who has failed in repeated attempts to win passage of a bill to roll back the rules, said he would introduce new legislation to try again.

"This strikes right at the heart of a fundamental labor right," Mr. Harkin said. "These vague regulations will hurt rather than help Americans with their overtime pay, while the administration's public posture is all smiles and happy talk."

Michael Eastman, director of labor law policy at the United States Chamber of Commerce, said companies were not seizing on the new rules to try to deny overtime pay to many workers. He praised the administration's efforts, saying the regulations sorely needed to be overhauled.

"It's a very easy issue to demagogue and to frighten people with claims that the worst will happen," Mr. Eastman said. "It's taken a lot of courage for this administration to take this kind of unwarranted criticism from labor unions and other opponents.''

Overtime, which is governed by the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, is a complicated area of law. Senior managers do not qualify for overtime pay when they work more than 40 hours, but the more difficult questions involve whether low-level, salaried supervisors are to be viewed as managers who do not qualify for overtime or as workers who do.

The new rules set forth criteria, like what responsibilities supervisors have and whether they have the power to hire and fire, to determine who is eligible.

The rules largely exempt workers earning more than $100,000 from overtime pay, although those with union contracts calling for overtime will continue to be eligible.

Three former Labor Department officials under President Bill Clinton and the first President Bush concluded in a report that the regulations would hurt American workers. The A.F.L.-C.I.O. financed their study, but the three authors, led by John Fraser, former director of the wage and hour division, insisted that they were independent.

Mr. Fraser called the rules "a very big deal." Their report said that but for a provision involving very low-paid supervisors, every change the Labor Department made had expanded the reach and scope of rules that exempted workers from overtime coverage.

In a rebuttal, the Labor Department has said the studies concluding that six million more workers would be exempt were based on faulty assumptions and partisan thinking.


<link> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/23/politics/23overtime.html?th

I'm thinking that many more workers than the six million suggested by the study will be impacted by these new rules. For example, workers who would have received time and a half for hours worked over 40 could easily be bumped to a low level supervisory job that might result in a marginal increase in pay, but with added responsibilities that require more than 40 hours to complete. At most small businesses, supervisors are expected to put in longer hours and are often intimidated into not reporting those extra hours on their time sheets. So not only do low level supervisors loose overtime pay, they often end up working over the normal 40 hours and don't get paid at all for such work. If the complain about their treatment, they get a pink slip and the company finds someone else to do take over the job. Rstaurant employees are really going to feel the brunt of thse new rules as are medical nurses, office employees, etc. anyone who worked to get a college degree can now be considered a "professional" and exempted from overtime pay. Many other employees will be laid off and re-hired as self-employeed subcontractors, totally exempted from benefits. This is a giant step backwards for labor and again it is the republican party and BushCo in bed with corporations that rammed this legislation through.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 07:38 PM
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1. Me......
Nursing is going to get screwed.....
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 07:42 PM
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3. Will you quit and go into private practice?
That's what I've heard a lot of nurses have already done to get away from the insane hours you have to work.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 07:48 PM
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5. I'm still working on my Masters/Nurse Practitioner's
Edited on Mon Aug-23-04 07:48 PM by liberalnurse
but....I plan on working contracts.....thru travel nurses. I can do a contract locally! There, you negotiate wages and overtime! They really need critical cares nurses so thats what I do now. It's not my favorite but until I'm done with school.....it will do fine.


My goal is to practice a more Community Health/Family Practice.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 07:55 PM
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7. Here is one of many articles over the past year
Edited on Mon Aug-23-04 08:10 PM by liberalnurse
as to how nursing has been trying to address this......

http://nursingworld.org/pressrel/2004/pr0420.htm

Additionally:


read here:

http://vocusgr.vocus.com/grconvert1/webpub/ana/ProfileIssue.asp?IssueID=3726|House&XSL=ProfileIssue&hidLegislatorIDs=

Part 541 of the new rule redefines which workers are categorized as salaried professionals, administrative managers, and executives, and, therefore, exempt from federal overtime protections.



A worker can be exempted from overtime protections under one of these categories if he or she meets a two-pronged test:

Duties: her/his qualifications and duties must meet the standards outlined in the regulations;
Salary: and s/he must be paid on a salary basis an amount more than $455 per week.
Although the Department of Labor correctly asserts that the status of salaried registered nurses remains unchanged under this new rule, it ignores the fact that most registered nurses are paid on an hourly basis. Registered nurses have long met the “duties test” to be considered learned professionals; however, because most registered nurses are paid on an hourly basis, they do not meet the second prong of the existing rules, i.e., the salary component, and therefore are entitled to overtime compensation.



While the “duties test” has not changed, the definition of a salaried employee has been altered to allow salaried compensation to be calculated on an hourly or a shift basis, on top of a guaranteed minimum. This creates a degree of legal ambiguity that employers may try to exploit. Creating doubt about registered nurses' right to overtime pay threatens ongoing efforts to retain and recruit nurses - particularly in a time when mandatory overtime is a common practice and RNs are in short supply.

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 07:41 PM
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2. I'm waiting to hear this too. It's too soon to know.
It's going to take a few weeks, or months for most employers to figure out just what they can get away with. I can sure see millions affected though.

Anybody know how much a McDonalds Mgr or assistant Mgr makes per year, and if they are now earning OT?

The other area I'm afraid is going to be hurt is the registered nurse. If these folks don't get their OT, they'll all quit and go into private care. Wait till that one hits shrub in the.....
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 07:43 PM
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4. I think it effects me
I'm the office manager of a small business, and as such I think my boss would call me a 'supervisor' even though there is no one to supervise, as I do all the bookwork-the only other two employees do pest work. So far whenever Ive worked over 40 hours, I come in or leave early another time to make up for it.
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readmylips Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 07:52 PM
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6. My neighbor, Police Officer...
My neighbor always volunteered for all the extra jobs in his precints because of the overtime pay. Not all police earn the high salary that New York police earn. He no longer has to volunteer, overtime will be mandatory and the overtime pay is scrapped. He's in the middle of building his home and is he pissed!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 07:56 PM
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8. I heard Police, Firefighters, and EMT's all will get the OT.
Those professions are guaranteed OT no matter how much they make. I heard this on every show I've watched.
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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 07:56 PM
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9. Illinois workers are protected.
Gov. Blagojevich signed a bill a few months ago that protects IL workers from this mess that the evil White House has unleashed. Something even better, is the letter that Blag sent to Elaine Chao that lays out for her that Illinois workers are protected from this mess and that the federal laws have NO sway in Illinois.

I saw the letter in a Word document today, but have not found it on line. When I do, I will post it--it is awesome and it is one of the best "get stuffed" letters I've seen in a long time.

Blag has been on a roll of late between this letter in support of overtime and his announcement about the state of Illinois helping its citizens import prescription drugs from outside the US.

Gotta love that Dem Gov with a Dem Senate and House behind him!!!!


Laura
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 10:48 PM
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12. Wisconsin also won't be effected
Edited on Mon Aug-23-04 10:48 PM by Massacure
IIRC there are 18 states that aren't using the federal rules.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 08:06 PM
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10. I dont have to worry about being affected ...
I have no job ....
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 10:44 PM
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11. I wish I knew how to set up a poll on DU.....
...I would like to get a percentage count of who in what occupations feel they will be affected. You know $455 a week, which works out to $23,660.00 per year, is not a lot of money these days to be forfeiting overtime pay to employers who look only at their bottom lines and have no concern about taking care of their employees. If you are working a second job to make ends meet and your employers keeps demanding overtime hours at straight pay, if you don't comply you'll get passed over in a heartbeat. This ought to be another election domestic issue.
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CaTeacher Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 10:50 PM
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13. I know people being impacted
but only in a postive way. Would love to hear more stories from those that will be negatively impacted.
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 10:52 PM
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14. If B$$$co succeeds we all will.
Even a limited success will exert downward pressue on all workers to remain "competitive".
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 10:54 PM
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15. I work 100% commision, have not had a salary or hourly job in 11 years
but I feel sorry for those who do who will be affected, this leaves the door open for abuse
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-23-04 10:58 PM
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16. Me also
Another nurse here, just graduated. (I've been a L.P.N. for years, just got my R.N.) Our school made it very clear that these laws will be affecting nursing, and the time to get active is now.
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American liberal Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 12:26 AM
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17. I don't get it...
There's a national shortage of nurses. Everybody knows this. and yet the govt is willing to further jeopardize an already unstable system to save corps. a few more bucks? It does not make any sense to me.

Personally, I think this new policy is another nail in Bushie's coffin.

And, BTW, my condolences go out to all those expected 6 million workers who are getting shafted. Talk about a government out of step with its constituents. Corporations don't vote. People do.

Peace,
AL
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